New here

[Salar]

Hi guys, im new here
I like drawing cars very much, i have some works, you can find them below

P.S. My english isnt very good, but i try my best

Shelby Cobra:

Modified Corvette C6:

TVR Tuscan Speed 6

 

[donbenni]

Welcome to GTP

WOW, very good, i'm sure you'll fit in very well with the drawing crowd.

 

[nismo_driver]

If you added some detail to the actual lense and bulb of the headlight to the Speed 6, and a detailed brake caliper, you'd have a pretty descent pic there.

 

[Omnis]

pretty decent?

coming off a little bit arrogant, are we? your last couple of posts have been somewhat condescending. try and be a little more friendly.

salar, those are some great pics. they're not super perfect, but still very very well done. welcome to gtp.

 

[nismo_driver]

haha hey now, i meant nothing by giving a few pointers, i said it would look better, not to say it sucks and it needs this, so by saying that if you got arrogance out of it, thats up to you to decide, but anyway, they are good pictures of course.

 

[Omnis]

yeah, i understand that...

seemed a little weird though. whatever. lol.

 

[Pebb]

I remember those car drawings on Fastcar.net forum.

 

[Mr. Toad]

Hi guys, im new here
I like drawing cars very much, i have some works, you can find them below

P.S. My english isnt very good, but i try my best

Keep going Salar! Your stuff is good. Tweak and add some colour to your drawings in Photoshop.

See you Trackside,
Toad.

 

[eliseracer]

Keep going Salar! Your stuff is good. Tweak and add some colour to your drawings in Photoshop.

See you Trackside,
Toad.

I wouldn't recomend that. Doing it in Photoshop is a bad idea. Learn how to do it by hand, it will look far superior, and the technique will help you with your other skills.

Colour is briliant, but it is one of the last things you should learn. Once proportions and perspective are nailed down (he's got them pretty good, just needs some changes in spots), then light and reflections should be learned. Colour is a key thing that everyone should know how to do, I agree.

 

[Mr. Toad]

I wouldn't recomend that. Doing it in Photoshop is a bad idea. Learn how to do it by hand, it will look far superior, and the technique will help you with your other skills.

Colour is briliant, but it is one of the last things you should learn. Once proportions and perspective are nailed down (he's got them pretty good, just needs some changes in spots), then light and reflections should be learned. Colour is a key thing that everyone should know how to do, I agree.

Hello Eliseracer, I'm not to diasagree with you as all your points have been valid, but to not learn (and use) Photoshop might be a mistake.
And I don't believe I said 'do it' in Photoshop.

I agree with you that work on proportions and perspectives are key, but, Photoshop is a tool that can be used to extend the drawing experience.

Seeing that Salar has scanned and posted his drawing, he has the digital file and can easily play with different colour combinations.

They become digital comps. And at that stage he can play with light, shadow, colour, whatever.

Salar can use whatever medium(s) he chooses to use (traditional media, pencils, paper, watercolour, airbrush) or digital media or a combination of both. There really is no wrong way. Just the experience is good. Keep going.

The age old saying... practice makes....

Cheers,
Toad.

 

[eliseracer]

And I don't believe I said 'do it' in Photoshop.

Yes you did:

add some colour to your drawings in Photoshop

They become digital comps. And at that stage he can play with light, shadow, colour, whatever.

You're right, a lot of it carries over, no matter what medium. But, as an example, someone who takes good pictures in GT4's Photomode is by no means a good photographer. Someone who works with PS is no artist. If you want to make a career out of drawing cars (car design, beyond that there is no industry or jobs), there simply isn't a substitution for knowing how to do it on a piece of paper. I'm sure J Mays and Chris Bangle still pick up their pencils and jot down some sketches, so does everyone else in their departments, all of the digital engineers, the modelers etc. It's something that you should learn to do before tackling Photoshop or any other digital medium.

I have always stood by the more traditional ways of doing it. That is picking up a piece of paper and learning how to do it yourself. Not only is it better for you in the longrun, it looks far better than a Photoshopped render. And you can tell right away. Go take a look at that Prodrive concept (Auto News > A New Kind Of Supercar). It looks terrible. I could've done better. Doing it with a set of markers, pastels, airbrush or other manual mean, at that stage of development, will always look better.

Seeing that Salar has scanned and posted his drawing, he has the digital file and can easily play with different colour combinations.

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practice makes....

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do it on the piece of paper. You learn how to chose colours and how to properly apply them. If it screws up, practice. Do it again. Don't want to ruin your favorite line drawing? Learn to not become attached to your drawings, cause you're gonna have a lot of them. And a lot of them won't end up how you want them to be.

Practice. Draw every day. Draw whenever you can. Draw everything, not only cars. Just go out there and don't forget why you're doing it. Because you want to. You should never get bored of it, you can't afford to. You see it through almsot every form of art or sport, ask anyone involved. The best artists are those who do it from their heart, who do it with emotion. They do it with care. If you apply that to your drawings, to your schoolwork, to anything, you will always succeed. You get out of it no less than what you put into it.

 

[Mr. Toad]

Yes you did:

You're right, a lot of it carries over, no matter what medium. But, as an example, someone who takes good pictures in GT4's Photomode is by no means a good photographer. Someone who works with PS is no artist. If you want to make a career out of drawing cars (car design, ...

In total agreement with you.
Didn't see a link for the Prodrive article, would like to see it.

Toad

 

[Mr. Toad]

Hey Eliseracer,

I just googled "Prodrive Concept (Auto News > A new kind of supercar)"

There's a marker rendering (I believe it's marker) of a 'P2' concept car.

Is that yours? If so, Kudos!


Toad.

 

[RACECAR]

Hi guys, im new here
I like drawing cars very much, i have some works, you can find them below

P.S. My english isnt very good, but i try my best

Shelby Cobra:

Modified Corvette C6:

TVR Tuscan Speed 6

Thats some awesome art I seeing. you draw real well. I like drawing cars alot too.
if you like, I can show you some my best work. by the way, you english is pretty good.

 

[eliseracer]

Hey Eliseracer,

I just googled "Prodrive Concept (Auto News > A new kind of supercar)"

There's a marker rendering (I believe it's marker) of a 'P2' concept car.

Is that yours? If so, Kudos!


Toad.

This is what I was refering to:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=64416&page=1

No. It is not mine. That's the point I've been trying to make. That was a professional whocame up with that. You can see the whole process there. It just simply looks terrrible and ammateur. It was clearly coloured in Photoshop. Applying those same lines and colours with less obvious PS approach and better techinque would better conserve and present the design.

 

[Mr. Toad]

This is what I was refering to:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=64416&page=1

No. It is not mine. That's the point I've been trying to make. That was a professional whocame up with that. You can see the whole process there. It just simply looks terrrible and ammateur. It was clearly coloured in Photoshop. Applying those same lines and colours with less obvious PS approach and better techinque would better conserve and present the design.

Not sure what to say. My personal feeling is there's nothing wrong with that rendering. I like it. It is primarily a concept drawing, not a finished painting.

And I wish I knew who did that rendering, they're the only one who could tell us whether it was real or Memorex.

I understand what you're saying about learning to draw properly, practice and keep practicing, but Photoshop is a great tool. And there are plenty of people out there who use it as a 'natural media' painting tool.
If you combine a Wacom Tablet, Photoshop, a full set of 'Nagel Series' Brushes and some time and effort, you can work digitally and get pretty well the same results as a 'natural media' artist.

Also, in the digital world there's more room to play with with colour, etc. whereas in the natural world, you'd better be sure of that colour you're laying down, 'cause when it's down, it's down. There's no 'undo' button.

It's unfortunate that Salar hasn't hung around to listen to us discuss the issue....
(insert one of those smiley face thingies here....)

And now for something totally off-topic: I was able to touch a rare 1969 Porsche 917 on the weekend (the one Steve McQueen drove in the movie: LeMans).
Nice motor (understatement...). Just had to brag. They had to forcebly restrain me when I tried to climb in... (another smiley face thingy here).

 

[eliseracer]

Not sure what to say. My personal feeling is there's nothing wrong with that rendering. I like it. It is primarily a concept drawing, not a finished painting.

And I wish I knew who did that rendering, they're the only one who could tell us whether it was real or Memorex.

I understand what you're saying about learning to draw properly, practice and keep practicing, but Photoshop is a great tool. And there are plenty of people out there who use it as a 'natural media' painting tool.
If you combine a Wacom Tablet, Photoshop, a full set of 'Nagel Series' Brushes and some time and effort, you can work digitally and get pretty well the same results as a 'natural media' artist.

Also, in the digital world there's more room to play with with colour, etc. whereas in the natural world, you'd better be sure of that colour you're laying down, 'cause when it's down, it's down. There's no 'undo' button.

It's unfortunate that Salar hasn't hung around to listen to us discuss the issue....
(insert one of those smiley face thingies here....)

And now for something totally off-topic: I was able to touch a rare 1969 Porsche 917 on the weekend (the one Steve McQueen drove in the movie: LeMans).
Nice motor (understatement...). Just had to brag. They had to forcebly restrain me when I tried to climb in... (another smiley face thingy here).

Take a look at any other professional level car rendering, it will look better than that rendering, no matter what level of design completion. I mean, come on, if you're including fully modeled wheels and brakes, do a better effort on the surfacing. I can see where the gradient tool started and finished, it's very disappointing, actually.

The main reason why I still defend a hand rendered piece is that I am not rich. Nor are my parents. There is no way that I could ever have the latest copy of Photoshop, a decent sized Wacon tablet and a processor powerful enough to run any of it. That's several thousand dollars, right there...

There is no undo button, I know. Another good example is how abundant standard film still is in professional photography. Digital is great, I know, but in the end, computers will never fully eclipse the real thing. There is no undo button, that is how we learn how to do it properly the first time.

It is a shame that more people don't pay attention to this art. The only positive thing about the lack of attention is that there will be more job openings when we all eventually get there.

Next weekend, get back to me on the rare cars, I'll have seen a ton. Gotta love the Grand Prix weekend... Last year I got promised a drive (meaning I drive) in an '89 Testarossa. I can't wait.

 

[Mr. Toad]

Take a look at any other professional level car rendering, it will look better than that rendering, no matter what level of design completion. I mean, come on, if you're including fully modeled wheels and brakes, do a better effort on the surfacing. I can see where the gradient tool started and finished, it's very disappointing, actually.

The main reason why I still defend a hand rendered piece is that I am not rich. Nor are my parents. There is no way that I could ever have the latest copy of Photoshop, a decent sized Wacon tablet and a processor powerful enough to run any of it. That's several thousand dollars, right there...

There is no undo button, I know. Another good example is how abundant standard film still is in professional photography. Digital is great, I know, but in the end, computers will never fully eclipse the real thing. There is no undo button, that is how we learn how to do it properly the first time.

It is a shame that more people don't pay attention to this art. The only positive thing about the lack of attention is that there will be more job openings when we all eventually get there.

Next weekend, get back to me on the rare cars, I'll have seen a ton. Gotta love the Grand Prix weekend... Last year I got promised a drive (meaning I drive) in an '89 Testarossa. I can't wait.

I'm going to agree with you on some things... but...

I'm sure the client was happy with the final rendering. In the commercial art world that's primarily the focus. Hopefully they got what they wanted.

I also appreciate your defending the age old tradition of drawing. It is the root.
I am also a true believer in the digital world. I prefer digital cameras over film, and would rather illustrate, design or paint something digitally over manually 'on the board'.
There are infinitely more ways to play with something on a system (that's just me yammering on about how I like to 'get creative', a traditional artist may beg to differ) .

This comes back to what I related to Salar. He has the drawing, he scanned it, maybe he should download a trial version of Photoshop and play for 30 days. Then (if the likes) go out and get a student version, or a bundled 'light' version. Or not. It's up to him.

It's also true that things cost, and what it may come down to is "what do I spend my money on?", a new thingamajig that all you do is play with - or pens, paper, used computers, used Wacoms, begged and borrowed stuff 'to create'.
I think you (and Salar) are more than likely the latter.

And you don't want me to get into a '3d models will one day take over the world' rant... because (I believe) it's just a matter of time. One day, there will be a Photomode for the whole blinking planet.

There are still lots of 'creative' jobs out there (for those who want them).

As for the GP weekend... even a fenderbender in the Ferrari will cost you more than a few 'high end systems', so "keep it clean". Which GPW? Aus? UK?

 

[eliseracer]

Canada. I won't drive it fast, although the driver will surely want me to, he's that kind of guy

I've been throwing around some ideas for starting a new "Design Competition", like the Subaru one going on now. How about redesigning the Lotus Europa? How does that sound for a challenge...

 

[Mr. Toad]

Canada. I won't drive it fast, although the driver will surely want me to, he's that kind of guy

Now that's funny... here I thought you were halfway across the planet and now I see we're in the same country. West Coast here (B.C.).
You're in la belle Province! Been there, done that... several times.
I assume you're in Montreal. Excellent place, actually the whole Province is great.

I've been throwing around some ideas for starting a new "Design Competition", like the Subaru one going on now. How about redesigning the Lotus Europa? How does that sound for a challenge...

I think I'd try that...

 

[eliseracer]

Yeah Quebec roads suck though. West Coast seems to have a lot of budding car designers. It must be that Vancouver 'air'

 

[Mr. Toad]

Yeah Quebec roads suck though. West Coast seems to have a lot of budding car designers. It must be that Vancouver 'air'

They do. 6 months of sludge, 6 months of roller coasters (with pot holes).
Yaah mon, the air is sweeter out here...

 

[Salar]

Thank you all for your comments !

Here are more of my works

Design for the next Viper:

'05 Shelby GT500

Viper:

 

[Salar]

They do. 6 months of sludge, 6 months of roller coasters (with pot holes).
Yaah mon, the air is sweeter out here...

Do you live in Vancouver as well?

I live in North Shore, how about you?
And im actually a new comer here, been here for only 10 months, pretty nice city

Thats some awesome art I seeing. you draw real well. I like drawing cars alot too.
if you like, I can show you some my best work. by the way, you english is pretty good.

Well yeah, post 'em!

 

[Mr. Toad]

Do you live in Vancouver as well?

I live in North Shore, how about you?
And im actually a new comer here, been here for only 10 months, pretty nice city

Good to see ya back Salar, I'm east of Vanc., The 'burbs. About 45 k away.

Keep sending the pics, although I think the moderators would prefer you use Imageshack to post the images...

Eliseracer and I have been debating how you should carry your stuff forward, I believe the concensus is that you should keep going with the drawings but we differ in the finishing. Digital vs. Manual. It came to a draw... ha-ha...

Anyways, it's all up to you, right?

 

[eliseracer]

Right on. Keep your arm loose, try to get a looser feel to your artwork. Draw from your shoulder and not with your fingers or wrist.

 

[Mr. Toad]

Right on. Keep your arm loose, try to get a looser feel to your artwork. Draw from your shoulder and not with your fingers or wrist.

Now I know why my fingers and wrist hurt...

 

[RACECAR]

Do you live in Vancouver as well?

I live in North Shore, how about you?
And im actually a new comer here, been here for only 10 months, pretty nice city


Well yeah, post 'em!

I've got the art but I don't know how to get my pictures on the computer and post them so tell me how to do it.