No used cars

[JohnBM01]

All this talk about starting off with used and working with bigger and better stuff kind of reminds me of starting out in the SCCA. I'm not a part of it (don't even have a license), but for those who don't have the finances to go racing, they can rent race cars or purchase used cars for certain levels of SCCA competition.

LeadSlead, you'll likely be surprised to know how hardcore GT gamers can be. We look for the most realistic experience for a game about realism. Some want the most true-to-life experience without actually leaving the house or leaving the DualShock 2 alone. Perhaps PD can think of ways to work around certain ideas outside of PD's legal boundaries and offer as much of an experience to gamers who really want to actually feel like they own a car rather than just have a car to beat the game with. In this case, PD may think of some GT Auto option where you look over your engine and buy a new motor to install. I don't think crate motors will be an option, but maybe over time, your engine will take damage. If the gauge is getting low, you could be in trouble. So you'll have to head to GT Auto to either repair the engine or purchase a new motor for it with the same specifications. And perhaps to make things easier, you'll get money back for all engine tuning for it. So if you modded up the engine for about as much as a Dodge Viper, you'll get maybe 1/2 or 1/4 of all your engine tuning. This is all your call, of course.

I think PD can get around this. If they don't fully implement damage, is there still a way PD can get around this? If so, what other alternatives do they have? If no, would you like to have a fully-beaten engine or some sort of monitor for engine performance and engine wear?

 

[McLaren]

Roughly how many? I can't seem to remember any at all.

In real life, if you compare the price of American cars to Japanese cars at a "certain" budget, say $12,000, it's a 90% chance the Japanese car will be cheaper than the American car.

Used Vs Used, New Vs. New, the Japanese car will usually be cheaper, so in a way....GT4 is a little bit realistic on this issue.

 

[Disturbed07]

wow, I came in expecting something to have been said, but instead I'm not even sure if anything was.
Clearly JohnBMO - you have a problem with LeadSlead, but do you know what it is? You just told him how surprised he'd be at how hard-core a GT player can get...after he said that people on here are hardcore gamers... What in the holy crap are trying to prove? what makes you assume your more hardcore than him?
And in the mix of your sentance fragments, and lack of paragraph's, you start somewhere rambling about crate motors? Is this supposed to have to do with LeadSlead as well? Are you drunk? you sound certainly maybe what? like that. get some over here too
A lot of time your opinions are agreed with, and at least respected, but right now I have no idea what your doing, or saying, or what your beef is with LeadSlead.
But I am tired of hearing about it - since the first day I joined here, you've been bashing everything he says, whether or not it has to do with you, the whole while claiming he's not respecting your opinion.
I could guess what it is if he has a problem with you, but your problem with him? I don't think I'll ever know

 

[Disturbed07]

In real life, if you compare the price of American cars to Japanese cars at a "certain" budget, say $12,000, it's a 90% chance the Japanese car will be cheaper than the American car.

Used Vs Used, New Vs. New, the Japanese car will usually be cheaper, so in a way....GT4 is a little bit realistic on this issue.

are you suggesting that you can name 9 Japanese cars cheaper if I name 1? I'll bet I can name 2, You'll then need to name 18, so maybe I'll name 3. After that, I'm right and the Japanese cars arent any cheaper, at least not 90%

 

[McLaren]

Compare a used Civic to a used Camaro. Who's going to be cheaper 90% of the time.

Compare a used Supra to a used Viper.
Compare a new 350Z to a new Corvette.

Who's cheaper?

I don't know where you're getting this whole "for every 1 American car, there's 9 Japanese car" crap.

 

[Dave A]

At a guess it's because you said theres a 90% chance and he misinterpreted it as theres 9 cheaper Japanese cars for every 1 US car. There are some good deals with American cars in America though but generaly, yeah a Japanese car is cheaper. Look at the prices of Subaru Impreza's and Mitsubishi Lancer Evo's over here and it's the same thing. They arn't far off an M3 performance wise but you can have one of the top spec ones for aroud £15k less. Again there are exeptions, overe here theres plenty really because of all the smaller car companies we have in the UK, theres hundereds that will offer fantastic value sportscars ect, but comparing prices with whats more mainstream and the general trend is that Japanese cars are cheaper.

 

[Disturbed07]

Compare a used Civic to a used Camaro. Who's going to be cheaper 90% of the time.

Compare a used Supra to a used Viper.
Compare a new 350Z to a new Corvette.

Who's cheaper?

I don't know where you're getting this whole "for every 1 American car, there's 9 Japanese car" crap.

A sunfire's cheaper than a NSX, what's your point?
you wanna name unrelated cars? or name the more expensive American cars? come on, get real.
How's this

Look up
00 Sunfire - 00 Civic comparable cars
350Z? corvette? kidding right? are those cars equal in any way? how about a wait, there are no American cars made like a 350Z, so that's out
A Viper? how about an NSX? yep, and the Viper will kick the unholy, overpriced crap out of it too
A supra to a viper, get outta here, you must have been kidding, a civic and a camaro? wtf?
how about a TT Supra and a Camaro?

How about if you wanna play the game, you pick as close to equal cars as you can? how stupid do you think everyone here is? I am amazed....really

My point was, I can name an American car in the same class thats cheaper than a Japanese car in that class, then you'll have to name 9, in order to have 90% of Japanese cars be cheaper - guess what? I just named 3, now you'd have to find 27 Japanese cars that are cheaper than their American competition - Good Luck!

P.S., If you really want, we can both name all kinds of misfit cars that are cheaper than the other, like
A 96 300ZX and a Grand Am- which is cheaper? oh yeah, that's rediculas, nevermind
so now, any cheapers cars for real? name em if you got em

Live4speed---If he says there's a 90$ chance they are cheaper, that absolutly means that 9 out of 10 would be cheaper --- if only 5 out of 10 are cheaper, then it's only a 50% chance, you see now? if there's that high of a chance, there's has to be that ratio, this is math, it never ever changes

 

[McLaren]

A Viper whoop and NSX's ass?

Maybe in a straight line.

I can find Supra TTs cheaper than a Viper.
I'm sure you can Civics cheaper than a Sunfire.
And you did misineterpret it.

Compare the Supra to the Viper, 90% of the time, its cheaper. That's what I meant.

My original comment meant was that 90% of the time, Japanese cars are usually the cheaper cars around.
I'm not going to waste my time naming 9 cars for your dumb Camaro or Corvette that are cheaper as it depends on many elements...you can do that yourself and waste your d*mn time.

 

[Disturbed07]

A Viper whoop and NSX's ass?

Maybe in a straight line.

I can find Supra TTs cheaper than a Viper.
I'm sure you can Civics cheaper than a Sunfire.
And you did misineterpret it.

Compare the Supra to the Viper, 90% of the time, its cheaper. That's what I meant.

My original comment meant was that 90% of the time, Japanese cars are usually the cheaper cars around.
I'm not going to waste my time naming 9 cars for your dumb Camaro or Corvette that are cheaper as it depends on many elements...you can do that yourself and waste your d*mn time.

First, good luck with an NSX beating a Viper in any standard performance test, (including but not limited to, handling, braking, acceleration, and top speed) and even more luck with one beating a Viper around ANY track

2nd. yes, a supra is cheaper than a Viper, are these cars in similar classes? no, that is a retarded attempt at proving Japanese cars cheaper
3rd. You will not find Civic's cheaper in general, not at all compared to Sunfire's or Cavalier's---No.

And if your point was simply that lower class Japanese cars (Supra) are cheaper than Higher class American cars (Viper), who the hell cares? whoop-diddy crap.
For that I can say, 90% of the time, a used Firebird is cheaper than a used NSX... but nobody cares, even though these cars are FAR more comparable in performance, and the NSX will cost nearly 5X the price,
I also won't compare a Supra to a damn Sunfire, because I'm not trying to prove a stupid point, in a stupid manner
No, you won't waste your time naming 9 cars for every 1 I do, because 90% of Japanese cars are NOT cheaper, they are lucky to get 50% cheaper, and that I even doubt
Care to continue? or would you like to concede? unless you change your mind, because if your willing I WILL be able to name a comparable American car that is cheaper for every cheaper Japanese car you can name, in fact, you have yet to name a Japanese car that is cheaper, at least in a respectable comparison
Comparable means that the cars are actually each other's competition and in the same class - not sports cars compared to street-legal race cars

Wait... I get it, you mean that when a Japanese car is cheaper than the American competition, 90% of the time it's cheaper? Guess what? when an American car is cheaper, I'll bet you that it also, is cheaper 90% of the time. - Again, who the hell cares? these are the things any idiot already knows, so if you'd like, we could discuss something maybe not everybody understands, or realizes? like that American cars if anything, may just be cheaper?

 

[Disturbed07]

all cars have identical options, with the exception of the SI's standard moon-roof, but I guess the convertible thingy evens it up a bit.......

1999 Dodge Neon 2-dr Comp Coupe 2.0 DOHC - 5,510
1999 Honda Civic EX 2-dr coupe 1.6 VTEC - 9,785
1999 Pontiac Sunfire GT 2-dr coupe 2.4DOHC - 6,105

Oh my God! holy crap! and that isnt even an SI!!!
how much is an SI???
1999 Honda Civic SI 2-dr coupe 1.6 DOHC VTEC - 11,250 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW!
let's see how much a Convertible Sunfire is......
1999 Pontiac Sunfire Convertible SE 2-dr coupe 7,240 !!!!!!
WOW again! and it's a drop-top!!!! super neat!

let's see... what ever will I do with 4,000 dollars?
I know, I'll swap in a brand-new 2.0 Supercharged Ecotec! then I'll have an engine with 0miles, instead of 77,000, and I'll have 45 more hp, and spend no more, maybe less money!!!! yay!!!! hell, the stock engine only has 10 less than the SI, maybe I'll just buy something else you can get with......you guessed it! 4,000 dollars!

I loooove being right, especially in the face of someone so headstrong that they think comparing the price of a Supra to a Viper makes sense

 

[Dave A]

I seem to be noticing an it's like this in America so it must be in the rest of the world trend here. Well it's not, the argument was over the prices of US cars and Japanese cars, not just in the US but all over the world. I can create a list too long for an internet forum of US, Japanese and European cars and what thier prices are in the US, Europe and Japan, and you know what. Certain US cars will only ever be cheaper in the US, over here their vastly over priced barrin the Corvette which is more than comparable Brit sportscars but less than mainland Euopean ones in general.

The bottom linne is, you are not right, you are geenralising over a single region of the world. If you generalised over the whole world you'd find that Japanese cars are cheaper.

First, good luck with an NSX beating a Viper in any standard performance test, (including but not limited to, handling, braking, acceleration, and top speed) and even more luck with one beating a Viper around ANY track.

Depends on the track, the NSX-R has recorded faster times than any Viper has at the Ring, but not on flatter courses. Round the TopGear track the Viper SRT-10 was a good 2 or 3 seconds quicker.

 

[Disturbed07]

I seem to be noticing an it's like this in America so it must be in the rest of the world trend here. Well it's not, the argument was over the prices of US cars and Japanese cars, not just in the US but all over the world. I can create a list too long for an internet forum of US, Japanese and European cars and what thier prices are in the US, Europe and Japan, and you know what. Certain US cars will only ever be cheaper in the US, over here their vastly over priced barrin the Corvette which is more than comparable Brit sportscars but less than mainland Euopean ones in general.

The bottom linne is, you are not right, you are geenralising over a single region of the world. If you generalised over the whole world you'd find that Japanese cars are cheaper.


Depends on the track, the NSX-R has recorded faster times than any Viper has at the Ring, but not on flatter courses. Round the TopGear track the Viper SRT-10 was a good 2 or 3 seconds quicker.

A. I don't recall McLaren stating "over the globe"
B. Let's also that on the 'Ring, the only Viper time is so slow, it's slower than Evo's and all kinds of cars that are slower than Viper's on any other track
Of Note: the 'Ring is the only track that people are rarely sure about wether or not it is a proper time, or just somebody who couldnt afford to wreck, and so forth.
While the 'Ring would be the greatest track to compare cars on, in my opinion, it's not due to the lack of equal participation, i.e., not every car gets an equal shot, and times are few and far between

Note this: America is the ONLY country in the world that does NOT charge an import tax::: so even with that benefit to the Japanese cars, and European cars, they are still not any cheaper in general, and may be more expensive

Question: is there a larger car market than America?
cause, if there's not, I guess it's a really good region to generalize over...and I can't think of any yet

Do they sell many American and Japanese cars in Europe?
I've been told that they hardly sell any at all...
Meaning more American cars are sold in America and more Japanese cars are sold in America, than anywhere else in the world??? could this be true as well?
I might be willing to make a cash bet that more American cars (and probly Japanese too) are sold in America than the rest of the world combined

 

[Dave A]

A-He didn't state anything, you presumed he meant the US the fact he didn't state the US only leaves the argument wide open.
B-You have a point about the ring time, but until theres a faster time recorded thats all you have to go on, though I don't dounbt the Viper (well the SRT-10 at least) should be quicker than it was,

America doesn't charge and iport tax, but do you have any idea how much they charge foreign companies for the "priviledge" of trading over there. Why do you tihnk smaller companies like TVR can't afford to sell over there, distribution isn't the problem, theres plenty of showrooms that'd love to have them in, it's the cost the US charge to license companies that come from abroad to trade on their soil.

Finally, yes Europe is a larger car market than America, yes they sell cars from all over the world here in Europe. More American cars are sold in America than anywhere else, just like more European cars are sold in Europe than anywhere else, more Japanese cars are sold in Europe than anywhere else as well. The reason for this is, here US cars cost more. In Asia, US cars cost more. Your point about more US cars being sold in the US than anywhere else is true and it backs up my point since the main reason they don't sell as many is price.

 

[Disturbed07]

so your saying more Japanese cars are in Europe than America?
how come I don't see that many Japanese cars here in Germany?
I see a lot in Pennsylvania - America.
Also, you can count Canada along with America, and make it North America, being that Europe is a continent itself, and Canada should have the same general priceline
I don't know what "privelige" price thing you're talking about, but I'm sure American companies pay it in other countries as well, therefore I don't care about it, and I'd like to see America charge this Import tax too, then we'd see what people really think about foreign cars comparably, and how many people will select the then far cheaper American models, and I have a feeling import sales would be drastically cut, and a lot less people would talk crap about American car companies

2nd. I'm glad you don't doubt the Viper will run faster, being that a 1997 was recorded 3 seconds faster than a 2003, although I think both could improve dramatically, also, a C5 ZO6 got 7:56, being 14 seconds faster than either, and both will stomp it on a straight, and (at least) the new one will take it on skidpad's and through slaloms, and brakes better too

 

[Dave A]

Because Germany isn't Europe, it's just a small part of it. The number of Japanese cars in the UK alone is stupid.

Europe is the biggsst market, and yes thats counting North America as a whole. The US goverment charges foreign companies to trade on US soil, for car cmpnaies it's a stupid ammount, thats why lower volume cars cost so much in the US, because they need to to make thoes costs back. It's a far higher ammount than the UK's import taxes too. The UK doesn't charge for the privilege of trading in the UK, you just have to pay import tax if you import. The US doesn't charge this, they just charge an annual rate to allow companies to trade on their soil, it works out far more expensive. The waty the system works is American cars are best value in America, the American market is designed to push out, or keep other foreign comanies at arms lenth. It's business, ofcourse the American government wan't their own car industry to be best off, it's better for the economy. Especially with the US in so much debt they can't pay it off but at risk of going way off topic I'll move on. Over here in the UK for example, the small car companies offer by far, the best value for money. But we don't have many large companies left in the UK so the majority of sales is imports, be it German, French, Italian, American or Japanese. The majority of cars sold in the UK are Japanese followed by French and German cars.

Personally I'd never buy a Viper of a Corvette, why would I when I can buy a TVR. It's different folks for different strokes and different markets will offer differnt bargains and different cons. The reality of it is, as much as both me and you have tried, you can't really generalise multiple markets like this.

 

[McLaren]

First, good luck with an NSX beating a Viper in any standard performance test, (including but not limited to, handling, braking, acceleration, and top speed) and even more luck with one beating a Viper around ANY track

Yep...

The Viper isn't exactly big boy track car like it seems. It's fast, yes, but on certain tracks, the NSX had it's superior suspension on its side. And the NSX-R is something the Viper can't exactly whoop. Maybe the new SRT-10 Coupe might put up a fight, but the closest Viper that can perform near excluding the Coupe is the GTS and it's really no fight there.

NSX isn't some little car that can get whooped by every American Sports car out there. When the Modena came out, even after all the years of no changed, a stock NSX could keep up in the corners.

And let's not even get into the '92 NSX-R...we all know how that would turn out for the RT/10.


I'm not even going to bother with the crap you wasted your time on. If you didn't get what I meant the 1st time, you're not going to get it again, and I'm not going to waste my time with such.

 

[JohnBM01]

Well, let's get one thing straight. The Viper and NSX are two wonderful sports cars. The Viper is probably one of the most successful road racing cars in sportscar racing (I'd love to see it again with the newest SRT10 hardtop Viper a la Oreca).

I'm an American and I still look for some of Europe's autos. One thing I never do in terms of talking about cars is like a car only because it's made in my home nation and I like it. I try not to be patriotic with cars because every car has their strengths and weakenesses no matter where they are made. On top of that, performance is understandable in any language or culture. I still think the NSX is one of Japan's best sports cars, maybe even the best Honda sports car.

I'm not going to go into any more details because this deal is about wanting "No Used Cars." Already off-topic, so if you want to share your mind on this issue, persist.

 

[Disturbed07]

Yep...

The Viper isn't exactly big boy track car like it seems. It's fast, yes, but on certain tracks, the NSX had it's superior suspension on its side. And the NSX-R is something the Viper can't exactly whoop. Maybe the new SRT-10 Coupe might put up a fight, but the closest Viper that can perform near excluding the Coupe is the GTS and it's really no fight there.

NSX isn't some little car that can get whooped by every American Sports car out there. When the Modena came out, even after all the years of no changed, a stock NSX could keep up in the corners.

And let's not even get into the '92 NSX-R...we all know how that would turn out for the RT/10.


I'm not even going to bother with the crap you wasted your time on. If you didn't get what I meant the 1st time, you're not going to get it again, and I'm not going to waste my time with such.

I'm done too, as what you said here clearly displayes that you know nothing about a Dodge Viper
the closest viper excluding the coupe? they're all coupe, and all have within millisecond performance, barring the engine upgrades along the way i.e., 92-95, 96-02, 03-current which have 400, 450, and 500, in that order.... don't speak about 300 hp cars keeping up with 500hp cars, especially if you're one of the absolute moronic idiots who still thinks Viper's handle like crap, because if you believe that, you have no more intelligence than that annoying 15 year old kid who gots him a Hondas Civics that is the dopest fattest and fastest ride eva!

 

[Disturbed07]

Hey, since this is a ClassicAnycar thread, meaning there's always gonna be 5 more the next week, let's just get this over with
Although GT4 may not be the greatest reference, it's all we really have, and as we all know, if anything, the favor would be towards the Japanese car in this game, but I don't mind, cause I know the answer

Take a Viper coupe or non,<---funny! - new or older, whatever you like, and take your beloved NSX-R out to the 'Ring, and see which runs faster lap times by, oh, I don't know, 20 seconds? maybe more, I never really drove NSX's much in it, but they don't seem much better than 350Z's in the game, since the 350's are so overrated, but they run 30 seconds slower, so yeah, give it a shot! or even race them on a beginner track, or Motorland or whatever its called, It's still gonna be faster! yay!
Again, good luck!

 

[Jay]

Take a Viper coupe or non,<---funny! - new or older, whatever you like, and take your beloved NSX-R out to the 'Ring, and see which runs faster lap times by, oh, I don't know, 20 seconds? maybe more, I never really drove NSX's much in it, but they don't seem much better than 350Z's in the game, since the 350's are so overrated, but they run 30 seconds slower, so yeah, give it a shot! or even race them on a beginner track, or Motorland or whatever its called, It's still gonna be faster! yay!
Again, good luck!

I dont really care to get into this but I would like to point out this post

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2055186&postcount=69

If you notice the real life times around Nurburgring

Honda NSX-R -------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Viper GTS (1997) ---------------------------------------- 8.10 min
Viper SRT-10 --------------------------------------------- 8.13 min

 

[Disturbed07]

Thats hilarious GTS-R... really, if you really think that's a legit time, truly representing the Viper's capability, your probably alone, very alone
And I ask again, being that the Viper holds more pull on a skidpad, runs through a slalom faster, sets Motor Trend records in stopping distance, both from 60 and 100, and clearly will kick the hell out of the NSX in a straight line, why would it suddenly, and only, run slower than cars such as C6 Vette, even the older Viper (50less hp, slightly heavier, no abs, which some people love, and worse in handling tests mentioned above) and C5 Z06's? it beats them all on any other tracks, and as much as people love talking about dips and things, Vipers have softer, more compliant suspensions than many of these other cars, therefore would not be affected as badly, either way, it wouldnt translate from absolute victory to humilliating defeat - not with all those big-ass straight-aways, no sir
Unless it's in your dreams for Vipers to suck, you know they don't
Clearly it's in McLaren's dreams for them to suck, I hope not your's too

I am questioning intelligence here though, you honestly posted those times as legit, even with the clearly and well known to be inferior older Viper running 3 seconds faster.
Also from the same list that has a Veyron running slower than a Z06.....clearly you SHOUL realize not all these times are what the cars are capable of, no?

 

[Jay]

Thats hilarious GTS-R... really, if you really think that's a legit time, truly representing the Viper's capability, your probably alone, very alone

Hey dont look at me, im just directing you to some info on this forum (a thread you posted on asking for NSX-R info). Instead of just talking awhole bunch, find some faster Nur times for the Viper yourself and post-em up.

I am questioning intelligence here though, you honestly posted those times as legit, even with the clearly and well known to be inferior older Viper running 3 seconds faster.

Hey and dont question me about them, their not my times, I dont know anything about them, I just brought them to your attention. I didnt post them as anything.

So direct your anger at the Auto people that drove these cars, not me.

not with all those big-ass straight-aways, no sir
Unless it's in your dreams for Vipers to suck, you know they don't
Clearly it's in McLaren's dreams for them to suck, I hope not your's too

Look at my username is it HONDANSXR01? No, its VIPERGTSR01, I am open minded I dont wish for any car to suck.

You do need to calm down abit, your getting carried away.


PS By the way I have taken the Viper SRT10 and NSX-R Concept around Nurburgring in GT4 and the Viper's lap time turned ouy 24 seconds ahead.

 

[Dave A]

GT4 cannot be used to represent the cars real world perfomance anyway. I don't doubt the Viper can lap the ring faster than an NSX, but not by 20 seconds irl, maybe 10.

As I've said, and ViperGTSR01 said, thoes times are legit, because they're the fastest a Viper has ever gone around that track. If Michael Schumacher finnishes second in a race but everyone knows he could have won say there was a problem with pit equptment or something, does that prevent the race results from being legit, no.

 

[McLaren]

I'm done too, as what you said here clearly displayes that you know nothing about a Dodge Viper
the closest viper excluding the coupe? they're all coupe, and all have within millisecond performance, barring the engine upgrades along the way i.e., 92-95, 96-02, 03-current which have 400, 450, and 500, in that order.... don't speak about 300 hp cars keeping up with 500hp cars, especially if you're one of the absolute moronic idiots who still thinks Viper's handle like crap, because if you believe that, you have no more intelligence than that annoying 15 year old kid who gots him a Hondas Civics that is the dopest fattest and fastest ride eva!

I was refering to the SRT-10 Coupe genius.
And OMGZ!Looks like we got one of them "Power is everything" type of idiots.

I know the Viper handles well, so nice try classifying me into a category.
And I actually had a Honda made product. It started was a N and ended in an X, and yeah, it actually was a fast ride.


Research the NSX-R. You seem like a guy who immediately writes off because of its power. Around the track, the NSX-R is a beast, and the SRT-10 could only hope to keep up. Amazing how a car with 200 less horsepower still manages to whoop a newer car.
Hell, it even manages to fall behind its own earlier model that's 50Hp less.

But the "Ferrari of Japan" is not some POS at 300Hp, it actually performs better than alot of European and American cars. Do some research on it.

 

[Disturbed07]

I was refering to the SRT-10 Coupe genius.
And OMGZ!Looks like we got one of them "Power is everything" type of idiots.

I know the Viper handles well, so nice try classifying me into a category.
And I actually had a Honda made product. It started was a N and ended in an X, and yeah, it actually was a fast ride.


Research the NSX-R. You seem like a guy who immediately writes off because of its power. Around the track, the NSX-R is a beast, and the SRT-10 could only hope to keep up. Amazing how a car with 200 less horsepower still manages to whoop a newer car.
Hell, it even manages to fall behind its own earlier model that's 50Hp less.

But the "Ferrari of Japan" is not some POS at 300Hp, it actually performs better than alot of European and American cars. Do some research on it.

It's called an SRT-10 not a coupe, genious
I know plenty about NSX's, and know that I'm 100% sure it's basically the same as all other NSX's, I know you're a blubbering idiot - I don't care if you owned one, if anything, that proves that you simply like a car you used to own, and nothing more.
I wouldnt compare it to Ferrari, not if you want it to sound fast, being other than Ferrari's top model, and the Brand-new 430's the rest of their cars are all dissapointingly slow, with cars like 360's running 13 second quarter miles....a 02 Camaro can run that fast
A viper could only HOPE to keep up? you are an idiot, I was right.....
care to show any times where the cars were driven by the same driver, on the same day, at the same track? I know a couple of years ago, R&T did something with a bunch of cars, including the 360, and NSX, and oh yeah, the Viper, guess what? the Viper got the lowest score, barring the Vette, but here's the funny part, it ran the fastest laps, the drivers were simply complaining about the car being difficult to drive, If it was new enough to be on their site, I'd show you, but It's not important to me, your simply a new-fad idiot who just learned that weight transfer and suspension are something race car drivers talk about, so now you think a great handling 150HP car can keep up with a Veyron, cause it's heavy
Seriously, I've never seen so many idiots blabbering about weight transfer, suspension tuning, weight, and power meaning nothing than I have in the last 2 years, and I'm really tire of your fad, HP still means a crapload, wether you feel that your car could corner well or not, and by the by, McLaren's don't handle very good, especially for million dollar cars, let alone Corvette's... So you should probly not like them as much....
and Live4speed, I understand that it's not like somebody drove that Viper trying to get a fast time, but your example is poor, would a Mag doing a comparison, declare victory if they wrecked one of the cars? no, that's not how you find out which is better, that's what you do in a competition of DRIVERS, not cars
I'm not blasting your thread, I think it's great, however, it's not the all-telling car deciding crap of the world. Does anybody even know who drove the Viper to that time?
I won't use times for comparison unless I know the drivers are either equal, or on an equal level, hell, could that even not be a flying lap? wouldnt surprise me.

Power is everything idiots?
Show me some kind of proof of ANY 500hp and 300hp SPORTS cars racing, and the 300hp car winning, with equal or preferably the same drivers, and I'll give you 1000 dollars, till then, you're a wanna-be fad-junkie, who heard maybe a car was cool, bought one, and said "it handles great!" it must be super-fast!

 

[JohnBM01]

What Nurburgring are we talking about- the Nordschleife in GT4 that doesn't use the Nurburgring F1 circuit, or the real Nordschleife that uses the F1 circuit? I'm no Nürburgring Nordschleife fanatic, so I'm not going to brag about something like this. If times are going to be much quicket, let's at least know which configuration we're talking about.

And for the record, power ISN'T everything. Because as Pirelli says, "Power is nothing without control." If you have to choose between one or the other, don't you want to go both ways with power and handling? Also for the record, this may be something Disturbed and I can agree on for once.

 

[Disturbed07]

What Nurburgring are we talking about- the Nordschleife in GT4 that doesn't use the Nurburgring F1 circuit, or the real Nordschleife that uses the F1 circuit? I'm no Nürburgring Nordschleife fanatic, so I'm not going to brag about something like this. If times are going to be much quicket, let's at least know which configuration we're talking about.

And for the record, power ISN'T everything. Because as Pirelli says, "Power is nothing without control." If you have to choose between one or the other, don't you want to go both ways with power and handling? Also for the record, this may be something Disturbed and I can agree on for once.

I'd be pretty upset without one or the other, yes
I'd much prefer a balance of the two than just one or the other, as true as "power is nothing without control" one should also say "control is nothing without power".
So if that's what your opinion is, then yes, we definetly agree, Also, I love the Nurburgring, though I believe it's slightly different versions used in that thread, I must also say I don't believe that track is the all-defining course in the world, it's more of a, how practical is this car on a mountainy back-road? type of track

On another note: I found a neat comparison, that McLaren may just like, I chuckled, as the Z06, which is fairly well known, at least by informed car enthusiasts, to not be able to keep up with an SRT-10, beats an NSX quite thoroughly, with 3 levels of drivers all running faster with the Vette...
here you go McLaren!
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=56&page_number=5

So I guess there should be one more question asked, are you smart enough to realize that the much higher-powered ZO6 would increase it's lead on a dry-circuit? or is that concept beyond you as well?
I'd love to show you more road-track-tests, however, it seems quite uncommon for NSX's to even get into sports-car comparison's, and this is the only one I could find, however, if you can find any yourself, feel free, till then, good luck!

 

[McLaren]

Try again. IT's model name is SRT-10 Coupe.
SRT-10=Convertible
SRT-10 Coupe=Coupe

NSXs aren't all the same, so your 100% wrong.
And no, I didn't say 150Hp car can keep up with a Veyron. Again, you assume power if everything like some moron, and forget there's a thing called Handling.

A McLaren doesn't handle well? Boy, you need to go do your research on that car before you come give me crap about McLarens.


BTW, I'll prove it if Professional Motorsports count.
Power means alot, but it means nothing without the proper adjustments in other areas.
Plus, driven a Viper before more than once, so I know how they handle too.

You're a person who must rely on power more than anything else.

Also, I'll be glad to know that I'd never have to deal with rust in 50 years with my old car.


EDIT: Where's the $1K?

Top GT300 car
Team Wreckless (Toyota MR-S)
Total's 93 Points in the Current season.
~Race 1: 6 (5th)
~Race 2: 12 (3rd)
~Race 3: 16 (2nd)
~Race 4: 12 (3rd)
~Race 5: 3 (8th)
~Race 6: 12 (3rd)
~Race 7: 20 (1st)
~Race 8: 12 (3rd)

Top GT500 car
Team Nismo (Nissan Fairlady Z)
Total's 86 Points in the Current Season
~Race 1: 3 (8th)
~Race 2: 16 (2nd)
~Race 3: 21 (1st)
~Race 4: 5 (6th)
~Race 5: 8 (4th)
~Race 6: 2 (9th)
~Race 7: 16 (2nd)
~Race 8: 15 (2nd)

 

[Disturbed07]

So, McLaren, what does the NSX-R have that a regular, Acura NSX doesnt? what makes it such an amazing machine? certainly not an R badge....
you said you'd prove it if Proffesional Motorsports counts? how about it?
You drove a Viper? then you already know it'll kick the crap outta an NSX - Good!

sad to say, you got me on one thing, they did change the name to an SRT-10 coupe, unfortunatly your original point with that is still stupid, as they perform no better basically in any performance tests.... oh well

I'll be waiting for whatever you're gonna prove.
McLaren's only held .86 G's on a skidpad... Am I supposed to be impressed? cause I'm not.... Motor Trend was though, even though an SRT-10 holds 1.05.... that's only a Crapload, don't worry about it, grip doesnt mean good handling, does it?

 

[McLaren]

So, McLaren, what does the NSX-R have that a regular, Acura NSX doesnt? what makes it such an amazing machine? certainly not an R badge....
you said you'd prove it if Proffesional Motorsports counts? how about it?
You drove a Viper? then you already know it'll kick the crap outta an NSX - Good!

sad to say, you got me on one thing, they did change the name to an SRT-10 coupe, unfortunatly your original point with that is still stupid, as they perform no better basically in any performance tests.... oh well

I'll be waiting for whatever you're gonna prove.
McLaren's only held .86 G's on a skidpad... Am I supposed to be impressed? cause I'm not.... Motor Trend was though, even though an SRT-10 holds 1.05.... that's only a Crapload, don't worry about it, grip doesnt mean good handling, does it?

Actually, the Coupe performs much better than its SRT-10 Convertible model.

EDIT: And here you go. Every enhancement the NSX-R carries.
http://world.honda.com/NSX/

BTW, a little history. You do know legendary racer Senna helped make the NSX what it is today, don't you? You also may know McLaren has Honda to thank for the F1 wins they had, hence why Honda was chosen as the 1st company to power the F1's.