Next Honda CR-Z May Get CTR Turbo Engine

[CodeRedR51]

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/03/18/next-gen-cr-z-turbo-four-report/

The new CR-Z would reportedly be slightly larger and would be based on a shortened version of the next-gen Civic's platform. Car and Driver even speculates a possible branding change to become the Civic CR-Z. The most encouraging change for performance fans, though, is the coupe finally ditching the IMA hybrid in this market in favor of the 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder from the European Civic Type R. The engine would allegedly be detuned to around 280 horsepower for this application from the 306 hp in the CTR.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Finally Honda has realized that they're losing their traditional share of hot hatch segment.

 

[YSSMAN]

Great that Honda wants to make the CR-Z a legitimate sports car, but I think they're missing the point, again.

People want a cheap, fun-to-drive, sports car from Honda. Yes, a Fiesta RS competitor will be fun, but I'd be even more happy with a healthy 160 BHP from a 1.5L turbo that can be had for $19k. That'd be a return to what Honda should be doing, and should have done from the start.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Great that Honda wants to make the CR-Z a legitimate sports car, but I think they're missing the point, again.

People want a cheap, fun-to-drive, sports car from Honda. Yes, a Fiesta RS competitor will be fun, but I'd be even more happy with a healthy 160 BHP from a 1.5L turbo that can be had for $19k. That'd be a return to what Honda should be doing, and should have done from the start.

Japan gets a 1.5L turbo with 200hp according to the article. Honda will also be putting the 1.5L turbo into the next gen Civic with, what they said, "similar power numbers to the current 2.0L & 2.4L."

 

[FT-1]

Honda could just call it the CRX. This is what the CR-Z should have been in the first place, a compact sports car with the engine from a Civic Si/Type R.

 

[YSSMAN]

Japan gets a 1.5L turbo with 200hp according to the article. Honda will also be putting the 1.5L turbo into the next gen Civic with, what they said, "similar power numbers to the current 2.0L & 2.4L."

That seems exceptionally high, but, I'm all for it. I was just thinking of taking the 1.5L in the Fit, slapping on a little turbo visa-vie the GM 1.4T, and getting enough boost to be fun, but not enough to get you in trouble.

Hell, lets just do that to the Fit. I'd be happy with that.

 

[Tornado]

Oh look. That thing Honda should have done 5 years ago.

 

[Roger the Horse]

They're sticking a Yellowbird engine in it ?!

Oh...

 

[Epic B]

Oh look. That thing Honda should have done 5 years ago.

Exactly. What I think Honda should have done in the first place is put in the engine of the Civic Si. With about 200 horsepower and the car's lowish weight (It'd probably be lighter without the hybrid gear), it would make for a decent car, and one that would be more worthy of being a spiritual successor to the CR-X. They could have at least sold it alongside the hybrid, if not in place of. But putting in the Civic Type R engine, detuned or not, is even better. But I'd still be totally fine with the Civic Si engine.

They're sticking a Yellowbird engine in it ?!

Oh...

They're actually putting in the CTR3 engine, which has way more power than the Yellow Bird engine.

 

[Tornado]

Honda could just call it the CRX. This is what the CR-Z should have been in the first place, a compact sports car with the engine from a Civic Si/Type R.

I would even say that I think, if this rumor is true, that they shouldn't put the Type R engine in the CR-Z instead of the hybrid drivetrain, but in addition to it. That's why I felt the old CR-Z was so underutilized. Fantastic chassis being fed nowhere near as much power as it could take, even though Honda had a drivetrain that would have worked and also gone along with the hybrid goals they already had. A Civic Si that gets the same fuel mileage as the Civic Hybrid?



It actually surprises me somewhat that the CR-Z is coming back, though, since the Insight they spread costs around with (presumably) won't be.

 

[05XR8]

Spoon are back in businessssss.

 

[Legro]

So, they're doing the opposite mistake on the new CR-Z. The first one was not hot enough, this one is too hot to compete where there's something to compete. 1.6 Turbo hybrid with about 200 hp in the current CR-Z size one, would be great for competing in the small hot hatch group.

 

[Nessy]

Sounds like it would make a nice alternative to a Peugeot RCZ, or something along those lines.

 

[Grayfox]

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/03/18/next-gen-cr-z-turbo-four-report/

I doubt you guys will get the type R civic for a few reasons.

The Honda civic hatchback has not been sold in the US for how long?
The Civic Type R was last sold in the US when?
From what i have seen, not many Japanese performance hatchbacks in the US
The civic type R will be a 5 door hatch unlike the FN2 which was a 3 door hatch
Even the current 8.5gen civic hatch which has the L13A petrol engine, R18A petrol and N16A diesel engine all these engines are eco based.

It will be a suprise if the 9th gen type R will be sold in the US and if it is, it will be expensive since it is made in swindon, UK so it has to come by boat.

 

[Grayfox]

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[Legro]

From what i have seen, not many Japanese performance hatchbacks in the US

There aren't many Japanese hot hatches anywhere.

 

[Grandea GTR]

I doubt you guys will get the type R civic for a few reasons.

The Honda civic hatchback has not been sold in the US for how long?
The Civic Type R was last sold in the US when?
From what i have seen, not many Japanese performance hatchbacks in the US
The civic type R will be a 5 door hatch unlike the FN2 which was a 3 door hatch
Even the current 8.5gen civic hatch which has the L13A petrol engine, R18A petrol and N16A diesel engine all these engines are eco based.

It will be a suprise if the 9th gen type R will be sold in the US and if it is, it will be expensive since it is made in swindon, UK so it has to come by boat.

The closest to a Civic Type-R we had in the states what's the Si hatchback.

We may not exactly get the Civic Type-R in the states, but we will get some sort of Civic with the turbo engine.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I doubt you guys will get the type R civic for a few reasons.

The Honda civic hatchback has not been sold in the US for how long?
The Civic Type R was last sold in the US when?
From what i have seen, not many Japanese performance hatchbacks in the US
The civic type R will be a 5 door hatch unlike the FN2 which was a 3 door hatch
Even the current 8.5gen civic hatch which has the L13A petrol engine, R18A petrol and N16A diesel engine all these engines are eco based.

It will be a suprise if the 9th gen type R will be sold in the US and if it is, it will be expensive since it is made in swindon, UK so it has to come by boat.

That has nothing to do with the article...

 

[Anthony]

I wonder what the pricing will be like. An mk7 GTI with only 210hp can easily hit $30k with a few extras, so unless Honda does a very basic version I can easily see the new CR-Z hitting $35k. That is A LOT for a hot hatch, and I don't see it doing very well. Not when you can get a V8 Mustang or a WRX for the same money.

 

[homeforsummer]

It actually surprises me somewhat that the CR-Z is coming back, though, since the Insight they spread costs around with (presumably) won't be.

If it's not a hybrid this time then that presumably won't be much of an issue - and both were based on the Fit originally so that's the volume car to spread costs across. And I suppose they still do a Fit Hybrid in Japan, so if there's going to be a hybrid CR-Z too then that's where the drivetrain comes from.

Anyway, I'm glad the CR-Z is returning. I seem to be in a minority but having actually driven the original one, I really liked it. It wasn't fast but ~9sec to 60 is peppy at least and it had that typical Honda willingness to rev/great gearbox that makes them fun to thrash even when they aren't fast.

The biggest problem in the UK was cost, because the £/yen exchange rate was awful while it was on sale. It started off as a ~£18k car and ended up a £21k one, when the things sell for the equivalent of £12k or something in Japan.

I'd still quite like a used one at some point. They look great and there are lots of bits around with which to jazz them up. Would make a fun commuter/occasional track toy.

 

[YSSMAN]

The Honda civic hatchback has not been sold in the US for how long?

2002-2005 was the last Civic hatch that we got, as the Civic Si. According to Jalopnik today, we're apparently getting the hatch as early as calendar year 2016.

The Civic Type R was last sold in the US when?

We never got the Civic Type-R, but did get the Integra Type-R from 1995-2001. But, it is a brand name that is very well-known in the 'States.

From what i have seen, not many Japanese performance hatchbacks in the US
The civic type R will be a 5 door hatch unlike the FN2 which was a 3 door hatch
Even the current 8.5gen civic hatch which has the L13A petrol engine, R18A petrol and N16A diesel engine all these engines are eco based.

Its generally easier to just think about the overall disappearance of affordable Japanese performance cars. Outside of the WRX/STi, there isn't much to compete against the likes of what Ford has flooded the market with over the past few years. If there was a brand to fix that trend, Honda would be a great one (even if I'd rather have a Mazda). In general in the US, however, five-door hatchbacks tend to sell a bit better, so that kind of layout wouldn't matter much.

...In terms of engines here, everythings Eco-oriented with them now, and they're slapping CVTs on a lot of their models. Granted, their CVT is pretty clever, but, the Eco "Earth Dreams" hibbitybibbity is the same thing everywhere.

It will be a suprise if the 9th gen type R will be sold in the US and if it is, it will be expensive since it is made in swindon, UK so it has to come by boat.

Depends. If Honda sees the opportunity, they could do it. They did it with the last Civic Si, that sold reasonably well, I think the extra overhead on one of those Type-Rs would be enough to warrant trying it for a little while.

 

[Grandea GTR]

We never got the Civic Type-R, but did get the Integra Type-R from 1995-2001.

We did?

 

[CodeRedR51]

We did?

Yep, goofy looking headlights and all.

2002-2005 was the last Civic hatch that we got, as the Civic Si. According to Jalopnik today, we're apparently getting the hatch as early as calendar year 2016.

Link? Last I head we were not getting the whole car, just the engine. (hence this thread)

Edit: It's on Autoblog now.

 

[Grayfox]

Yep, goofy looking headlights and all.

I like the DC2 with those headlights than the rectangular ones the japanese got.

 

[homeforsummer]

I like the DC2 with those headlights than the rectangular ones the japanese got.

Likewise - the UK only ever got the Integra with those lights, so to me that's just what an Integra-R looks like and the rectangular-light ones look a bit odd to me.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I suppose it was to comply with some perfunctory federal mandate. The JDM lights look faaaar better, IMO:

Then again...I'm a big fan of horizontal motifs in cars....

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Hmm.. Maybe Honda should revive "Del Sol" as well, and make that the missing link. 1.6 turbo, 210bhp, targa top.

 

[YSSMAN]

I'm game for a cheap convertible that's fun to drive - that isn't an MX-5.

Thing is, since every other convertible is pretty much extinct in that category, with exception to the 500C, I think we'll have to wait and see how that Buick Cascada does later this year.

 

[Roger the Horse]

I think we'll have to wait and see how that Buick Cascada does.

It's a Vauxhall Astra with the roof chopped off. Don't expect anything special.

 

[YSSMAN]

It's a Vauxhall Astra with the roof chopped off. Don't expect anything special.

Well, expecting the Cascada to be anything more than a stylish convertible is pretty much the beginning and end of it for Buick. Chrysler, Volvo, and Volkswagen have all gotten out of the four-seat convertible market within the past year or so. My guess is that GM is shaving off some excess capacity, throwing on some Buick badges, and just saying, "Here you go!" Doesn't need to be great, just needs to be good enough.

They did the same thing with the Encore a few years back, turned out to be a hit, now everyone's getting in the compact crossover segment. If the Cascada takes off, I'd expect a couple more to pop up eventually. A Del Sol would be great.