My Lancer Evo VIII MR GSR '04 needs more speed!!!

[Kealios]

I need help finalizing my Lancer Evolution VIII MR GSR, mainly with the transmission. I refuse to believe that the Impreza WRX STI C-spec cant be beat by this car!

My best time on Tokyo R246 with this setup is 1.37.615 (even my beast of a 3000GT VR-4 '98 gets a 1.34.280!!). My benchmark for this track should get me close to 1:31, so as you can see, Im way off.

Ive upgraded to everything, with Stage 3 Turbo and Racing Suspension (not Original on either). I use R3 tires, and I don't drift (can't, don't know how, going to learn but later). I also dont use NOS when tuning, if ever.

Spring rate 8.5 / 8.0
Ride height 94 / 94
Bound 4 / 5
Rebound 4 / 5
Camber 2.5 / 1.0
Toe -1 / 0
Stabilizer 3 / 4

Brakes 15 / 15

Downforce 25 / 20

ASM Oversteer 12
ASM Understeer 2
TCS 2
(I plan on weening myself off all these completely, since 2 player battle doesnt use them...grrr)

LSD 5 / 15 / 10
AYC 100
VCD 35

Transmission:
Auto 10
1) 2.610
2) 1.802
3) 1.335
4) 1.035
5) 0.821
6) 0.669
Final 4.583

I'm happy with how the car drives, for the most part. I spent nearly two hours on Cote d'Azer and got my time down to a respectable speed using Original turbo, but changing over to Tokyo has been dismal.

I need more speed!

How can I coax a few extra seconds off my speed, primarily using the Transmission? Ideas, and if so, maybe how you arrived there (the transmission is a huge mystery to me for the most part).

I know this car can do better, and like I said, I refuse to bow to the Suburu!

 

[[Skyline]Grind]

[edit by mod]: No need to quote a post that large, please.

Well for starters your final gear is way too high. 4.56 is a gear used in drag and urs is pretty close. decrease that to at least a 3.73. also turn of ur asm it slows u down alot and its eaiser to drive the car without it.

 

[Sunneh]

Get an Impreza 👍

 

[Super Jamie]

Get an Impreza 👍

hahaha

seriously, just turn ASM off and learn to drive better. it slows the car down severely. i just got one of my friends to drop ASM and it took him 2 or 3 laps to get used to it, now he's even faster than before, so it's not like it's a massive learning curve

be careful with your final gear, most cars in the game have long transmissions and tight final gears. unless you're sitting on the limiter in 6th along the straight, the acceleration from the high final gear is likely helping more than hindering, but give it a go. maybe try in little steps (0.200 at a time) down to 3.7ish. if you're not on the limiter, try higher as well

for the rest of the gearbox, move the slider and do some laps, if you don't like the outcome, repeat until you find somewhere good. sometimes you find one good setting and the 2 or 3 auto points either side are crap

have a look on gtvault for setups by Fumes, i find his are the best

 

[LedaM3]

if you want to lap an awd quickly, you are going to need to learn to be comfortable sliding the car. not camber to the max fullon sideways stuff, but the car will be quickest by tossing in, powering out.

 

[Kealios]

if you want to lap an awd quickly, you are going to need to learn to be comfortable sliding the car. not camber to the max fullon sideways stuff, but the car will be quickest by tossing in, powering out.

Got any ideas on how to do this? I've posted my settings...

 

[VQuick]

Got any ideas on how to do this? I've posted my settings...

I was able to get my Evo VIII MR sideways by getting an AYC controller and increasing the strength of the system. I think it starts out at 30 and ends at 130. I put it smack in the middle at 80.

If it makes any difference, I think my suspension settings are stock. I don't actually own GT4(borrowed it from a friend for 1 wk, I'm only at 25.6%), so I can't go back and check my setting.

During a turn, I turn in late. If you do stay off the throttle, you'll notice that the turn-in is much sharper. I think that's the AYC working for you. You can use the AYC to turn in sharper, then get back on the throttle to initiate a drift. The effect is really pronounced on less than optimal surfaces, like Tsukuba Wet.

 

[LedaM3]

I plan on buying the MR when I can afford it. Right now im broke.

Right now Im on my third car, ive started playing around with the NSX*R concept and already feel Ive found a setup that works really well for a midengined car. I need to finish up a bunch of races, right now im only at 8%. so im thinking of picking up an evo 2 or evo 3 to finish up the 4wd and turbo races. ill be able to experiment and find a good setup that works for the driving style thats quickest in an awd car. i should get a recording setup going so you guys can see some laps when i get going.

frankly im excited to drive a car that is actually quick to drift. richard burns rally for pc is sick as hell.

 

[LedaM3]

I was able to get my Evo VIII MR sideways by getting an AYC controller and increasing the strength of the system. I think it starts out at 30 and ends at 130. I put it smack in the middle at 80.

If it makes any difference, I think my suspension settings are stock. I don't actually own GT4(borrowed it from a friend for 1 wk, I'm only at 25.6%), so I can't go back and check my setting.

During a turn, I turn in late. If you do stay off the throttle, you'll notice that the turn-in is much sharper. I think that's the AYC working for you. You can use the AYC to turn in sharper, then get back on the throttle to initiate a drift. The effect is really pronounced on less than optimal surfaces, like Tsukuba Wet.

An AYC is a yaw controler. The definition of yaw in lamens term is slip angle on the tires, or when your drifting. if you have an awd car drifting is good, yaw is good. you dont want a computer applying brakes to the tire it sees fit. you shouldnt need a computer to control a drift. humans can do it better than a black box. brakes to the tires when you arent pressing them is just going to interfere with your driving and slow your car down.

 

[iam]

Get the Stage 5 from the Tuner Village. My MR runs better than my Spec C...mostly because I've spent over twice the amount of time tuning it...

 

[VQuick]

An AYC is a yaw controler. The definition of yaw in lamens term is slip angle on the tires, or when your drifting. if you have an awd car drifting is good, yaw is good. you dont want a computer applying brakes to the tire it sees fit. you shouldnt need a computer to control a drift. humans can do it better than a black box. brakes to the tires when you arent pressing them is just going to interfere with your driving and slow your car down.

I don't think AYC has anything to do with the brakes. If I remember correctly, AYC is a part on the rear diff. It applies more power to the outside rear wheel to help rotate the car and reduce understeer. That's why increasing the strength of the AYC leads to stronger turn-in, and even oversteer.

 

[Smag1022]

If u wan't to get an Evolution with speed u should try the Evolution VII GT-A. This car has no turbo lag at all and it can easily reach the 220's(mph)easily if u hook it up all the way including nitrous and u wouldn't even need to change the gearing for it to go that fast. By the way u can find it in Used Showroom II.

 

[d3p0]

"Well for starters your final gear is way too high. 4.56 is a gear used in drag and urs is pretty close. decrease that to at least a 3.73. also turn of ur asm it slows u down alot and its eaiser to drive the car without it."

Lower # = Longer/Taller gears = Slower acceleration = Higher top speed

Anyway, It's the driver. Describe your corner entry and exit.

 

[LedaM3]

I don't think AYC has anything to do with the brakes. If I remember correctly, AYC is a part on the rear diff. It applies more power to the outside rear wheel to help rotate the car and reduce understeer. That's why increasing the strength of the AYC leads to stronger turn-in, and even oversteer.

im sorry, but a doohicky, is a doohicky. what is the point of a wonderfully thought up doohicky, if you simply dont need it if you know how to drive correctly in the first place.

i bet you can even find a galant VR4 in one of the used lots. that thing has 4 wheel steering, sounds wonderous!

to me a racecar has 4 independently suspended wheels, a motor powering the rear wheels through an LSD, and thats it.

 

[LedaM3]

I just sold a car from one of the special condition races for a lot of cash. went straight to the mitsu dealer to get a white MR. then went to GT auto and slapped on the first OZ rim, black to match the carbon wing. usually i drive a car stock first for a while and take it from there. i have a lot of bones so i started upgrading the car in a few areas already.

racing brakes, s3 tires, race muffler, chip, flywheel, stage 1 lighten. took it to the ring to test. set all aids off of course. this car is rediculiously easy to drive very quickly stock. only did one lap, 8:03. i like how the suspension is setup from the factory. it is actually pretty damn soft, but like i try and tell people, this isnt bad! this car is a perfect example of how you can drive tha pants off of a softly suspended car, and take any corner blazingly fast. if its not turning in, its your own fault for not tossing all the weight forward.

you can tell a lot about whether a car has problems or not based on how it takes the long section of sweeping 3rd gear corners after the carousel, and this car handles them beautifully.

ive also purchased custom suspension and custom LSD, havent installed yet, but will get toying with soon. im actually going to leave the suspension stock until i drive the car more. im afraid i could learn a thing or two from the factory on this one.

now that i think of it kaelious, im afraid the advantages of a car like the MR are seen at tracks more like nurburgring, seattle, tsukuba, where the car is making drastic direction changes often. one of the reasons i hate the tokyo circuit is that it really seems to favor racecars simply because of the downforce and huge power they have. you cant really use driving skill to master the track, you take each corner relatively identical to what you would assume.

so it looks like im going to have to adapt the MR to tokyo, ****. ill let you know how things are in a day or two.

 

[shorti]

Get the Stage 5 from the Tuner Village. My MR runs better than my Spec C...mostly because I've spent over twice the amount of time tuning it...

are u serious? get the stage5?

 

[iam]

It produces less overall power than the stage 3 but spools up quicker and is more potent for track use! Try it out.

 

[Kealios]

Anyway, It's the driver. Describe your corner entry and exit.

I tend to approach a corner at high speed, braking hard about halfway into it (trying to steer at the last bit), and gunning it out hard at the back end.

I dont drift (just decided I want to learn how, but havent spent any time doing it), and since my car tends to understeer, especially with acceleration, I try to get the slowing and turning done in the first half of the turn, and punch it once I can see the next straightaway.

As far as tokyo vs the other tracks, tokyo certainly is a bunch of straightaways followed by some hard turns, but it's a track I know and I know the speeds...so I know what I should be aiming for.

I'll goof around with the settings a bit tonight and get back to you all...and see if I cant get a time from the Ring to post

Kealios

 

[LedaM3]

try taking this approach. get a stock MR, add spft sport tires, stage 1 lighten, and race brakes. go to the nurburgring turn off all aids and get a 8:20 lap before you go further. thesuspension is very good stock, you just need to learn to adapt your driving to it. its nothing peculiar, its oen of those cars that is so easy to drive quickly it will make you a lot better driver if you learn with it.

the MR is good because thecar basically makes you aqcuire trailbraking technique. the heavy car wont even point into a corner unless you learn to use the right amount of brake to gtet the nose pointed, and because its awd, from there its just full throttle out.

dont question, do this, andyou will be on track.

 

[Kealios]

try taking this approach. get a stock MR, add spft sport tires, stage 1 lighten, and race brakes. go to the nurburgring turn off all aids and get a 8:20 lap before you go further. thesuspension is very good stock, you just need to learn to adapt your driving to it. its nothing peculiar, its oen of those cars that is so easy to drive quickly it will make you a lot better driver if you learn with it.

the MR is good because thecar basically makes you aqcuire trailbraking technique. the heavy car wont even point into a corner unless you learn to use the right amount of brake to gtet the nose pointed, and because its awd, from there its just full throttle out.

dont question, do this, andyou will be on track.

I already put stage 3 lightening on mine, and so i think i'll return all specs to stock and run with this...thanks for the advice. if i cant get it to work, i'll buy a new one

 

[rummy]

You need displacement.

 

[coolchu001]

Just bring it down to the 0-400m....tune your car there.....get the fastest time (i got like aroud 9.2seconds) and then take it to Tokyo R246 and do another run to set the gears....i recommond you using the Auto set feature of the full custom gearbox...also....set the TCS to 0....but be sure to get the Understeer to max so you can turn on a dime

 

[Kealios]

Just bring it down to the 0-400m....tune your car there.....get the fastest time (i got like aroud 9.2seconds) and then take it to Tokyo R246 and do another run to set the gears....i recommond you using the Auto set feature of the full custom gearbox...also....set the TCS to 0....but be sure to get the Understeer to max so you can turn on a dime

Setting the understeer might work in GT mode, but I tune my cars so that I can race against my friends (it's why I play the series, and always will be). Since they diabolically removed the ability to use TCS and ASM, I am now refusing to set any of my cars with the driving aids on. Yes, I am learning to be a better driver, but I feel a little disappointed that they made such an obvious bug, or were simply not considerate enough to keep that option in (if I want to use them, I should be able to...I didnt code them into the game, after all...)

Kealios

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Lancers are dodgy- get a wrx

 

[coolchu001]

Setting the understeer might work in GT mode, but I tune my cars so that I can race against my friends (it's why I play the series, and always will be). Since they diabolically removed the ability to use TCS and ASM, I am now refusing to set any of my cars with the driving aids on. Yes, I am learning to be a better driver, but I feel a little disappointed that they made such an obvious bug, or were simply not considerate enough to keep that option in (if I want to use them, I should be able to...I didnt code them into the game, after all...)

Kealios

.....oh not to mention....that player 2 doesnt have a button for "Special" which is NO2....

 

[CRF]

based on these questions,i have one more.I bought a evo 7 gta from the used car lot,and i liked it very much but i didnt want to overtune it,so i bought only AYC,VCD,lightening and slicks (no refreshin plan,i liked the way that flexes a bit).So i took my evo 8 RS,to tune it properly so i can make it a "weapon",for citta di aria.Firstly i noticed that it cant be equipped with AYC (strange ,as it originaly intented to be a race car),and secondly,it has wayyy more understeer.I lowered the front,raised the rear,and some other settings,but i cant drive it the way I want.Any settings?