Nissan Skyline (R33) GT-R Prototype 1993

[BJahalt88]

Engine: 2.6-liter Nissan RB26DETT Inline-6 twin-turbo.
Power: 543 hp (405 kW) @ 7,600 rpm.
Torque: 361 lb-ft (490 Nm) @ 5,000 rpm.
Transmission: 5-speed manual.
Drivetrain: ATTESA E-TS all-wheel-drive.
Weight: 2,777 lbs (1,260 kg).

http://www.supercars.net/blog/1993-nissan-skyline-gt-r-prototype/
http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/HERITAGE/skyline_gt-r_bcnr33.html
http://oldconceptcars.com/1930-2004/nissan-skyline-gt-r-prototype-bcnr33-1993/

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[DSX8]

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Engine: 2.6-liter RB26DETT Inline-6.
Power: 543 hp (405 kW) @ 7,600 rpm.
Torque: 361 lb-ft (490 Nm) @ 5,000 rpm.
Transmission: 5-speed manual.
Drivetrain: ATTESA E-TS 4WD.
Weight: 2,777 lbs (1,260 kg).

http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/HERITAGE/skyline_gt-r_bcnr33.html
http://oldconceptcars.com/1930-2004/nissan-skyline-gt-r-prototype-bcnr33-1993/

Now explain to me and everyone else here why you would like to see yet another Skyline duplicate being featured in Gran Turismo.

 

[SVX]

Now explain to me and everyone else here why you would like to see yet another Skyline duplicate being featured in Gran Turismo.

I didn't realize a ~200hp increase in power made it the same car...

 

[DSX8]

I didn't realize a ~200hp increase in power made it the same car...

Tuning makes that obsolete.

 

[SVX]

Tuning makes that obsolete.

That does not make the car a duplicate.

The definition for duplicate:

duplicate
adjective
ˈdjuːplɪkət/

1. 1.
   exactly like something else, especially through having been copied.

And as I explained, it had 200hp than the production version, hence it is not a duplicate as it is not the exact same.

Also, comparing it to the production version, the lower half of the front bumper is different.

 

[DSX8]

That does not make the car a duplicate.

The definition for duplicate:

Also, comparing it to the production version, the lower half of the front bumper is different.

Duplicate is just a general term the people wrongly use to describe any car that look a like in Gran Turismo, there's essentially no duplicate car IRL as they all have their differences but in a game like GT those differences make very little changes or are just too small to be not be unnoticed at first glance.

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And as I explained, it had 200hp than the production version, hence it is not a duplicate as it is not the exact same.

Again:

Tuning makes that obsolete.

 

[JR98]

550HP in 1993? I find that very hard to believe as the 2012 Nissan GT-R only has 550HP.

 

[Bo]

550HP in 1993? I find that very hard to believe as the 2012 Nissan GT-R only has 550HP.

What's hard to believe about it? It's a prototype. It's powerful, but it's not that powerful.

 

[JR98]

What's hard to believe about it? It's a prototype. It's powerful, but it's not that powerful.

I get that it's a prototype but I find it hard to believe a (likely Twin Turbo) 2.6 Inline 6 can produce that much power in 1993 and the Nissan GT-R with a Twin Turbo 3.8 V6 produces the same power in 2012.

 

[TS050]

I get that it's a prototype but I find it hard to believe a (likely Twin Turbo) 2.6 Inline 6 can produce that much power in 1993 and the Nissan GT-R with a Twin Turbo 3.8 V6 produces the same power in 2012.

It is an RB26DETT after all- we all know that those are highly tunable engines. Getting 550bhp out of that it fairly easy.

 

[SVX]

RB26s have the capability to go to ~800hp on the standard block (iirc), maybe even more. Much the same with the 2JZ. This was achieved not long after they came out. Take a look at Mid Night, Top Secret, etc.

Duplicate is just a general term the people wrongly use to describe any car that look a like in Gran Turismo, there's essentially no duplicate car IRL as they all have their differences but in a game like GT those differences make very little changes or are just too small to be not be unnoticed at first glance.

The thing is that it's not a duplicate. A duplicate is when there'd be something of the exact specs, look the same, and have the same physics. There's a difference to having something of the exact same in twice (duplicate) to something being included that's highly different in real life but has no difference due to the under-developed nature of the physics of GT.

Wait... your statement made no sense at all. In fact, all it did was prove me right...

Again:

What's the point of an N/A MR2 and supercharged one, then? I'd understand if it was something like 5hp, but it's nearly doubling the power.

 

[JR98]

It is an RB26DETT after all- we all know that those are highly tunable engines. Getting 550bhp out of that it fairly easy.

Suppose so, Just never thought Nissan would attempt to put that much power in a Skyline in 1993. With that power and weight it'd be one of the fastest cars of the early 90's (considering the McLaren F1 only has about 80HP more than this).

 

[DSX8]

Wait... your statement made no sense at all. In fact, all it did was prove me right...

Indeed. I also wrongly use the term "duplicate" to describe some cars, but that doesn't change the fact that the addtion of this car to the game would be nearly useless.

You are right about it not being a duplicate, but you still cannot prove the car in question adds little to nothing to the game when we all could simply buy a a normal R33 and tune it to 550 hp (the front bumper would still be different, but that detail is so miserable...).

 

[SVX]

Indeed. I also wrongly use the term "duplicate" to describe some cars, but that doesn't change the fact that the addtion of this car to the game would be nearly useless.

You are right about it not being a duplicate, but you still cannot prove the car in question adds little to nothing to the game.

I never said anything about it being pointless, all I was stating is that is not a dupe of anything.

I for one would appreciate it - I never knew this car existed until tonight, and it's different enough from the standard R33 to gain my interest. Would I say for it to have priority from other cars to come to the series? No, but if it's there, I wouldn't grumble.

Suppose so, Just never thought Nissan would attempt to put that much power in a Skyline in 1993. With that power and weight it'd be one of the fastest cars of the early 90's (considering the McLaren F1 only has about 80HP more than this).

Reason: Prototype. It'd blow everything away seeing as all of the Japanese performance cars back then had '276hp', which would raise quite a few eyebrows...

Seeing that it's an RB26 the only difference to the standard model would most likely be down to ECU tuning and boost levels.

 

[JR98]

Reason: Prototype. It'd blow everything away seeing as all of the Japanese performance cars back then had '276hp', which would raise quite a few eyebrows...

Seeing that it's an RB26 the only difference to the standard model would most likely be down to ECU tuning and boost levels.

So the R33 could have potentially, if Nissan bothered to pull it off, had around 500HP if it wasn't for the 276HP agreement that started in 1989...

 

[SVX]

So the R33 could have potentially, if Nissan bothered to pull it off, had around 500HP if it wasn't for the 276HP agreement that started in 1989...

It could have had even more, same with the R34, R32, Supra, etc...

 

[JR98]

It could have had even more, same with the R34, R32, Supra, etc...

Too bad. These cars had such amazing engines that could have had insane horsepower figures but the 276 agreement stopped the manufacturers from capitalizing on them...

 

[Bo]

had around 500HP if it wasn't for the 276HP agreement that started in 1989...

The one that was never really stuck to you mean?

These cars had such amazing engines that could have had insane horsepower figures but the 276 agreement stopped the manufacturers from capitalizing on them...

No car under the agreement had exactly 276hp. Look at performance figures and see if they stack up. R34s probably erred on the 400hp side at the end of their lifespan.

 

[SVX]

I think you misunderstood me Jason - a potential reason the production R33 did not come out with 500 hp wasn't because they had to have 276hp, but rather 500hp would be far to disproportionate to the rule compared to it's rivals. ~50 or so hp didn't make much of a difference (even less when most were at least 300hp, even the family Legacy twin turbos had over 276hp), but double that would completely change the game.

I'd also imagine it'd eat up into NISMO's and other tuning shop's business.

No car under the agreement had exactly 276hp. Look at performance figures and see if they stack up. R34s probably erred on the 400hp side at the end of their lifespan.

330... 336hp if I recall correctly.

 

[JR98]

The one that was never really stuck to you mean?

No car under the agreement had exactly 276hp. Look at performance figures and see if they stack up. R34s probably erred on the 400hp side at the end of their lifespan.

Most cars under the agreement (Supra, NSX, GT-R, RX-7) had between 260-330HP with the R34 V-Spec II Nur 2002 being the highest with 330HP, the RZ Supra IV had about 320HP, Impreza WRX STI and Evo's had 301HP, RX-7 had 260-280HP and the NSX had 295HP. Performance slightly varied between each model, particularly the RX-7 which had 261HP in 1991 and ended up with 280HP in 2002.

 

[SVX]

Most cars under the agreement (Supra, NSX, GT-R, RX-7) had between 260-330HP with the R34 V-Spec II Nur 2002 being the highest with 330HP, the RZ Supra IV had about 320HP, Impreza WRX STI and Evo's had 301HP, RX-7 had 260-280HP and the NSX had 295HP. Performance slightly varied between each model, particularly the RX-7 which had 261HP in 1991 and ended up with 280HP in 2002.

I'm kind of struggling to find out what the point of this post was... @hsv just said that...

 

[Matej]

Has anyone noticed the weight value? According to the OP, the car weighs 1260kg, way below what traditional GT-R models could offer. Prototypes and concepts are usually much potent than their future, road-going counterparts, which is why I'm not surprised to see such power.

Its power-to-weight ratio is as competitive as that of the fastest GT-R models, the Mine's and the Nismo's R Tune. However, with that said, the R33 Proto. wouldn't be as popular as the two because it is not that distinctive.

 

[CORRUPTEDDISC]

This cars relevance would depend (for me anyway) on its tuning potential. If it has 540+ horses but ends up like a Mine's R34 for instance - with less power than the regular R34 when fully tuned, then I'm not interested, since my R33 already weighs around the same and runs 909 horsepower. If however, those initial gains contribute toward its fully tuned state (I.e. The extra c.260 bhp carries up to a total when tuned of 1,169 bhp instead of the current 909) then I'd be interested.

I doubt that it would be though, unfortunately.

 

[Lubeify100]

This is very interesting! Would've taken the R32 route in terms of looks

 

[Epic B]

Now explain to me and everyone else here why you would like to see yet another Skyline duplicate being featured in Gran Turismo.

Because this is different from many of the other Skylines. It's also more powerful than a regular R33. And it looks different.

 

[tankuroded]

Also, comparing it to the production version, the lower half of the front bumper is different.

Don't forget the R32 grille.

 

[SVX]

Don't forget the R32 grille.

Yeah, I noticed that when I had another look.

 

[karelpipa]

I like how high is the ground clearance, almost like SUV by todays standards

 

[Overload_35]

I really want it in game <3