Motorbikes in Forza Motorsport?

[ctdc67]

Why not "virtually"

 

[Morbid65]

Why not "virtually"
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Pretty sure we have been over several reasons why not when you have posted this silly idea in the past.

 

[ctdc67]

There are no good reasons for not adding motorcycles into FM but if it isn't something you are interested in that is your silly opinion.

 

[McLaren]

If the franchise is trying to buckle down on being more motorsport focused where motorcycles & cars don't interact in a professional setting, motorcycles are definitely not making their debut in the franchise after the amount of "silly"/fun/obscure/etc. vehicles T10 has had in previous games.

 

[FordGTGuy]

If motorcycles were to be added to Forza, it would make far more sense for it to happen in Horizon first; if not in Horizon exclusively.

 

[-Fred-]

Motorcycles and cars have very different driving dynamics that would require different physics for both type of vehicles. Games like The Crew and GTA are able to mix them up because they disregard physics anyway.

 

[SestoScudo]

Concept of Motorcycles vs Cars was done in PGR4 all I remember was the constant complaints of motorbikes getting punted off despite the buff and motorcycles getting op still did not stop the complaints.

People using cars easily took corners even if took motorbike users out.

I dont think it will work unless T10 does an expansion or a big update akin to Driveclub Bikes which its dedicated to bikes only.

 

[meganinja]

There are no good reasons for not adding motorcycles into FM but if it isn't something you are interested in that is your silly opinion.

I dont know why people want add motorbikes so much on Horizon and Motorsport if the games are still trying to perfect tha good sim-cade car driving....

 

[whannel]

The physics of the bikes in FH5 seemed a bit off, maybe why they never let us ride them, or fly the planes that were all over the shop. I never tried a bike on the Motorfest beta, but planes felt as good as MSFS to me. It's the drones and helicopters I want to see in games, to give us a challenge in (video) camera modes.

 

[Morbid65]

PGR4 showed the 2 can't co-exist in the same race, so better off not bothering and just leave them to a dedicated motorcycle game. I will admit though, I was in some hilarious races online in PGR4 where people were trying to ride bikes against the cars and it was a lot of fun... but it definitely was not good. A lot of boasting about how "real men ride" and then those real men screaming their heads off when some guy in an Enzo punts them into turn 1.

Besides the physics issues for how the vehicles handle differently though, there are also issues with how the game works with collisions. On the Horizon side, crashing through guardrails, small trees, fences and so on wouldn't mesh well with motorcycles. Whether in Motorsport or Horizon, they would have to have drivers falling off from collisions, which I'm not sure how the kid friendly, extra safe first party title would do with bodies flopping down the road and getting run over by other motorcycles and stuff.

Other motorcycle games exist and they aren't that popular really, so hopefully this is something we will never see T10/PG bother with. Focus on circuit racing with cars, there is plenty of content and depth for that without shoehorning other things in that will likely never be more than a gimmick/novelty.

The physics of the bikes in FH5 seemed a bit off, maybe why they never let us ride them, or fly the planes that were all over the shop. I never tried a bike on the Motorfest beta, but planes felt as good as MSFS to me. It's the drones and helicopters I want to see in games, to give us a challenge in (video) camera modes.

I think the motorcycles looked off because they weren't actual physics objects, you could ram them and nothing happens, like many of the opponent things in the Showcase events.

 

[PJTierney]

I think the motorcycles looked off because they weren't actual physics objects, you could ram them and nothing happens, like many of the opponent things in the Showcase events.

Yup, they’re nothing more than props on a preset path.

 

[skazz]

Thankfully you can get your bike fix in The Crew 2 and the forthcoming The Crew Motorfest.

 

[R55NA]

Why not add bikes. I am only interested in cars today because of the games I played in my youth. I never had any interest in bikes, and still dont, but maybe if they add them into a game, you start to appreciate the 2 wheelers a bit more?

 

[UKMikey]

Why not add bikes. I am only interested in cars today because of the games I played in my youth. I never had any interest in bikes, and still dont, but maybe if they add them into a game, you start to appreciate the 2 wheelers a bit more?

Add them into their own game maybe. The Ride series is a good example. In Motorsport they'd just be punted off the road as @Morbid65 has pointed out multiple times or would be restricted to their own events making their inclusion next to pointless in a narrowly focused game like FM is supposed to be now.

 

[AttackDickie]

I would rather see some rally stages in FM before bikes. Although PGR4 was fun.

 

[Morbid65]

Why not add bikes.

This was answered pretty generally above. Physics complications, incompatibility with cars, bad imagery for a typically very "safe" brand (we can't even have Super Sport logos on our old Chevs, pretty sure they don't want us seeing ragdolled riders ran over on the back straight at Long Beach), dividing up focus (didn't the series recently face a lot of criticism for lack of focus?).

Would also dilute DLC as well, and people who want more cars would be disappointed when new content is motorcycle oriented, and vice-versa, meaning both "sides" would likely be left disappointed with new content... And they already have a hard enough time pleasing everyone with just adding cars to the game.

Some of the same arguments made against adding rally stuff really. Shoehorning more elements in requires diverting resources away from the "bread and butter" of the series and, technically-speaking, complicates it further meaning potentially more bugs and areas that don't get developed further/deeper.

 

[Stang616]

Why not add bikes. I am only interested in cars today because of the games I played in my youth. I never had any interest in bikes, and still dont, but maybe if they add them into a game, you start to appreciate the 2 wheelers a bit more?

There are several Motorcycle sims out there. Ride and RIMS are the two that come to mind. Ride, from my experience, is pretty close to Forza but with bikes.

 

[meganinja]

Ride, from my experience, is pretty close to Forza but with bikes.

can confirm

 

[BOK]

There’s a zero % chance there will be bikes in Motorsport, let’s move on to Motorsport related topics

 

[Stupornaut]

Another point against bikes: imagine the people who are dedicated wheel users, especially the people who have rigs they've put a lot of money into in order to get as authentic an experience replicating driving an actual car as possible, and asking them to try and pretend that setup is even remotely suitable for motorbikes. (I don't even know if there's a dedicated-enough playerbase for motorbike sims that there's an equivalent "handlebars" sim setup, much less the '80s arcade 'Hang-On'-style replicas you actually lean on.)

 

[ctdc67]

T10 can add anything they want into the game. Trucks, three wheeled cars, Hotwheels(lol) and more odd ball vehicles. You can’t argue that motorcycle aren’t made for the tracks…..

 

[UKMikey]

I'm glad this was split off into a different thread. It doesn't sound like the case against bikes has changed...

Time for motorcycle's

The most fitting update to this game. The best way to add variety.Be the first Simulation style game to have both cars and motorcycle's.

www.gtplanet.net

... from last time this was brought up, though.

T10 can add anything they want into the game. Trucks, three wheeled cars, Hotwheels(lol) and more odd ball vehicles.

What they want, not what you want. Probably just as well for most of us as their priorities seem to be different from yours judging by this post.

I wish I was in charge because I don’t care much about night racing, rain or time cycles. Give me a sunny day and 40 locations and I’ll do my sleeping at night. I am happy for the fans that this works for though.

Seems like taking a sharp corner at speed sends the rider flying. And that's even without adding cars into the mix.

 

[McLaren]

T10 can add anything they want into the game. Trucks, three wheeled cars, Hotwheels(lol) and more odd ball vehicles. You can’t argue that motorcycle aren’t made for the tracks…..

No one has argued they aren't made for tracks.

But, professional motorsports don't mix the two & T10's claim for FM2023 is that they're focusing on a more motorsport-focused aspect which would rule them out. Yes, T10 has added those oddball vehicles, but if bikes weren't added during the times they were, then it is highly unlikely they will be added this time as those oddball vehicles are not being added to the new game, either.

 

[SestoScudo]

It took quite a while for T10 to add open wheelers into Forza Motorsport.

Adding motorbikes will just add more complications.

 

[GBalao888]

Wishful thinking. Adding motorcycles to just about any Forza in particular, whether it's Motorsport or Horizon, is like wishing for pigs to fly.

 

[SU_Tempest]

There are no good reasons for not adding motorcycles into FM but if it isn't something you are interested in that is your silly opinion.
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I can think of one. There isn't, to my knowledge, any kind of motorsport division or class that mixes bikes and cars. Besides the safety concerns that would cause in real life, I genuinely don't see the point in a game like Forza Motorsport. Bike physics are very different from cars, racing a bike requires different racing lines (not the least because a bike doesn't get downforce in the corners).

It already is difficult to ensure fairness between race cars in real life, even in tightly regulated series like Formula One, NASCAR, or anything with BoP. It's even more difficult to do that in a game like Forza, where strict car classes are going to be eschewed in favor of more diverse cars and a performance index system. Introducing motorcycles to the mix, given their extremely different handling characteristics, is going to throw even more fairness issues.

And that doesn't get into what happens when you put both types of vehicles on the same track, particularly in the case of crashes. How should the game even handle that in a way that isn't going to feel completely arbitrary?

Yeah of course Turn 10 ""can"" include bikes. They can also include racing horses and flying saucers if they so choose. That doesn't mean they should. The only thing that's silly here is thinking there are "no good reasons for not adding motorcycles."

Now, should Turn 10 make its own bike-themed game? A bike equivalent to Forza? That's a much more interesting question... (the answer is yes)

 

[Bogie 19th]

Why not "virtually"
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[UKMikey]

Wishful thinking. Adding motorcycles to just about any Forza in particular, whether it's Motorsport or Horizon, is like wishing for pigs to fly.

It's the riders that'd be doing the flying if the game featured in my previous post is anything to go by.

 

[omgitsbees]

No, this continues to be a really dumb request that people ask for in racing sims. It doesn't make any sense, and no one outside of a very tiny niche group wants it because reasons. Game devs are not going to implement it for a hundred different technical and licensing issues. There are a few motorcycle racing games that are officially licensed and available to play instead.

 

[UKMikey]

Hang-On™, I know how they can even up the odds between cars and motorcycles on the same track and make the OP happy. How about introducing fighting game elements like karate kicks and punches and the use of weapons like tyre irons and chain whips to fight back? They could even give it a groovy Rob Hubbard soundtrack.