My Gran Turismo Sport's disappointments

[tnn]

Gran Turismo Sport still has a lot of disappointments for me. Here are some:

- Online game now is with PlayStation Plus. That sucks. Playing online with GT6 has been free ( well, until 3/2018 that is). I only play this game on PS4 and it sucks if I have to pay that much for online. I don't mine paying but paying for the whole PlayStation Plus is simply stupid.
- No Multi-Display support (yet), even with latest update 1.10
- Clutch is an ON/OFF switch and not realistic.
- Cockpit display is not adjustable or don't have cockpit without steering wheel. Think about it, if you play the game with a steering wheel, why would you need to see another one on the screen?
- No more Laguna Seca. The game should add more tracks and not taking such a legendary track like Laguna Seca off.

Gran Turismo is all about simulation and about getting the realistic racing experience. The "experience" should be at highest priority. If that the case, just forget about the stupid stuff such as "livery editor", "picture scapes". Those are nice to have but not making the game more realistic.

Multi-Display should be highest priority. Yes I tried VR and I prefer multi-display instead. VR's resolution is too low and I quickly become uncomfortable or getting sick with it. I've been playing GT6 with 3 TVs. It is a big different. It makes the game more real and enhance the experience

Clutch pedal is an ON/OFF switch since forever and it doesn't look like they will enhance it. Big mistake. Playing this game, driving Ferrari Dino in manual mode is a joy experience. Imagine if the clutch pedal works realistically ..... If you have to drive car like that with paddle shifter, oh well... that's not realistic.

It's probably a long way for this game to support motion rigs. But I'm not too disappointed because it's still expensive.


I'm going to wait for another 3 months, if the game don't add multi-display, it would rebuild my rig for PC and playing other games instead.

Again, these are my disappointments. may not be yours. If you're happy with the game, good for you. moving on....

 

[Walkinshaw]

......just forget about the stupid stuff such as "livery editor", "picture scapes".....

No! That's crazy talk

 

[ShiftingGears]

I'm going to be a heretic and say that Laguna Seca is overrated, and that the corkscrew is a glorified chicane. 1v1 come at me

 

[Sven Jurgens]

VR's resolution is fine once you know the tracks. Stick with it and you'll get used to it. It's by far the best way to race. Unfortunately PD was too proud to use ps2 car models for VR so we could actually race. That one AI car with 2 lap limit is a sad joke. Let me qualify for daily races in VR, why not, and I might actually enjoy qualifying.

But indeed, need more tracks. Spa and Sarthe please.

 

[Lux Klonoa]

No! That's crazy talk

Yeah, sometimes I seriously scratch my head at posts like his. O_o

 

[tnn]

I'm going to be a heretic and say that Laguna Seca is overrated, and that the corkscrew is a glorified chicane. 1v1 come at me

I take this as you have never driven at Laguna Seca.

VR's resolution is fine once you know the tracks. Stick with it and you'll get used to it. It's by far the best way to race.

low resolution in VR is one problem. the other is: you don't see your controllers ( steering wheel and stick shifter). that makes the experience somewhat not enjoyable.
check out my PS3 multiscreen setup:


simulation is not only about "seeing" but also "interaction", and "feedback". The montiors, seat, steering wheel, stick shifter are major factor to make the game => simulator. putting up the VR basically fool your eyes, brain but you won't have the "interaction" and the "feedback" from the game correctly.

No! That's crazy talk

I said its nice to have but not adding any realism to a simulation game. Apparently they (PD) spent too much efforts on these features which make GT sports more as an arcade game than a driving simulator.

 

[Biggbaddwolf]

I agree Laguna Seca, Sarthe, and Spa were never real big favorites of mine. I mean they were ok sometimes, but there are others that I would rather see brought back into the game.

 

[Tekku]

Multi-display should not be a priority as it’s only targeted at a very small amount of people. Tracks and cars should really be the main focus going forward.

And I don’t agree about your thoughts on the livery creator and photoscapes. GT is about community and these modes do a great job of pulling people together in their love for cars.

 

[ShiftingGears]

I hear more racetracks make for good photos.

I take this as you have never driven at Laguna Seca.

Irrelevant. The Corkscrew was challenging in Gran Turismo 2, other than that, pretty much like any other chicane.

 

[sems4arsenal]

PS Plus being paid is both good and bad. The reliability of the service during the PS3 era was .... let's be kind and say below average. Paying money for more reliability and better free games (not always the case, mind) -- is the better solution in my opinion.

The rest are valid complaints. I really miss Laguna Seca. Their lighting engine would do wonders for the track. Hope they're working on it.

 

[baldgye]

I'm going to be a heretic and say that Laguna Seca is overrated, and that the corkscrew is a glorified chicane. 1v1 come at me

You're not wrong, but the whole track is pretty great.
You have sand either side of a not very wide track surface and a number of corners are quite high speed meaning that you can't dilly-dally around trying not to run too deep, otherwise you'll just be too slow. Turn 1 is a complex and difficult corner to get right but can make for amazing moves. Also the two corners after the corkscrew are great places to make moves if someone bungles the corkscrew.

It's a great track, but I agree the corkscrew in its-self isn't particularly exciting.

 

[Dready1984]

If you're happy with the game, good for you. moving on....

If you're unhappy with the game, who cares? Plenty of others are enjoying it.

 

[andryush]

Paid online gaming on PS4... where you were for last 5 years? Online multiplayer is paid service since PS4 launch unfortunately.

PS Plus being paid is both good and bad. The reliability of the service during the PS3 era was .... let's be kind and say below average. Paying money for more reliability and better free games (not always the case, mind) -- is the better solution in my opinion.

Whaaat? what better games? Free games in PS4's PS Plus is not the case at all, PS3's PS Plus had much better games! Also can't agree with you, that now reliability of service is better. It improved very little for past few years, and to be honest, I never had serious issues with PS3 multiplayer, spent hundreds of hours in GT5 and GT6 online mode and can't recall having serious problems. Beside hacker attacks during PS3 era, It's PS4 where the reliability problems really started to show up. I remember first few years of PS4's online functionality, and it was a real mess! PSN down was mandatory everyday event for the fans. Now it's better, but still it has problems with some ISP's.

As for the rest of OP's complaints - physics. It's one thing that holds me from buying GTS. I hoped for serious update of this aspect, but not much has changed. Game still can't compete with Project CARS, or Asseto Corsa and that's just sad.

 

[FerrellJ]

Gran Turismo is all about simulation and about getting the realistic racing experience. The "experience" should be at highest priority. If that the case, just forget about the stupid stuff such as "livery editor", "picture scapes".

Most absurd statement I think I've real on this entire board.

I don't think the driving aspect of GT comes anywhere close to other modern sims in terms of immersion (in terms of both AI and physics). If that was all it had to offer, I'd have been out long ago. Truth is, it's a lot of those ancillary features that have kept me playing for 100+ hours.

The photo mode, livery editor, social features, even the replay visuals and audio (at least external) are executed at such an incredibly high level compared to those other sims. The fact that they got so much of the other stuff so right deserves more recognition.

While I really wish the handling model had as much depth as those other games, it is inoffensive enough that I can tolerate it as it supports those other positive elements that I really like.

 

[J.D]

The lack of wet tracks or the rain in general i played Project Cars 2 demo and the rain looks amazing

 

[Sven Jurgens]

low resolution in VR is one problem. the other is: you don't see your controllers ( steering wheel and stick shifter). that makes the experience somewhat not enjoyable.
check out my PS3 multiscreen setup:


simulation is not only about "seeing" but also "interaction", and "feedback". The montiors, seat, steering wheel, stick shifter are major factor to make the game => simulator. putting up the VR basically fool your eyes, brain but you won't have the "interaction" and the "feedback" from the game correctly.

I said its nice to have but not adding any realism to a simulation game. Apparently they (PD) spent too much efforts on these features which make GT sports more as an arcade game than a driving simulator.

That's a nice setup, way too involved for me though and you end up with a double steering wheel. GTS' VR implementation needs some refinement. It lacks proper feedback since you're not actually sitting in the car. The viewpoint is not influenced correctly by the orientation of the car, mostly noticeable when going up/down hills or through banked corners. You don't have that either with multi screen setups yet in VR you can do it properly like in Dirt Rally and DriveClub. GTS played it safe by having a floating level viewpoint and letting the car rotate around you.

In VR you can place your wheel right so it aligns with the wheel as seen in VR. Stick shifter is more difficult though. Still VR is more attainable than buying 3 consoles and 3 screens for one game and if done right, more immersive as well.

 

[Scaff]

Gran Turismo is all about simulation and about getting the realistic racing experience.

They dropped the ball on that one then..................................

 

[BigJimmy]

Anyone else not read his post?

I never read posts like this. I'm actually just a bot programmed to add posts moaning about the moaning posts.

But in response to his post.. The livery editor is not pointless.. in fact if you have no livery in sport mode I tend to expect worse behavior as you have no expectations of building up an image or online presence within GT. You more likely to be a try hard just going for wins at any cost (thats my limited experience of about 20 sport modes races talking anyway).

 

[VFOURMAX1]

I take this as you have never driven at Laguna Seca.

Laguna has a lot of history but it is overrated as being one of the best tracks for a virtual racing game. It is a slow track with very short straights and has been done to death in so many prior games that most gamers can race the course in their sleep. In my opinion there are better courses in the United States to be added to the game.

Road Atlanta would be one alternative but a really fresh addition would be Virginia International Raceway which offers multiple layouts in its design with three of those with the longest being over 4 miles in length would all make excellent courses for virtual racing. You have high speed straights, multiple elevation changes fast corners and slow corners a little of everything and the track is pretty rare to find in a virtual racing game.

 

[MisterOne77]

Gran Turismo Sport still has a lot of disappointments for me. Here are some:

- Online game now is with PlayStation Plus. That sucks. Playing online with GT6 has been free ( well, until 3/2018 that is). I only play this game on PS4 and it sucks if I have to pay that much for online. I don't mine paying but paying for the whole PlayStation Plus is simply stupid.
- No Multi-Display support (yet), even with latest update 1.10
- Clutch is an ON/OFF switch and not realistic.
- Cockpit display is not adjustable or don't have cockpit without steering wheel. Think about it, if you play the game with a steering wheel, why would you need to see another one on the screen?
- No more Laguna Seca. The game should add more tracks and not taking such a legendary track like Laguna Seca off.

Gran Turismo is all about simulation and about getting the realistic racing experience. The "experience" should be at highest priority. If that the case, just forget about the stupid stuff such as "livery editor", "picture scapes". Those are nice to have but not making the game more realistic.

Multi-Display should be highest priority. Yes I tried VR and I prefer multi-display instead. VR's resolution is too low and I quickly become uncomfortable or getting sick with it. I've been playing GT6 with 3 TVs. It is a big different. It makes the game more real and enhance the experience

Clutch pedal is an ON/OFF switch since forever and it doesn't look like they will enhance it. Big mistake. Playing this game, driving Ferrari Dino in manual mode is a joy experience. Imagine if the clutch pedal works realistically ..... If you have to drive car like that with paddle shifter, oh well... that's not realistic.

It's probably a long way for this game to support motion rigs. But I'm not too disappointed because it's still expensive.


I'm going to wait for another 3 months, if the game don't add multi-display, it would rebuild my rig for PC and playing other games instead.

Again, these are my disappointments. may not be yours. If you're happy with the game, good for you. moving on....

Why would you want them to take out livery editor? A feature that ADDS to the game and overall experience? To my knowledge, it has been a feature people in the community has been asking for, for a while. So why take it out just because it isn't realistic? In fact, how isn't it realistic? How is it any less realistic than something like 2X or Tommohawk? The same can be said with scapes, why take it out? It doesn't affect realism in the slightest.

 

[FerrellJ]

Why would you want them to take out livery editor?

I think he's just suggesting that those development resources should have been dedicated to other parts of the game instead.

 

[MisterOne77]

I think he's just suggesting that those development resources should have been dedicated to other parts of the game instead.

Yeah, I don't agree with that at all.

 

[Pedinhuh]

I believe this forum has quite a lot of threads of this kind...

Reminds me of GTA Forums before the mods went nuclear, made a designated thread for complaints and started to lock other complaint threads left and right(which ended up with some kicking for repeating offenders).

A little bit harsh but it worked.

Don't you guys have a designated "bitch and moan" thread here too?

Also, take out Livery Editor for "more tracks"? Are you insane??? Do you know deep and cool that feature is? I love it!

 

[MisterWaffles]

Do you guys don't have a designated "batch and moan" thread here too?

I mean we do, it's just that no one ever uses it...

 

[tnn]

for those of you got upset on what I said about "livery editor" & "picture scapes", I don't think you got my point. If you're happy to spend hours on your PS4, with your gamepad, making cars, taking pictures and share with your social networks, great for you, great for PD. They probably got a tons of you hooked up on the game that way. Keep living the dreams!!

I modify my cars and racing them in real life. When someone said taking the corkscrew as a chicane at Laguna Seca, they just don't know what they're talking about. In the game, you don't have the fear. The fear for your life and the fear for destroying your beloved car. That's why you can take that corner as a chicane and probably short cut through it. If you hit something, hit the restart button and try again. So is the track over rated or you ?

just watch this video:

that was me in the car behind that ferrari. Just a small mistake at the corkscrew can screw up the whole thing. so taking it as a chicane ? come on, be realistic!

Yes I do miss Spa and Sarthe but Laguna Seca is my local track so I do have emotional attached to it.


There is big community on Sim Racing and Sim Racing hardware. They are on PC. My biggest mistake is I built my rig based on PlayStation Platform and with Gran Turismo Franchise. And when this doesn't work they way it used to work, I feel left out. I think that this game's direction is not about driving simulation any more and I'm ready to convert my rig for PC.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

It's still about driving simulation, they simply need more people to work on more tracks and cars. GTS is a reboot of the game engine which took time and rebuilding all the assets. Yet for some reason PD can't plan ahead and get enough talent to work on more tracks.

Multi display support will probably come eventually, as well as a crazy 4x ps4 pro 8K mode. Yet PD is simply slow. No wonder they're so focused on the Samba bus it is featured in the daily A race all week. It fits their development speed

 

[tnn]

It's still about driving simulation...
Multi display support will probably come eventually, as well as a crazy 4x ps4 pro 8K mode. Yet PD is simply slow. No wonder they're so focused on the Samba bus it is featured in the daily A race all week. It fits their development speed

Thank you. I find your post very encouraging for me to continue to keep my faith on the game.

 

[Scaff]

I believe this forum has quite a lot of threads of this kind...

Reminds me of GTA Forums before the mods went nuclear, made a designated thread for complaints and started to lock other complaint threads left and right(which ended up with some kicking for repeating offenders).

A little bit harsh but it worked.

Don't you guys have a designated "bitch and moan" thread here too?

We don't have a dedicated 'happiness and praise' thread and force all those happy with the game to post in that, as such why on earth would we do so for those with a different view?

You may want to isolate, censor and limit those who may not be happy with GTS, however we don't.

 

[first place]

I agree Laguna Seca, Sarthe, and Spa were never real big favorites of mine. I mean they were ok sometimes, but there are others that I would rather see brought back into the game.

I'd love to see Laguna Seca. The famous corkscrew.

 

[LordDrift]

No wheel on screen is ok, but it doesnt bother me as is because I find it helpful to set the cockpit view. Once set I can't even see it because my real wheel overlays it. So no biggie for me.