Odd car out¿

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Since its farely dead around here i was thinking, is there any car that someone thinks is un-driftable? If so list that sucker here and lets see if anyone can prove you wrong on it

 

[TuneRVisioN]

Toyota Pitz (Vitz/Yaris) 1.5 Fully modded without tire miss matches. That is undriftable IMO.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Hmmm. does this include front drive cars (excluding e-brake slides?) I can think of a few rear-drive cars that are hard to drift in GT2 and 4, but i'm drawing a blank on gt3.

 

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Hmmm. does this include front drive cars (excluding e-brake slides?) I can think of a few rear-drive cars that are hard to drift in GT2 and 4, but i'm drawing a blank on gt3.

FWD's are not included. I know this is a hot debate that goes way back to jesus and all but IMO and allot of others that have clear heads if you have a FWD you are not drifting, you are just e-brake sliding. Not the same thing. But let me see what i can do with that piece o crap listed above there

 

[Parnelli Bone]

In GT2 & 4 we've got the Datsun 510 (Skyline 2000GT). I'm not saying it can't be drifted...i'm just saying it's a hard one to break even tho it's FR. That's off the top of my head. I know there are others...

 

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I actually just realized that the vitz is a FF also
But just for comedy sake i bought one and did a little with it, geeze that thing is so slow. Even fully modded! Will make very boring footage but i used it so i will at least post it here in a bit when i can to show you that it can be drifted, just doesn't look very splended.

 

[TuneRVisioN]

I can drift my Fully modified Mini Cooper 1.3 with ease. (No E-Brake.) Well ok I used RSS tires front and simulation tires rear. I also used oversteery suspension settings. I never use LSD's to drift, as they induce understeer. I left the brake balance normal too. The car couldn't drive straight after a turn at all. I saved a replay on Tokyo R246 and called it Tokyo Drift. Too bad I can't post videos from my PS2.

 

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I can drift my Fully modified Mini Cooper 1.3 with ease. (No E-Brake.) Well ok I used RSS tires front and simulation tires rear. I also used oversteery suspension settings. I never use LSD's to drift, as they induce understeer. I left the brake balance normal too. The car couldn't drive straight after a turn at all. I saved a replay on Tokyo R246 and called it Tokyo Drift. Too bad I can't post videos from my PS2.

I have a capture card but i am having trouble with the quality of it and haven't had the time to mess around with it yet. So for now my sony camera recording the screen actually looks better than the capture card so i use it. Most people here do use a cam like that anyways. On the vitz i used the ebrake because you said same compound tires all around, they are just lame to drift and look like hell (FF) And on forums, nothing flies without proof.

 

[TuneRVisioN]

I have a capture card but i am having trouble with the quality of it and haven't had the time to mess around with it yet. So for now my sony camera recording the screen actually looks better than the capture card so i use it. Most people here do use a cam like that anyways. On the vitz i used the ebrake because you said same compound tires all around, they are just lame to drift and look like hell (FF) And on forums, nothing flies without proof.

I need proof to prove my Mini Cooper can drift? That car doesn't understeer much for a FF car anyways. Tire changes (RSS Front and Sim Rear) can easily make any car oversteer. About the Vitz, I agree, as it is probably the most understeery FF when fully modded. You can drift a Spoon Civic Type-R without to much trouble also. That car looks and sounds sexy.

 

[whoopyskyline]

heey guys this is off topic but here in holland they didnt sell gt3 anymore
so i got gt4 its nice and stuff i guess but thnx for all the helpof you guys really helped me out

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Again a bit ot: Chrysler Crossfire. I drove that in gT4 last week alot...here's another very understeery rear-drive car. That sucker just would not break until i put N2 comfort tires on the rear (with N3's up front).

 

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I need proof to prove my Mini Cooper can drift? That car doesn't understeer much for a FF car anyways. Tire changes (RSS Front and Sim Rear) can easily make any car oversteer. About the Vitz, I agree, as it is probably the most understeery FF when fully modded. You can drift a Spoon Civic Type-R without to much trouble also. That car looks and sounds sexy.

I dont see how you can actually drift, i dont mean just oh look i got loose a bit i mean drift an entire turn without using the ebrake in a FF. funny you mentioned the spoon civic, im sticking it on the small vid with the crappy vitz. the spoon isnt a drifter, non of the FF i have are because well, they are FF so they can't actually drift. But its a fast little gripper.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I dont see how you can actually drift, i dont mean just oh look i got loose a bit i mean drift an entire turn without using the ebrake in a FF. funny you mentioned the spoon civic, im sticking it on the small vid with the crappy vitz. the spoon isnt a drifter, non of the FF i have are because well, they are FF so they can't actually drift. But its a fast little gripper.

Yeah, FF cars can't actually "drift" in the true sense of the word, since drifting is caused by throttle input. What they can do is slide.

 

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Yeah, FF cars can't actually "drift" in the true sense of the word, since drifting is caused by throttle input. What they can do is slide.

EXACTLY!

👍

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Speaking of which....an unlikely car to slide around is the Rover Mini 1.3

You wouldn't think it prone to sliding since there is hardly any rear overhang, but this one is quite tail happy, especially with a stock suspension. I like to call this condition "Roversteer"

 

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Speaking of which....an unlikely car to slide around is the Rover Mini 1.3

You wouldn't think it prone to sliding since there is hardly any rear overhang, but this one is quite tail happy, especially with a stock suspension. I like to call this condition "Roversteer"

Roversteer...so what do you call a mustang? Geeze, you get more than 300hp in any year mustang (don't know about 06-up) and the rear end will not stay behind you. My 79 malibu was bad about it too, but it had a reason...sb355 dyno'd at 455 hp, can't remember the torque exactly but it was in the 522 range. Really wish i hadn't of sold that car
But with the family life i can't afford 6 miles to the gallon anymore either. Actually a bone stock 4.6 or 5.0 on the wet is a handle, not because of the measly 240 hp but just the horrible suspension set ups they have. And im not just knocking ford, camaro's are horrible in this department also.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Well the new Mustangs 330 cid's have about 285 hp i believe (slightly more torque...) Since (nowadays) everybody is into low-profile tires on giant rims, the new Mustang gT is supposed to be alot grippier than the old ones, especially with that lowish power. Still, there's a reason they named the Stang after a wild horse, and with its live rear axle it probly still has some slipperyness and likes to buck around, too.

The Mustang in my avatar was quite happy tail-happy i mean...

 

[TuneRVisioN]

No one believes me? Just mess around with the toe angle and the camber angles and put sim tires rear and rss tires up front. Set the rear toe to -4 and front to 4. Also fully mod it without putting a LSD.

 

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No one believes me? Just mess around with the toe angle and the camber angles and put sim tires rear and rss tires up front. Set the rear toe to -4 and front to 4. Also fully mod it without putting a LSD.

Don't freak out, i believe you i just like to give people a hard time when it comes to FF "drifting". And Parnelli i had a 2004 Mustang GT, mods where 3.55 rear, cold air intake, chip (don't know brand it was in it when i bought it) headers, 40-series flowmasters and some mild porting on the heads. It wasn't a bad car really, very dissapointing from what ive had though thats for sure. The most annoying thing was the traction control would auto on when you started the car. And the TC that those cars come with are very dangerous for someone who can't actually handle a car. e.g. one day it was raining a bit and i was coming down the main road that goes all the way through the city, well there are overpasses at every intersection. While coming up one (they curve slightly to the right or left depending on traveling direction) the rear end started stepping out of course. I said ok looks like fun so i dropped it in 3rd and got on it a bit to drift on up the ramp. Ah, traction controll was on and the engine started bogging down and well you know what happens when you are sideways and you stop power while drifting one direction. The weight came off and shot me into an opposite drift and then the other way while countering that, so the point is if someone who can't handle a car would have been turning or whatever it may be and the car does step out and they try to counter and that would happen they would be either spun out in traffic or in a ditch. But that car did handle pretty good all considering. It didn't give you much warning before the car had just had too much in a corner before it broke loose though. Most cars you can feel it saying, "ok back off" but that one it just said oop im sideways now.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

No one believes me? Just mess around with the toe angle and the camber angles and put sim tires rear and rss tires up front. Set the rear toe to -4 and front to 4. Also fully mod it without putting a LSD.

I didn't say whether i believed you or not, but what you're describing (the Mini "drifting" around) is not true drifting, it is sliding induced by the rear of the car (which is light and hasn't got much traction). Trust me, i've had plenty of experience with roversteer.




Well it sucks you couldn't somehow defeat that traction control breakpoint! I plan on buying the Challenger when that comes out in a couple years (hopefully i'll be making some bucks by then). But if i had the money i'd get all 3! The new Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger!

 

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Oh god that challenger concept looked so good. Thats the first time ive seen a company try to do a "retro" new car and it actually work very well. I don't like the new mustang body styles, and im not a camaro fan at all....but i would take a 67 Firebird

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Oh god that challenger concept looked so good. Thats the first time ive seen a company try to do a "retro" new car and it actually work very well. I don't like the new mustang body styles, and im not a camaro fan at all....but i would take a 67 Firebird

Yeah, they gotta make a Firebird. 👍 The Camaro concept actually looks bland compared to the Challenger & Mustang, but i'm sure once they start production they'll have plenty of option packages and stuff.

 

[TuneRVisioN]

Whew, I thought I needed proof to show everyone of my mini slides.

 

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There ya go, you used the key word. "slides"

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Naw, i've known about the way Mini's slip around for several years now. From my website:

I've raced this car with Stage 1 turbo tuning, sports or semi-racing aspiraton, no suspension upgrades whatsoever (using sport tires in back and normal tires up front to reduce the Mini's tendency to go sideways under hard cornering) and have won several races. It doesn't hurt that this car is produced with just 4.13" (105 mm) of stock ground clearance, which helps it corner without much of the body-roll we find in larger hatchbacks.

Like I said before, the main thing to watch for is loss of the grip at the rear of the car--a condition i like to call ‘Roverster’. :-) Understeer isn't as much of a problem unless your Mini is fully-tuned--but even then, it's not that bad. Understeer is only serious if you totally forget to brake, for the most...

Minis are great. It's the closest i can get to racing a go-kart in GT games 👍

 

[TuneRVisioN]

Agreed. Also mini's are faster than most of the Kei cars stock. Even though it has slightly less HP than them, it is more lightweight. The mini is one of those cars that I love to "Cruise" in. Even when its stock. This car barely understeers fully modded unless you put some horrible settings like all LSD settings at 60. This car is also fun to race other people in 2 player mode. 1 mistake can cost you the race.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

that's true, 1 mistake can cost you the race! i used to show Dave how it's done in a lesser car sometimes!

 

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Minis are great. It's the closest i can get to racing a go-kart in GT games 👍

Speaking on your website first off, jesus christ that thing has gobs of information on it! The first time i looked at it my jaw almost dropped just from the bloody details, good job:tup:

And about the quote up there. I race 125 cnc honda shifter karts, it was a cheap form of racing until more and more people got in it and now its not so cheap. But man i tell you if you like speed you would love it. Motor was dyno'd at 49 hp, but on a kart like that and with the honda 6-speed, lets just say on most straights the karts get up to about 125 on the straights! Its so strange the way the chassis actually handle also. Say like in a car you want the chassis rigid, but in a kart when you turn the chassis flexes to let 2 of the wheels actually lift to push the other 2 down. Very strange. Will be going to a race wednesday if work lets me. So the next time i will post a vid up of it. Just got my chase cam in to mount on the kart itself, should be nice.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

very cool. Glad you like the site 👍 Yeah it's been awhile since i been down south...maybe 15 years I wanna get back on topic but i'm so tired right now! Any luck on undriftable cars?

 

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very cool. Glad you like the site 👍 Yeah it's been awhile since i been down south...maybe 15 years I wanna get back on topic but i'm so tired right now! Any luck on undriftable cars?

Well no luck on the undriftables, as you can see nobody has posted anything on them. How about a slight change, how about anyone that can post a car that you think just is a totall turd all around....then let's show you its not.