NSX + Skyline questions

[chicobo329]

Also can be called "So many choices, so little difference?" There's TONS of these cars around in GT4, but is there any significant difference between them? Would it really matter driving around in a '97 NSX than a '99 NSX? A '95 V-Spec to a '99 V-Spec? Of course it's easy to find differences from say, an 80's Skyline to a present one, but when you get around the 90's models, there's just so many of them!

 

[Greycap]

Significant difference? That is debatable. Difference? Undoubtedly.

Every Skyline is different (I have tested them) and I don't think they would have put in 100% similar cars anyway. Sure, the differences are very small in most cases, but they do exist.

 

[BreakerOhio]

Why don't you drive them around to see for yourself.
Different year models have different suspension setups and sometimes gearing updates. You should be able to notice a difference if you conduct a test between model years.

 

[Dark Elite]

To expand a little on what Greycap says about the Skylines, yes, every one of them is different - but you will certainly notice a distinct difference between the three generations of 4WD GT-R Skylines, that is, the R32, R33 and R34 variants - from 1989 to 1994, 1995 to 1997, and 1998 to 2004 respectively.

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[Rotary Junkie]

There are big differences between the RX-7s.

The 251hp cars (1991 in game-1995, in the U.S. it's 93-95) are the evilest handling, the next gen isn't much better, but the newest 276hp stock versions are GOOD, especially the Spirit R.

 

[AOS-]

use Wikipedia and search for the stuff. i learned that the NSX type-S has a stiffer suspension than the other ones around that year.

 

[chicobo329]

Well I could just buy every car in series but I don't really have the credits for that ;^) And I could Wiki as well but I found it easier to ask here first as I could likely find better explanations and examples than I can find in the Wikis.

The Spirit R is pretty slick stuff, I had that once! I think I should invest in one again sometime and give it a closer look.

Really the only obvious differences I can find in a series with a ton of cars is the generation (R32-R34 for example) and year in the extremes (1990 NSX vs. 2002 NSX). What bothered me is like telling the difference between say a '94 and '95. Since you guys say they have different setups, I should look more closely at them when I get the chance (and credits) to fiddle around, as I never was a regular in the tuning screen.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

The early FDs are EVIL, stay away if you are faint hearted.

Hit the link in my sig, go to the second page, and test the Spirit R tune I have.

 

[Greycap]

Well, if we're going for promoting fast FD's, then my signature link has one too. Capable of outrunning JGTC cars and boasts equal handling, based on a Bathurst R. Look for FD-R.

 

[Green_Flag]

I have never been able to notice that much of a difference.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Heeey, the Bathurst is harder to find.

So I built a Spirit.

And, I am the one that needs traffic. I HAVE to advertise. Heck, I don't have feedback on anything at all.

 

[Observer]

To me the differences between the cars in GT4 are huge. Every setup changes the necessary approach to the corners. Some have a different suspension setting, some have different transmission ratios, some have different wight distribution,The biggest difference is having single turbo in one series and dual turbo in another. The RX7 RZ is a single turbo while the Type R is Dual turbo, and this changes the handling characteristics like night and day. Though I will say this, if your driving is not consistent and accurate then telling the difference is difficult, its all about how much of the cars potential do you utilize. When you push the car to its limits you can tell every detail of the setup and the differences between them.

 

[Leonidae]

RZ is singleturbo?

This here says otherwise..

it's power/torque curve might seem to be from a single turbo, but the reality and researching are worth more than mere guesses..

 

[Observer]

RZ is singleturbo?

This here says otherwise..

it's power/torque curve might seem to be from a single turbo, but the reality and researching are worth more than mere guesses..

Holy... thats what I get for not doing my research. I mistook from the torque curve that it was a single large turbo instead of a dual. Well that and the fact that when you release the throttle there is a slight lag in the RZ followed by a feel of extra torque (which feels like a large turbo) when compared to the tamed type-r. Sorry for the mix up and thanks for the correction.
Now all thats left is figuring what other setups could cause those effects.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Actually, the 1992 might be... The link you provided, Leo, refers to the newest RZ.

 

[Greycap]

Nope, it's not. The FC models were single turbos but the FD has been twin turbo from its launch in 1992.

Some proof here

 

[Observer]

Actually, the 1992 might be... The link you provided, Leo, refers to the newest RZ.

I drive that car non-stop its my 3rd favorite RX7 behind the RS-R and the 95 RZ
I dunno I can swear it feels like a single turbo

 

[Rotary Junkie]

It's a twin.
Runs special shocks, recaro seats, and grabbier tires.

 

[chicobo329]

I never hung around RX-7's that much but I do know they're solid cars whenever I decide to try one out. I got some of Rotary's setups so I'm going to try them out later on. You know what year I miss? The '83 Turbo from GT2 ;^P Gotta love that tacky lime green.

 

[RICHARDO]

There's a pretty big difference between the 89' GT-R and the 90' or 91' GT-R. For one the 89' revs lower, and it's understeers more.

 

[Leonidae]

and still, after weight reductions they weight as much, yet the newer ones have still much better ride.. I think I should pull off a bunch of GT-R comparisons. R32's naturally..

 

[Red_Line]

For the GTR's the R34 N1 Edition is defintetly the fastest, as just in real life it has better accel., because of it's JGTC style enigne block which improves horsepower and improves cooling engine temp.

As for other GTR models just cant compare, the R32 N1 is also not bad, but not as good. You tend to notice in this game that the higher the model year is, the less wheel slip you get. I guess this takes into consideration ECU systems that have improved over the years.

For the NSX's the newest type-r (not the concept) is the fastest NSX, and in my opinion undoubtably the fastest 276hp (Japanese gentlemens agreement) car in the game. 👍

 

[Greycap]

Actually, the R34 GT-R V-Spec N1 isn't the fastest, at least when tuned. The V-SpecII Nür overtakes it thanks to a higher power output.

A pretty thorough detailing follows.

R32
GT-R: The base model, the lightest, but also the one with the worst tyres and suspension. The lightest of all GT-R Skylines.
GT-R N1: A version aimed for track use, equipped with different turbos and other minor equipment changes.
GT-R V-Spec: A refined model with a bit more weight, larger wheels and better suspension, and higher power output.
GT-R V-SpecII: An even more refined model with slightly wider tyres than the V-Spec. The best one out of these.

R33
GT-R: Again the base model.
GT-R N1: A similarly track equipped one as the R33 N1.
GT-R V-Spec: A refined model featuring better suspension and a more sophisticated four wheel drive system. The best one out of these.
GT-R V-Spec LM Limited: Just a V-Spec built to celebrate the Le Mans success of the GT-R.

R34
GT-R: Again the base model. The drivetrain of the R33 V-Spec fitted as stock.
GT-R V-Spec: A similarly refined model as the R33 V-Spec.
GT-R V-SpecII: An even more sophisticated fast car, with technical improvements here and there.
GT-R V-Spec N1: A similarly track equipped car as the R32 & R33 N1, based on the V-SpecII.
GT-R V-SpecII Nür: A special version of the V-SpecII, featuring better turbos and some interior changes. The best one out of these.
GT-R M-Spec: Something of a luxury GT-R, featuring a slightly softer suspension than the V-Spec and a leather interior. Technícally similar to the V-Spec.
GT-R M-Spec Nür: Like the V-SpecII Nür but built out of a M-Spec. The heaviest of all GT-R Skylines.

The Nismo models
GT-R S-Tune: The ultimate R32, it comes with a high revving engine and a very responsive handling. Based on the R32 GT-R V-SpecII.
400R: The ultimate R33, with loads of power in the lower revs but a bit asthmatic top end. Based on the R33 GT-R V-Spec.
GT-R R-Tune: The ultimate R34, pretty similar in style to the S-Tune but handles like the R34. Based on the R34 GT-R V-SpecII.

My personal favourite is the S-Tune, combining the handling of the old school R32 to the technology of today. It's pretty hard to drive really fast though, the best models for beginners are the R34's thanks to their more docile cornering characteristics.

All the things that can be tested in GT4 have been tested, naturally the things like the leather interior of the M-Spec are taken from the web. By the best I don't mean just the stock models but also the tuning capabilities. I've always felt the V-Specs to handle a bit better when compared to the base models, that's personal preference of course.

 

[Laggy]

there are differences in the older versions of the same car. An good example is the Nissan Silvia S14. The older S14 K's Aero 93' can redline in 2nd gear at 72 mph and the later model will redline at about 64-67mph. Anyone who drifts this model car will notice the difference and say that the 93' model is much better for drifting because u can keep drifting in 2nd gear without having to upshift and lose rpm in some corners.

Which brings me to my point, different models of the same car will have different gear ratios, suspension settings, handling, power, N/A or Turbo. Try them out and see which is best for you.

 

[Leonidae]

there are differences in the older versions of the same car. An good example is the Nissan Silvia S14. The older S14 K's Aero 93' can redline in 2nd gear at 72 mph and the later model will redline at about 64-67mph. Anyone who drifts this model car will notice the difference and say that the 93' model is much better for drifting because u can keep drifting in 2nd gear without having to upshift and lose rpm in some corners.

Which brings me to my point, different models of the same car will have different gear ratios, suspension settings, handling, power, N/A or Turbo. Try them out and see which is best for you.

If you're comparing S14 and S15, there's a good reason. S14 has 5 gears, S15 has 6.. and i'm not entirely sure of there's this difference between older and newer S14's as well. I'm willing to bet that it is so.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

93-95 or whatever has a different nose than the '96 up S14.

 

[BobK]

Actually, the R34 GT-R V-Spec N1 isn't the fastest, at least when tuned. The V-SpecII Nür overtakes it thanks to a higher power output.

A pretty thorough detailing follows.

R32
GT-R: The base model, the lightest, but also the one with the worst tyres and suspension. The lightest of all GT-R Skylines.
GT-R N1: A version aimed for track use, equipped with different turbos and other minor equipment changes.
GT-R V-Spec: A refined model with a bit more weight, larger wheels and better suspension, and higher power output.
GT-R V-SpecII: An even more refined model with slightly wider tyres than the V-Spec. The best one out of these.

R33
GT-R: Again the base model.
GT-R N1: A similarly track equipped one as the R33 N1.
GT-R V-Spec: A refined model featuring better suspension and a more sophisticated four wheel drive system. The best one out of these.
GT-R V-Spec LM Limited: Just a V-Spec built to celebrate the Le Mans success of the GT-R.

R34
GT-R: Again the base model. The drivetrain of the R33 V-Spec fitted as stock.
GT-R V-Spec: A similarly refined model as the R33 V-Spec.
GT-R V-SpecII: An even more sophisticated fast car, with technical improvements here and there.
GT-R V-Spec N1: A similarly track equipped car as the R32 & R33 N1, based on the V-SpecII.
GT-R V-SpecII Nür: A special version of the V-SpecII, featuring better turbos and some interior changes. The best one out of these.
GT-R M-Spec: Something of a luxury GT-R, featuring a slightly softer suspension than the V-Spec and a leather interior. Technícally similar to the V-Spec.
GT-R M-Spec Nür: Like the V-SpecII Nür but built out of a M-Spec. The heaviest of all GT-R Skylines.

The Nismo models
GT-R S-Tune: The ultimate R32, it comes with a high revving engine and a very responsive handling. Based on the R32 GT-R V-SpecII.
400R: The ultimate R33, with loads of power in the lower revs but a bit asthmatic top end. Based on the R33 GT-R V-Spec.
GT-R R-Tune: The ultimate R34, pretty similar in style to the S-Tune but handles like the R34. Based on the R34 GT-R V-SpecII.

My personal favourite is the S-Tune, combining the handling of the old school R32 to the technology of today. It's pretty hard to drive really fast though, the best models for beginners are the R34's thanks to their more docile cornering characteristics.

All the things that can be tested in GT4 have been tested, naturally the things like the leather interior of the M-Spec are taken from the web. By the best I don't mean just the stock models but also the tuning capabilities. I've always felt the V-Specs to handle a bit better when compared to the base models, that's personal preference of course.

An excellent summation, +rep! 👍

A question, though, where would the two Gran Turismo Skylines fit on this list? The A license gold and Real Circuit Tours prize cars.

 

[Greycap]

Actually, that's a very good question. The pace car isn't that different from the showroom models so I guess it's comparable to the other '01 models - that don't seem to exist - maybe a V-Spec would be close. But the licence prize car, it's a completely different animal. Having looked at the specs, the bodykit, the performance... I've come to a conclusion.

It may be the Nismo Z-Tune in disguise.

 

[Laggy]

If you're comparing S14 and S15, there's a good reason. S14 has 5 gears, S15 has 6.. and i'm not entirely sure of there's this difference between older and newer S14's as well. I'm willing to bet that it is so.

What I meant was newer years of the S14 model. Take the 240sx S14 and the Silvia K's Aero S14 and u will notice the difference in the 2nd Gear. I believe there was a remodification of the s14 in 1996 to make it look newer with a much more aggressive looking front end also know as Kouki.

 

[Tornado]

93-95 or whatever has a different nose than the '96 up S14.

The post 1996 S14 has more aerodynamic body work and a peak torque figure that is at a lower RPM due to (I'm guessing) more efficient turbos.

Could someone explain the 300ZX differences, though? From what I've read, the differences in peak torque RPM and redline occurred between the 1989 and 1998 models because Nissan dumped variable valve timing in 1996, but could someone confirm?