Need Help with HKS Geno Hyper Silvia drift tuning.

[Kirby12111]

I need help with tuning my HKS Geno Hyper Silvia.
I need help with:
How to tune the suspension and transmission.

I am fairly new to gt5 drifting and don't know how to tune a good drift car and would like to learn.

Info on car:
Make- HKS
Model- Geno Hyper Silvia
Parts- maxed
Transition settings- stock
Suspension settings- stock
Drivetrain- 50,50
Tires- comfort, soft

Exact values would be nice, but I just want help so I can learn.

 

[APXCaramel]

What is the car doing that you don't like. Spining out? Not transitioning? Understeer? Oversteer? What do you need to fix? Also giving us your values would help us out.

 

[Kirby12111]

Under steering is the problem I'm having with it. I ebrake drift so that might help to.

 

[shmogt]

I have not tried or am near my ps3 at all but here is a total guess which I think should be pretty good. Comfort Hard Tires.

Suspension:
Lower to the max
Front spring 10.2 back 6.5
Dampers 7,5
Compression 6,4
Leave anti Roll bars
Camber 3.2, 0.8
Toe - 0.23, -0.13

Lsd:
60
60
5

Transmission is really hard to say but I'm thinking top speed set to the lowest. Leave the gears and than change the final gear shows 140mph as the top speed next to the graph.

If I was to start testing to tune this car this is the start numbers I would use. Assuming they go to these numbers lol, but stick with close enough ratios if not. Again haven't tried but it should be not too bad.

 

[Kirby12111]

Thanks for giving me a place to start.

 

[shmogt]

Thanks for giving me a place to start.

I am going to make a serious tune for this car soon enough so keep watch. I would direct you some drifting tips but my sites undergoing some maintenance at the moment.

 

[Kirby12111]

Alright, keep me updated at your convenience.

 

[Gonales]

Wheel or DS3?

 

[Kirby12111]

Ds3.

 

[Gonales]

ill post my DS3 setup later kk?

 

[Kirby12111]

Ok, thanks.

 

[Kirby12111]

I'm using these settings:
HP: 395
Weight: 1130 kg
Tires: comfort hard
Turbo: stage 3
Aerodynamics: 15, 40
Transmission: (manual)
1- 4.391
2- 3.051
3- 2.248
4- 1.746
5- 1.429
Final- 3.002
Max speed- 112
Real spread- 140
LSD: 60, 60, 5
Suspension:
Ride hight- -10,-10
Spring rate- 10.2, 6.5
Dampers- 7,5
Compression- 6,4
Anti-roll bars- 6,6
Camber- 3.2, 0.8
Toe- -0.23,-0.13
Brakes: 2,10

Problem now:
(might be because of my inexperience)
Hard to control when accelerating, tends to oversteer.

 

[Kirby12111]

Correction to car name: (might help)
Make: HKS
Model: Genki Hyper Silvia RS2 '04

 

[shmogt]

I'm using these settings:
HP: 395
Weight: 1130 kg
Tires: comfort hard
Turbo: stage 3
Aerodynamics: 15, 40
Transmission: (manual)
1- 4.391
2- 3.051
3- 2.248
4- 1.746
5- 1.429
Final- 3.002
Max speed- 112
Real spread- 140
LSD: 60, 60, 5
Suspension:
Ride hight- -10,-10
Spring rate- 10.2, 6.5
Dampers- 7,5
Compression- 6,4
Anti-roll bars- 6,6
Camber- 3.2, 0.8
Toe- -0.23,-0.13
Brakes: 2,10

Problem now:
(might be because of my inexperience)
Hard to control when accelerating, tends to oversteer.

Lower the front Camber to - 2.2 and rear toe to - 0.05. You could also lower the lsd to 40,45,15. Should give you less acceleration and less angle making it easier to control.

 

[Gonales]

Lower the front Camber to - 2.2 and rear toe to - 0.05. You could also lower the lsd to 40,45,15. Should give you less acceleration and less angle making it easier to control.

Lowering the LSD gives you MORE acceleration, not less. Actually, the LSD was pretty good. It's not the problem tbh.

Just taking a look at the rest now.

I'm using these settings:
HP: 395
Weight: 1130 kg
Tires: comfort hard
Turbo: stage 3
Aerodynamics: 15, 40
Transmission: (manual)
1- 4.391
2- 3.051
3- 2.248
4- 1.746
5- 1.429
Final- 3.002
Max speed- 112
Real spread- 140
LSD: 60, 60, 5
Suspension:
Ride hight- -10,-10
Spring rate- 10.2, 6.5
Dampers- 7,5
Compression- 6,4
Anti-roll bars- 6,6
Camber- 3.2, 0.8
Toe- -0.23,-0.13
Brakes: 2,10

Problem now:
(might be because of my inexperience)
Hard to control when accelerating, tends to oversteer.

Full engine tuning, and turbo St.3 HP: 547
Weight : 1200 KG. (All mods possible).

Ballast: 70 KG, -40 (front.)

Less Aero. Kick it out as much as possible.
Downforce: 20 Fr 20 rear.

LSD: 5 initial torque, 60 accel, 60 decel

Suspension:
Ride hight- -10,-10
Spring rate- 7.2, 13.5
Dampers- 5,9
Compression- 5,9
Anti-roll bars- 2,6
Camber- 0.7, 0
Toe- +0.20, 0

 

[shmogt]

Lowering the LSD gives you MORE acceleration, not less. Actually, the LSD was pretty good. It's not the problem tbh.

I disagree. The higher the braking part will cause the redline to be hit yet the engine will slow not allowing the tires to not spin as fast. The other two make it rev faster. If it is really insane having a 10, 42, 50 LSD will allow the revs to build giving you the power you need, but not over rev causing you to spin up the tires too much. This is what I have found with my 200+ tunes at least.

 

[Kirby12111]

Full engine tuning, and turbo St.3 HP: 547
Weight : 1200 KG. (All mods possible).

Ballast: 70 KG, -40 (front.)

Less Aero. Kick it out as much as possible.
Downforce: 20 Fr 20 rear.

LSD: 5 initial torque, 60 accel, 60 decel

Suspension:
Ride hight- -10,-10
Spring rate- 7.2, 13.5
Dampers- 5,9
Compression- 5,9
Anti-roll bars- 2,6
Camber- 0.7, 0
Toe- +0.20, 0

Anti-roll bars: 6,6
Camber 1.5, 2.0

Wouldn't the above be better?

 

[Gonales]

I disagree. The higher the braking part will cause the redline to be hit yet the engine will slow not allowing the tires to not spin as fast. The other two make it rev faster. If it is really insane having a 10, 42, 50 LSD will allow the revs to build giving you the power you need, but not over rev causing you to spin up the tires too much. This is what I have found with my 200+ tunes at least.

I think, (and so does a professional drifting instructor and judge), that a diff should be locked. Frankly, the bit of text you wrote seems to me as you can't control wheelspin. Plus the fact that, when you have more wheelspin, you have more margin of error. Which is better for learning. Either way, 5 60 60 is the way to go.

Anti-roll bars: 6,6
Camber 1.5, 2.0

Wouldn't the above be better?

Nope. You want to soften the front anti roll bar for better weight shifting to kick the car, and your rear end camber is not needed to be so high. Nor is the front, on a controller.

 

[Adrenaline]

I think, (and so does a professional drifting instructor and judge), that a diff should be locked.

Unfortunately for you both, the game physics weren't designed by someone who cares what you think. You can't confuse real world results with GT5 settings, they do not mirror each other.

 

[shmogt]

Unfortunately for you both, the game physics weren't designed by someone who cares what you think. You can't confuse real world results with GT5 settings, they do not mirror each other.

This.

You might be right about the settings, but it doesn't work like that in game. It's also not exactly the same for each car every time.

 

[Kirby12111]

Thanks for the base setting tweaks, will help a lot in my drift tuning.

 

[Kirby12111]

Genki Hyper Silvia SR2 '02
407 Hp
1200 kg

Tires: comfort hard
Turbo: stage 3
Aerodynamics: 10, 20
LSD: 5, 42, 60

Transmission: (Both)
1- 4.391
2- 3.051
3- 2.248
4- 1.746
5- 1.429
Final- 3.002
Max speed- 112
Real spread- 140

Suspension:
Ride hight- -10,-10
Spring rate- 7.2, 13.5
Dampers- 5,9
Compression- 5,9
Anti-roll bars- 2,6
Camber- 0.7, 0
Toe- +0.20, 0

Advantages:
Can be used in both automatic and manual with little to no difference (in automatic it won't change gears when drifting unless for a drop or raise between 2nd and 3rd gear)

Current problems:
Is hard to carry a turn after 40-60 mph. (maybe because of inexperience)

Is there any more improvements that could be made?

 

[artica]

Ever since the game came out I have never seen the hks silvia in my used dealership!!
What givesss????
I thought getting to level 27 would free it up!

 

[Kirby12111]

Complete all the A-Spec events in the hyper series I believe. If not buy it off someone.

 

[Gonales]

Unfortunately for you both, the game physics weren't designed by someone who cares what you think. You can't confuse real world results with GT5 settings, they do not mirror each other.

This.

You might be right about the settings, but it doesn't work like that in game. It's also not exactly the same for each car every time.

Yes, it IS the same. Not exactly, but the diff should be locked for best performance. If you want me to prove that to you, I will.

Complete all the A-Spec events in the hyper series I believe. If not buy it off someone.

What hyper series? rofl You need to buy it in UCD.

Ever since the game came out I have never seen the hks silvia in my used dealership!!
What givesss????
I thought getting to level 27 would free it up!

The level doesn't free up the car, because I can see higher level cars than my A or B spec allows me to buy. (IF I still had a low level. )

 

[Kirby12111]

I got it off a tick lil 24

 

[Adrenaline]

Yes, it IS the same. Not exactly, but the diff should be locked for best performance. If you want me to prove that to you, I will.

Performance is up for interpretation. For your drifting style, your setups, maybe 100% locked is best, but guess what, not everyone uses your setups, not everyone enters the corners at the same speed, angle, gear, rpm, etc as you.

There is no one size fits all. The 'best' LSD setting, is the one that allows the driver to best control their car through the entire corner. If for you that number is x/x/x then great for you, and no one is disagreeing. What we're saying, is that it's not universal for the entire world. Just because it works best for you, does not mean it works best for me.

 

[Gonales]

Performance is up for interpretation. For your drifting style, your setups, maybe 100% locked is best, but guess what, not everyone uses your setups, not everyone enters the corners at the same speed, angle, gear, rpm, etc as you.

There is no one size fits all. The 'best' LSD setting, is the one that allows the driver to best control their car through the entire corner. If for you that number is x/x/x then great for you, and no one is disagreeing. What we're saying, is that it's not universal for the entire world. Just because it works best for you, does not mean it works best for me.

I'm not saying it's the best because it works 'best' for me, but because it's most realistic, and actually gives better performance than any other setup. This is a proven fact tbh.

 

[shmogt]

I was given a bunch of tunes to add to my site and there was one for this car in there or at least close enough.

HKS Genki Hyper Silvia R2
HKS GENKI HYPER SILVIA RS2 ‘04
Power: 372kw / 1130kg

Parts to buy:
Nothing but comfort hard tires, oil change and the car, of course
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Settings:

Spring rate: 7.8/7.4
Ride height: -5/-5
Shock bound: 9/8
Shock rebound: 10/9
Camber angle: 2.6/0.8
Toe angle: 0.0/0.0
Stabilizers: 6/5

LSD Setting:
Initial Torque: 8
LSD Accel: 35
LSD Decel: 18
Brake ballance: 3/6

all aids off, ABS: 1

Downforce: 15/35

I assume it's stock transmission or just leave it with the settings you already got. Again I haven't tried this yet, but other have and say it's good. I tried other tunes from the person who made this and they were pretty good too so I would assume this should work. Here is a small how to drift tips guide I made in case it's actually you who isn't good at drifting and not the tunes. http://www.team-shmo.com/Guides/drift-tips.php

 

[Duman079]

Just drift it the way you want to. You don´t even need a mad set up to drift it. Everyone uses different settings, there is no best setting. monsterGAUZ VDC winner Supra RZ´97 is something that is tuned weird too, but he can drift it very good, I´m sure most of us couldn´t because it is set up so different.