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Most of you know the story, I have been reading and writing alot here.
After getting me myself a DFGT and playing with it for 4 days I realized the pedals wasn't doing it for me. I can confirm ISR thoughts about them.
Now I didn't try the bungy cord thing though.
Now, if you are gonna order a DFGT and don't mind the 110 euros Logitech charge (including the 20%) you should def. buy directly from them.
Atleast the support here in Sweden is AWESOME.
To try and maybe help a little I just wanna give you a fast run through how I was thinking a reasoning when choosing the T500.
Basically there are the following choices (in order of price for ME including shipping with a 9,4 sek/euro (not the case anymore, but back "then"):
DFGT - 110 euros (including the 20% from Logitech)
911 Carrera - 180 euros
911 Carrera + RSW - 222 euros
G27 - 255 euros (including the 20% from Logitech)
GT3 RS + Clubsport - 350 euros
T500 - 430 euros
So, I wanted you know this because of course the price reflects upon the decision.
After reading a review of the 911 (can't remember which user, sorry) I just made the decision that going from a DFGT to 911 wouldn't be worth it for me.
Now, the 911 + RSW would be interesting, but it was too late. I had already ordered the T500. I must say though, in retrospect if that package would have been out I might have gone with it simply because it's a great price.
Now, onto one of the big 3 contestors (correct spelling?), the G27.
This wheel is loved by many, and there are good reasons.
I have played with the G25 (my brother owned one but sold it a couple of years ago). First off, back then we couldn't get it work that well with any games.
Since GT5 is one of my main games I just didn't feel like it was the correct choice for me. You can't set the FFB and there is still the same dead zone as with the DFGT (correct?).
Now we are down to the last 2, the GT3 CSP and the T500.
This was not as hard in the end as I thought it would be.
The price difference for me was 70 euros.
That's money too, but at the price point we are at now I didn't feel like that should be the deciding factor.
In favor for the GT3 are the pedals which is accredited to be the BEST ones.
T500 have a bigger wheel and better FFB.
For me, support was also in favor of T500 when ordering (might have changed a little, heard some not so good feedback in the T500 thread).
Onto the T500.
I'm going to try and keep it structured, but I'm not that great at it so I will probably remove and add stuff as time goes by.
T500 - the pedals
As I said before it's common knowledge that the CSP has the edge.
For me though, going from DFGT to this was exactly what I wanted.
Without even installing the brake mod the resistance is very strong (on the brake pedal).
This is actually my only problem right now with playing on my desk.
The resistance is so big my chair tend to move
.
The set is HEAVY, which is awesome. It still have a tendency to move, but it's not a huge problem.
Don't know about the gas, there isn't a lot of resistance, but enough for it to be good to great and we all know must us T500 users don't really use the clutch that much
.
I have only played in GT mode (when the light is red), maybe I will switch it around (any thoughts here?).
I like metal plate that your feet rests on. It feels robust and not as plastic as the G27 pedals. Compared to the CSP, well I guess it's a matter of taste.
Overall from the little experience I have this is a great set of pedals. The quality is there and with a brake mod I can't really see how they wouldn't be able to compete with the CSP or modded G27's.
T500 - The Wheel (including the whole body and paddles)
Gonna start from the bottom with the clamp.
I just wanna debunk any myths that this wheel can't be played without hard mounting it.
With the clamp and a stable table or desk it's ROCK solid.
Sure, my desk squeaks from time to time but hell, the wheel won't move.
I love the design, I like the color since it doesn't stick out.
One of the things that people put as a negative is that the paddles doesn't move with the wheel.
Since I have played VERY little with moving ones I can't really say that much about that part, either it's good or bad.
For me it works, sure there are times when it would a little nicer for them to move.
They are BIG, yes. The feel is awesome and you are never uncertain either you shifted or not. They are BIG, like in HUGE.
Another thing people have opinion about is the fact that it's rubberized grip and not leather.
Well, all I can say is this. My hands tend to sweat when I play and I think for me the rubber is better. The grip is also great, you never slip.
The Force Feed Back.
This is where I feel the most insecure about writing alot since I don't have that much experience with other wheels.
To be honest, it wasn't breathtaking going from a DFGT to this.
The DFGT has very strong FFB aswell.
The big difference is how much more defined it is, and yeah, it is stronger.
Put it to 10, take your X2010 and you will feel FFB
T500 - Conclusion/Thoughts/Ramble
I was going back and forth. 7 months ago I though I was buying a GT3 CSP, 2 months later a 911 Carrera.
Then onto the DFGT, back to the GT3... and it just goes on.
In the end I think the T500 is too good a product for me.
I'm quite a bad driver and the DFGT would had been enough for me to get better at driving.
Would I discourage you from buying it though? NO.
If you have the money I think that T500 is the best you can get right now (please note the THINK).
The pedals are nice, the wheel feels great.
If you came all this way, awesome. This review isn't that good and it's because of two things.
I haven't spend that much time on writing it (I will come back and do changes, I promise). Also I haven't had that much time with the wheel yet.
Will be doing some 4/24 hour Nürburgring soon so hopefully I will have some more info for you guys on what I think.
There is ONE person that deserves some extra thanks from me.
You know who you are
After getting me myself a DFGT and playing with it for 4 days I realized the pedals wasn't doing it for me. I can confirm ISR thoughts about them.
Now I didn't try the bungy cord thing though.
Now, if you are gonna order a DFGT and don't mind the 110 euros Logitech charge (including the 20%) you should def. buy directly from them.
Atleast the support here in Sweden is AWESOME.
To try and maybe help a little I just wanna give you a fast run through how I was thinking a reasoning when choosing the T500.
Basically there are the following choices (in order of price for ME including shipping with a 9,4 sek/euro (not the case anymore, but back "then"):
DFGT - 110 euros (including the 20% from Logitech)
911 Carrera - 180 euros
911 Carrera + RSW - 222 euros
G27 - 255 euros (including the 20% from Logitech)
GT3 RS + Clubsport - 350 euros
T500 - 430 euros
So, I wanted you know this because of course the price reflects upon the decision.
After reading a review of the 911 (can't remember which user, sorry) I just made the decision that going from a DFGT to 911 wouldn't be worth it for me.
Now, the 911 + RSW would be interesting, but it was too late. I had already ordered the T500. I must say though, in retrospect if that package would have been out I might have gone with it simply because it's a great price.
Now, onto one of the big 3 contestors (correct spelling?), the G27.
This wheel is loved by many, and there are good reasons.
I have played with the G25 (my brother owned one but sold it a couple of years ago). First off, back then we couldn't get it work that well with any games.
Since GT5 is one of my main games I just didn't feel like it was the correct choice for me. You can't set the FFB and there is still the same dead zone as with the DFGT (correct?).
Now we are down to the last 2, the GT3 CSP and the T500.
This was not as hard in the end as I thought it would be.
The price difference for me was 70 euros.
That's money too, but at the price point we are at now I didn't feel like that should be the deciding factor.
In favor for the GT3 are the pedals which is accredited to be the BEST ones.
T500 have a bigger wheel and better FFB.
For me, support was also in favor of T500 when ordering (might have changed a little, heard some not so good feedback in the T500 thread).
Onto the T500.
I'm going to try and keep it structured, but I'm not that great at it so I will probably remove and add stuff as time goes by.
T500 - the pedals
As I said before it's common knowledge that the CSP has the edge.
For me though, going from DFGT to this was exactly what I wanted.
Without even installing the brake mod the resistance is very strong (on the brake pedal).
This is actually my only problem right now with playing on my desk.
The resistance is so big my chair tend to move
.The set is HEAVY, which is awesome. It still have a tendency to move, but it's not a huge problem.
Don't know about the gas, there isn't a lot of resistance, but enough for it to be good to great and we all know must us T500 users don't really use the clutch that much
.I have only played in GT mode (when the light is red), maybe I will switch it around (any thoughts here?).
I like metal plate that your feet rests on. It feels robust and not as plastic as the G27 pedals. Compared to the CSP, well I guess it's a matter of taste.
Overall from the little experience I have this is a great set of pedals. The quality is there and with a brake mod I can't really see how they wouldn't be able to compete with the CSP or modded G27's.
T500 - The Wheel (including the whole body and paddles)
Gonna start from the bottom with the clamp.
I just wanna debunk any myths that this wheel can't be played without hard mounting it.
With the clamp and a stable table or desk it's ROCK solid.
Sure, my desk squeaks from time to time but hell, the wheel won't move.
I love the design, I like the color since it doesn't stick out.
One of the things that people put as a negative is that the paddles doesn't move with the wheel.
Since I have played VERY little with moving ones I can't really say that much about that part, either it's good or bad.
For me it works, sure there are times when it would a little nicer for them to move.
They are BIG, yes. The feel is awesome and you are never uncertain either you shifted or not. They are BIG, like in HUGE.
Another thing people have opinion about is the fact that it's rubberized grip and not leather.
Well, all I can say is this. My hands tend to sweat when I play and I think for me the rubber is better. The grip is also great, you never slip.
The Force Feed Back.
This is where I feel the most insecure about writing alot since I don't have that much experience with other wheels.
To be honest, it wasn't breathtaking going from a DFGT to this.
The DFGT has very strong FFB aswell.
The big difference is how much more defined it is, and yeah, it is stronger.
Put it to 10, take your X2010 and you will feel FFB
T500 - Conclusion/Thoughts/Ramble
I was going back and forth. 7 months ago I though I was buying a GT3 CSP, 2 months later a 911 Carrera.
Then onto the DFGT, back to the GT3... and it just goes on.
In the end I think the T500 is too good a product for me.
I'm quite a bad driver and the DFGT would had been enough for me to get better at driving.
Would I discourage you from buying it though? NO.
If you have the money I think that T500 is the best you can get right now (please note the THINK).
The pedals are nice, the wheel feels great.
If you came all this way, awesome. This review isn't that good and it's because of two things.
I haven't spend that much time on writing it (I will come back and do changes, I promise). Also I haven't had that much time with the wheel yet.
Will be doing some 4/24 hour Nürburgring soon so hopefully I will have some more info for you guys on what I think.
There is ONE person that deserves some extra thanks from me.
You know who you are
