MR cars

well, most have trunks in the front, and some have both a front trunk and a small rear trunk. 40/60 is because, while it's MR, the engine is place inbetween the front and rear wheels, not directly over the rear wheels. So it's still putting some wieght on the front. Then in the front you have the steering rack, and possible radiator/intercooler and other stuff that wieghs a fair amount...
 
Yes, as MazKid said, don't be misled into thinking that MR cars have the engine right smack in the middle of the car... as long as the engine is behind the driver and in front of the rear axle, it's an MR. (Actually, Nissan likes to stretch the idea a little... since the platform for the Z car places the engine behind the front axle, they refer to the platform [not the Z!] as a MR platform...)
 
Well i KNOW what an MR layout is..... behind driver, in front of rear axel...
but i get it now..
so its just the engine thats behind the driver, all the other componenets (cooler, radiator, etc) are @ the front??
 
Actually, the Z is not alone. RX-7s are MR too, the engine is mounted behind the front wheels.

A lot of cars are like that...
 
Weight gets distributed no matter what. Even 911's have some of the engine's weight on the front sheels, just because of how the cars are built and physics.

However, while the engine is an extremely ehavy part of the car, there are also other things to consider. The cockpit contains lots of heavy stuff (seats, carpet, lots of wires and stuff) and you also have lots of structural reinforcement and suspesnion components in the front.

And, actually, a 60/40 weight split either way is a pretty big bias.
 
Originally posted by MazKid
Actually, the Z is not alone. RX-7s are MR too, the engine is mounted behind the front wheels.

A lot of cars are like that...

This is actually (technically) called a mid-front engine position. True mid-engined cars have the engine behind the passenger compartment.
 
Originally posted by MazKid
well, most have trunks in the front, and some have both a front trunk and a small rear trunk. 40/60 is because, while it's MR, the engine is place inbetween the front and rear wheels, not directly over the rear wheels. So it's still putting some wieght on the front. Then in the front you have the steering rack, and possible radiator/intercooler and other stuff that wieghs a fair amount...


If the engine is behind the drive, then why would they put the intercooler infront of the driver?
 
Usually everything to do with the engine is with the engine, whether it be behind or in front of the driver.


An 1/2 race, if you are surprised that an MR car can acheive a 40/60 weight bias even with the trunk in front, why is that surprising, the trunk doesnt weigh anything. Unless full of stuff. Or maybe I just misunderstood.
 
Yeah but 12 sec... when all your engine components are more to the middle of the car, you kinda expect (or at least i do) that the front be very light...
 
Originally posted by jubula
If the engine is behind the drive, then why would they put the intercooler infront of the driver?

I'm not sure about the intercooler, but in many cases the radiator is in the front. In fact, those big 'reverse hood scoops' you see on many race cars are actually heat extractors for the radiator. Basically, you have more frontal area so you get much more air entering in the front of the car than by using side scoops or roof snorkels. All you have to do is run the piping to the engine.
 
Klonie.. i think you better get ur facts straight.. i know the RX7 is FR, but mazkid says that according to nissan standards, the rxy is a... midship frontal engine or somethin?
 
Klonie will you shut it? Who's the RX-7 expert here, it's me I tell ya.

Did I say that RX-7s have the engine in the back? No, but they have the engine behind the front wheels. You get it?
 
An FR has a front engine (In front of the driver) and Rear wheel drive.

Certain cars like the Camaro/Firebird, S2000, RX-7 and 350Z have the engine back close to the firewall and behind the front axle. This gives better grip because the further away the weight is from the center of the 4 wheels the worse, unless it is a Porsche with the Engine behind the rear axle, which turned out to be good.
 
Originally posted by 12sec. Civic
This gives better grip because the further away the weight is from the center of the 4 wheels the worse, unless it is a Porsche with the Engine behind the rear axle, which turned out to be good.

what you mean by... this gives better grip because the further away the weight is from the centre of the 2 wheels, and then you say the worse.. what are you implying here? :odd:
 
What he meant was, handling gets better the closer to center you place the weight. Then he mentioned the rear-engined porsche, but he can't explain why it has good handling.
 
Originally posted by halfracedrift
what you mean by... this gives better grip because the further away the weight is from the centre of the 2 wheels, and then you say the worse.. what are you implying here? :odd:

In a MR car, the engine is behind the passenger, but in front of the rear axle. The drive wheels in a MR car are the rear wheels.

An intercooler can still be placed in front of the driver (in the "front trunk") if the intake plumbing is run all the way up there. This is awkward, but would be good if you need a large intercooler (for which there may not be room in the engine compartment...which are often small in MR cars). There is also more cold air in the front of the car -- coming in as the car moves forward -- than in the rear-ish engine compartment.

Nissan's "front midship" designation is hokey at best. Very few cars have engines in front of the front wheels, and most have the engine just behind the front wheels (as the G35 and 350Z are). As many have said (including MazKid), there are lot's of cars in the past that are set up "front midship", but that does not make them MR cars; they're still FR (or FF). The true definition of MR is behind the driver but [/b]in front of the rear wheels[/b].

To answer the original question: an MR car can quite easily acheive a 40/60 distribution (as in 60% rear, 40%front). First imagine an empty chassis/shell: no engine, or anything else heavy. This empty car will have a 50/50 distribution.

[F]--(0)-------(0)--[R]

Now place the engine exactly in the middle.

[F]--(0)---#---(0)--[R]

Still 50/50, right? Now slide the engine towards the rear wheels. That 50/50 ratio will slide to 51/49...52/48...until you get to 60/40.

[F]--(0)------#(0)--[R]

Most of the engine will still be between the wheels, as will most of the drivetrain. Remember: the transmission still has to go forward to the gear selector between the front seats.
 
Example:
-Honda/Acura NSX
-Lotus Elise
-Ferrari F360
-Jaguar XJ220
-Toyota MR-S/MR-2 Spyder
-Pontiac Fiero
-Porsche Boxter
-Tommy-Kaira ZZ-series
...and the like.
 
The cool thing about MR drivetrains is that the car has a near perfect weight distribution, but it also has a lower "polar moment". The MR, while somewhat "twitchy" in the wrong hands is very fast because the car rotates around the engine's weight, instead of all that weight being shifted onto the front wheels, and causing the car to "push".

As for the Porsche, it handles good now. after more than thirty years of development.
If you go back and read some of the early reviews, there are explicit warnings to NOT let off the gas in a corner, else the car WILL swap ends, often with disasterous results. Porsche used to sell lead weights that could be installed in the front of the car to reduce (not eliminate) its tendency to spin.
 
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