Midway Tuning: Lotus Exige (11R+Wing)

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l0tus_tunnen

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OK. After driving about 60% of the cars in this game, I have decided that the Lotus Elise "series" are among my favorites. Besides being (in my opinion) the most beautiful vehicles out there, I believe with proper tuning, they can out handle ALL of their class competition, and MOST others.

There is just 1 problem that i'm putting out to any "pro" tuners out there...

I NEED HELP!!!

On top of numerous trial and error sessions conducted by me, and Duck's published tuning setup (sorry Duck :)), I am getting nowhere...

I would LOVE to get like 1:07 or below on Midfield Normal using ANY Lotus Elise

Can anyone help solve my problem?!?!?
 
Practice, practice, practice! Anything is possible, even without a perfect setup.

Check out the Tuning Competition's Week that used the Lotus Elise, its archives can be found by a quick search (which I shan't conduct at the moment, due to heavy connection and processor use right now) - the winning setup from that might help you with a bit of gearing adjustment for Midfield.

However, as I said, practicing driving the car is the best way by far to improve your time. Oh, and turn off all the driving aids :)

DE
 
Polyphony made a small mistake with the elises: The 111S is the 111R (and vice versa), and there is no Exige in the game.
 
When Gran Turismo 4 came out the Exige either didn't exist yet at all. Or was still being designed and without a production model either Lotus or the game designers didnt want it.
 
couple off things...

First off, "Dark Elite", thanx for that advice and i will get right on it. I have been driving the elise for a long, long time but it seems with THAT SPECIFIC CAR, you think you've got it all figured out and then it develops a new quirky habit. As for driving aids 100% off, well, i guess i'm nowhere near as skilled as an a-spec driver as the rest of u guys cuz' the 277hp that thing pumps out is hard to control (for me at least).

Next, when i wrote "Lotus Exige" in the title i may have mislead some that I meant that I had acquired an Exige in the game, however, I only meant that by putting a wing on a 111R, from the putside it sorta looks like an Exige.

(Yes, I know an Exige has more to it than a wing to differentiate it from an Elise)

I am confident my quest for the "ULTIMATE" Elise, through numerous test runs and the help of this wonderful GT4 community, will be attained in the near future!

Good Driving to all and if anyone makes any progress that they or I'd like to share...

PLEASE POST IT HERE!!
 
l0tus_tunnen
t seems with THAT SPECIFIC CAR, you think you've got it all figured out and then it develops a new quirky habit.
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Don't you love Lotus for that? :D

By the way, 05GT05, it would be very easy to call the 'Motorsports Elise' from the Nineties the first Exige - it was certainly the inspiration for the current model. Lightweighting an Elise and putting a wing on it in the game is following in Lotus' footsteps for making an Exige anyway ;)

DE
 
Dark Elite
Don't you love Lotus for that? :D

By the way, 05GT05, it would be very easy to call the 'Motorsports Elise' from the Nineties the first Exige - it was certainly the inspiration for the current model. Lightweighting an Elise and putting a wing on it in the game is following in Lotus' footsteps for making an Exige anyway ;)

DE
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Good point.
 
The interesting facts are revealed by a quick peek at Lotus' website...

Model - Mass / Engine / Transmission / Power Output
Elise S - 860kg / 1ZZ-FE / C56 / 134bhp
Elise R - 860kg / 2ZZ-GE / C64 / 189bhp

Exige - 875kg / 2ZZ-GE / C64 / 189bhp
Exige S - 935kg / 2ZZ-GE / C64 / 218bhp

Well... The Exige is certainly heavier than the Elise, but it is lightweighted from the Elise. One can only assume that the weight has been added back again through power or drivetrain enhancements, and the aerodynamic pack (possibly also cooling and ventilation, although there isn't much of that anyway).

DE
 
Ahhh I see... So what you are saying is this...

if a base Elise model is tipping the scales at 865 kg, when Lotus produces the Exige counterpart it is actually weighing in at lets say 815 kg. Then, when the "power and drivetrain enhancements" are made to it, the final curb weight comes out to be 890 kg..... (I think?)

*Note these figures where thought up for explanatory purposes only
 
The figures are all above :P

Yes, effectively, although I don't think the reduction in weight before modifications would be that great - after all, there's not much you can strip out of the Elise anyway.

DE
 
Dark Elite
The figures are all above :P

Yes, effectively, although I don't think the reduction in weight before modifications would be that great - after all, there's not much you can strip out of the Elise anyway.

DE
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Not much. No there is nothing. Littlerally if you look at the intirior it looks somewhat like a race car except for the center council. Especially the Exige.
 
05GT05
Not much. No there is nothing. Littlerally if you look at the intirior it looks somewhat like a race car except for the center council. Especially the Exige.
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Erm... We are talking about the Elise, being lightweighted to the Exige, so if the Elise has nothing in it, how can the Exige look more like a race car? Your post totally and completely contradicts itself.

Having been in both, I can tell you that the Exige is considerably more stripped-out.

And that would be 'literally', 'interior' and 'centre console'.

DE
 
OK, i have been practicing with the 111R and I am getting significantly better at predicting the vehicles every move, however, I still can't manage to get the TC below 2 and the stability control below 4. the car is just too unstable and if i make too sudden a move the car ends up going into a rhythmic out of control sidewinded fury! It must be my settings bu t i dont no where to start. should i reduce camber? its at like 2.6 front and 1.2 back, but no, that won't cause it. downforce is at 25 F 30 R maybe if i twealk those settings or maybe even toe settings. bahh idk anymore

EDIT: got the chance to visit local "specialty" car dealership and sit in an Elise.
Definitely my next car (w/ sport pack) I have my mind set on it. the guy tried to convince me it just might be the worst daily driver you can buy, but I didn't bother telling him about my experiences with GT4, a 22 yr old and GT4 might not make me seem serious enough, lol
 
Turn off the AIDS, damn it! Your time will improve, that I guarantee you. That is, if you can drive the thing at all.. :sly:

The Westfield SEight is the worst daily driver you can buy, followed by the latest Caterham Seven - how very intelligent to put the huge exhaust piping on the driver's side of the car - and then, after other kits cars, the Exige. The Elise is not far down the list. As a second car, sure. As a track day car, even the Exige is easily excusable. But as your one and only car? As brilliant as it is to drive, come a hot summer's day or a shopping trip you may regret it. At least get the Touring Pack if it's going to be your only car :)

DE
 
I think i'll manage with the sports pack, and did i mention the A/C and radio delete? After all, they made the removable hard top for something...

wtf, car is NOT stable >90mph w/o aids!!! I can drive the damn thing well maybe i have wrong equpiment and/or settings!
 
It´s a mid engined car, and has to be set up like one.
From the top of my head:
Rideheight: 80 to 85 front and back
Springs:front 7.5 back 9.0
damper bounce: 2/2
Rebound: 3/4
Camber: 1.5/1.0
Toe:0/2
Stabilizers: 3/3

Brake Balance: 6/7

LSD: 15/30/20 (guestimation)

And use a wing! And NO aids!
 
Dark Elite
Erm... We are talking about the Elise, being lightweighted to the Exige, so if the Elise has nothing in it, how can the Exige look more like a race car? Your post totally and completely contradicts itself.

Having been in both, I can tell you that the Exige is considerably more stripped-out.

And that would be 'literally', 'interior' and 'centre console'.

DE
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Your right and I am sorry I wrote that post very quickly. I definatly worded it wrong that is what I meant to say.
 
l0tus_tunnen
wtf, car is NOT stable >90mph w/o aids!!! I can drive the damn thing well maybe i have wrong equpiment and/or settings!
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Then you have destroyed the setup in some way. Use default settings for all of the parts you've fitted, and then add full downforce front and rear, and you should have no stability issues.

OK, perhaps not none, remembering how my VX220 used to handle with 320bhp... Utterly lethal, but unbelievably fast point-to-point when you're used to it. Practice is the single most important thing with MR cars!

I won't directly recommend Team666's setup, as I haven't tried it, but give it a go and see what happens.

DE
 
OK. here it goes! I´ve tested The Elise 111R and the Motorsport Elise, and this is what I´ve come up with:
The 111R did a 1.07:944 with the following setup:
R5 tyres
All best parts, excluding stiffness
oilchange
wing - all this gave me 331bhp

Brake balance (F/R): 6/7

Springs: 7.5/9.0
Rideheight: 86/86
Damper Bounce: 2/2
Damper Rebound: 3/4
Camber: 1.5/1.0
Toe: 0/2
Stabilizers: 3/3

Gears
Auto: 12

Downforce: 24/30

LSD: 15/30/20

The Motorsport Elise turned out more than a second faster, with a best session time of 1.06:677. This is what I used:
R5 tyre
All the best parts, incl. stiffness
oilchange
wing - 350bhp

Brake balance: 6/7

Springs: 8.5/9.5
Rideheight: 80/80
Damper Bounce: 2/2
Damper Rebound: 3/4
Camber: 2.5/1.5
Toe: -1/2
Stabilizers: 3/4

Gears
Auto: 11

Downforce: 30/35

LSD: 30/45/25

No driving aids on either car.

There is of course room for improvement, so feel free to experiment!
 
Team666 beat me to it but still had a go myself anyways

Using the motorsport Elise i've managed a 1'05:981



Car has best of everything including stiffness, wing and stage 3 weight reduction - and has 350bhp

I don't claim to be good at setups but this is what i've used:

Spring rate: 9.0/9.4
Ride Height: 91/91
Damper (bounce): 3/2
Damper (rebound): 6/6
Camber angle: 3.0/2.0
Toe angle: 0/2
Stabiliser: 4/3

Brake Balance: (never quite got the nack of this bit so left as default)

Transmission: auto settings 11

No driving aids

Downforce: 30/35

LSD: 25/40/30

I'm pretty sure there's more to come from this. I've had trouble in the turn just after goin under the first bridge. Can't keep the back inline and end up having to drift round the first part of that corner.
 
Excellent job guys! I appreciate the fact that many are putting in some real effort on this. I will Definitely try out those 2 setups and see how they drive for me. I can't believe NO AIDS.... lol

these couple o weeks i've been perfecting a setup with the Lotus Elise Type 72 and I can't wait for you guys to check it out and tell me what u think. im trying to do this with NO AIDS so it would help if i knew what i was doing with the lsd, hahah.
 
l0tus_tunnen
btw Team666,

when u say EXCLUDING stiffness do u mean excluding rollcage? or excluding high spring rates? or excluding anti-roll bar settings past 4? or am i a retard?



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I´m talking about the rollcage, yes! NO rollcage for the 111R!
 
Muahaha this stuff is fun to do. I did a 1.05.686.
I used 20-25 Downforce on my settings though so i'm sure it can be done alot faster with full downforce. I began downforce at 14 18, and laptimes kept decreasing when I pushed the downforce up.
Gosh this freakin thing handles like a Formula 1 car man. Never felt going this fast in any car on Midfield.

The key difference in my settings is the springrate wich I got into the 14-16'ths. And 7-8 brake balance since it's on R5 tyres anyways.
This car is very sickly twitchy though, if there's a bit of unbalance. But I got a DFP so a quick sudden jerk gets it straight again. It's all over in a millisecond though. Hehe gosh do I love this car! 👍:D
And I got a screenie on my mobile of it, but well...I'll upload that one later too cause I really am in a hurry right now. Hehe cya this evening :P

BTW nice taste you got l0tus ;)

 
BTW nice taste you got l0tus:)
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Glad other people share my passion for this car.
hey post all your final settings and I will see if I can
get those times...

Team666, NO ROLLCAGE? i shaved my lap times a few milliseconds WITH rollcage. A big problem with this car that I have mentioned before and so have others is that it is very unpredictable/twitchy/unstable into the higher speeds and I need all the grip I can get...

Disregard the lower portion of my post as a rollcage adds NO ADDITIONAL GRIP to a vehicle and increases high speed instability therefore it makes no sense and contradicts itself.
 
Ahh, 1 other question to all


NA or Turbo Tuning?

w/ turbo i get more speed on the straights/overall however with NA i get invaluable low rpm kick

you guys will all probably say go w/ turbo...
 
I went with the turbo for the additional power. And since you only get a stage 3 turbo, lag is not much of an issue either. Simply keep your revs up at all times!

As for the rollcage: The Elise is a hugely stiff car as it is, and a rollcage can simply destroy whatever dynamics the chassis may have. This is true for just about all racecars and high performance sportscars in GT4.
One has to experiment to know wich cars benefit , and wich don´t, that´s the only way to know.
I usually leave it alone though.

Oh, and the rollcage can actually affect your grip! The stiffer your chassis gets, the more precise you have to be with the suspension setup. The "tolarence-window" (in where your setup has effect. Take springs for an example: range 3.0-20.0, effective window w/o rollcage ex. 5.5-15.5, and with rollcage ex. 7.0-14.0) becomes smaller.
 

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