no spring value in stock xantia

[sucahyo]

Just notice that spring rate value not displayed in Citroen Xantia 3.0i V6 Exclusive. (2.5/1.9). Because the real one use active suspension?


Any other car like this too?

 

[Pupik]

First one that I've noticed; sort of like the non-existant stabilizers on some cars (R390, Elise GT1).

Once you're used to the physics model, Xantias aren't all that hard to drive stock, I noticed.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

This is from my site:

Since the 70's (or perhaps even before the 70's, Citroën's trademark has been their hydraulic suspension, which is air-cushioned, and doesn't use the conventional coil springs or torsion bars you'd normally find in like 99% of the world's other cars. When at rest, Citroëns can be lowered-sort of like a lowrider you'd see nowadays...

Another car in GT2 with no springs is the Mini. Check it out...it has what are called "hydrolastic springs" that are filled with fluid. The Mini has a max ride of 105mm, too, which is why they corner so precisely when stock.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

double post

 

[sucahyo]

Interesting 👍. I should test drive it .

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Interesting 👍. I should test drive it .

And? Any news?

 

[Sniffs]

Parnelli's right. I believe it's right there in the car literature for Cit's that they use "gas spheres" or something. but the mini one is new on me.

 

[sucahyo]

And? Any news?

It doesn't feel like FF . I will drive it again to post more detail........

Edit: Mini feel oversteer at midcorner, even at wide open throttle it will continue to turn at command. But if we are not carefull it can tail slide, which will reduce speed much and hard to recover because it's low power.

The handling do not change much when we equip it with fully custom suspension. It will still oversteer. increasing front stabilizer or reducing rear help reducing oversteer but also make turn-in more understeer.

Nice car handling overal .

 

[Scaff]

OOOH I KNOW! MISTER KOTTER!!

This is from my site:

Since the 70's (or perhaps even before the 70's, Citroën's trademark has been their hydraulic suspension, which is air-cushioned, and doesn't use the conventional coil springs or torsion bars you'd normally find in like 99% of the world's other cars. When at rest, Citröens can be lowered-sort of like a lowrider you'd see nowadays...

Close, but no cigar.

Citreon's trade-mark suspension system is not air based, but Hydropneumatic, that is its fluid based and not air based. It was also used as long ago as the 1950's, first on the Traction Avant (just at the rear) and then on the DS (front and rear) and has featured on a wide range of Citreon models to this day, I have owned a few different Citroen models with this very system.

Air suspension is far simpler to manufacture, but not as effective. As a side note Citreon do licence the system to a number of manufacturers, including in the past Rolls Royce who used it in addition to traditional spring/damper layouts.

More info here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydropneumatic

Regards

Scaff

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Close, but no cigar.

Citreon's trade-mark suspension system is not air based, but Hydropneumatic, that is its fluid based and not air based. It was also used as long ago as the 1950's, first on the Traction Avant (just at the rear) and then on the DS (front and rear) and has featured on a wide range of Citreon models to this day, I have owned a few different Citroen models with this very system.

Air suspension is far simpler to manufacture, but not as effective. As a side note Citreon do licence the system to a number of manufacturers, including in the past Rolls Royce who used it in addition to traditional spring/damper layouts.

More info here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydropneumatic

Regards

Scaff

Wow....I just got told!

 

[Scaff]

Wow....i just got told!

I a nice way I hope (as that was the intention).



Scaff

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I a nice way I hope (as that was the intention).



Scaff

Slam-DUNK upside yo hed, Parnello!! Dayum. Nah, I just kidding