Of tires and rumble strips.

[BenBurroughs]

Lately I've been running comfort softs, and even sport hards, on my 180SX, and I've encountered a problem. I like to hang the car right up to the rumble strip on Tsukuba, but while running these softer tires, I occasionally get onto the strip and it actually straightens me out even with the slightest touch. I can actually feel the car go from sideways to straight even despite steering into the turn to "correct" it. I don't have this problem with comfort hards or mediums, and I've made changes to my gearing, differential, and even much of my suspension to try to prevent this but those changes only make the rest of my drifting experience more difficult. So my question is this:

Can the off-camber nature of a rumble strip cause a car to straighten out mid-drift, or might it be more an issue of the surface difference between the tarmac and the track edge? And what, short of never touching the rumble strip, can be done to alleviate this problem?

 

[GODfreyGT5]

From my experience (with CH's) riding the front wheels up onto a curb will cause you issues when dropping back down. This effect increasing with speed of the car and height of the curb.

Riding onto the curb would usually cause my car to notably increase angle, not decrease, with the often sudden return to flat track causing severe snapback as a combination of the weight transfer and the steering lock bite your face off.

 

[Warren4649]

Most of the time I hit a curb with a relatively low car (RUF BTR) I pray the gods of drift for not spinning out or tank slap into the wall, especially when I'm filming.

 

[Knight Spirit]

Most of the time I hit a curb with a relatively low car (RUF BTR) I pray the gods of drift for not spinning out or tank slap into the wall, especially when I'm filming.

I tend to lock the handbrake to avoid this, especially running wide after the last turn of tsukuba 👍

 

[Bluntified]

Lately I've been running comfort softs, and even sport hards, on my 180SX, and I've encountered a problem. I like to hang the car right up to the rumble strip on Tsukuba, but while running these softer tires, I occasionally get onto the strip and it actually straightens me out even with the slightest touch. I can actually feel the car go from sideways to straight even despite steering into the turn to "correct" it. I don't have this problem with comfort hards or mediums, and I've made changes to my gearing, differential, and even much of my suspension to try to prevent this but those changes only make the rest of my drifting experience more difficult. So my question is this:

Can the off-camber nature of a rumble strip cause a car to straighten out mid-drift, or might it be more an issue of the surface difference between the tarmac and the track edge? And what, short of never touching the rumble strip, can be done to alleviate this problem?

Try setting the grip setting to "Real". This helps keep the edge (curbs and grass) a bit more slippery, more real.

Another thing is, maybe you're not running enough HP to slide around in Sports Tires? If you're using Sports, you need to be pushing more HP to keep the tires spinning, if not, you'll straighten out too easily.

Edit, I don't think its the "camber" of the curb, all, except one (the middle hairpin after the "S"), have flat curbs.

 

[BenBurroughs]

Oddly enough the inside hairpin, with the shallow runoff, is the one where I don't have this problem, but my track edge settings are usually whatever the room host has them at. If it's an issue of insufficient power, particularly on sport hards, would it really be that much more apparent on the track edge? It's not an issue at all on comfort hard or medium tires so it would obviously be more apparent on softer compounds, but it doesn't seem right to me that it would be so much more noticeable. Anyway, I appreciate all of the constructive replies and I'm going to keep playing around, hopefully finding lobbies with a "real" track edge.

 

[Warren4649]

Solution, stop drifting with sports hard.

 

[BenBurroughs]

Solution, stop drifting with sports hard.

Isn't that a bit like running away from the problem instead of confronting it?

 

[Knight Spirit]

Isn't that a bit like running away from the problem instead of confronting it?

Not really, you just need to be sensible and use the right tyres for your car...

 

[BenBurroughs]

The only time I encounter any difficulty at all with them is in the aforementioned situation. Had it not been a blanket "don't" remark, and contained useful information or a good argument against the tire selection, I might have been a little more receptive. But it was and it didn't, so I put as much effort into my reply as they did into their comment. I take constructive criticism very well and often run with it when it points me in the right direction, it's one of the best ways to learn anything.

Edit: I'm here for constructive criticism, not blatant douchebaggery.

 

[Mr_Nubinz]

The only time I encounter any difficulty at all with them is in the aforementioned situation. Had it not been a blanket "don't" remark, and contained useful information or a good argument against the tire selection, I might have been a little more receptive. But it was and it didn't, so I put as much effort into my reply as they did into their comment. I take constructive criticism very well and often run with it when it points me in the right direction, it's one of the best ways to learn anything.

Edit: I'm here for constructive criticism, not blatant douchebaggery.

Lol. I have this problem as well sometimes and the simple solution for me has been adjusting my ride height to make sure the under carriage doesn't catch and the tires don't rub the insides of the wheel wells. Hope that helps.

 

[Mad4missiles]

When I hit the strip on CH it tends to increase my angle you can sort of dab the acc to prevent this . Easy fix stick to CH

 

[eddyac]

Go on Cote D' Azur Nipple heaven , I mean Curbs

 

[ZSPaulus]

Lately I've been running comfort softs, and even sport hards, on my 180SX, and I've encountered a problem.

Stopped reading and thought: Oh really?!?

 

[Machate-man]

Solution, stop drifting with sports hard.

Isn't that a bit like running away from the problem instead of confronting it?

Not really, you just need to be sensible and use the right tyres for your car...

Stopped reading and thought: Oh really?!?

Why does everyone do some seem to think that higher grip tyres are the biggest evil to drifting?👎 It's not like it's any easier. It's actually more difficult, but that's off topic...

OT: Due to the higher grip, crossing the curb or the inside line with the inner tyre would cause you to lose grip on the inner tyre, thus losing inward turning force, which is why you straighten out even while turning in. Lower grip ones like CH or CM don't require much to offset them during a turn, which is why they don't have this problem.

Your 180 may not have enough power to drift the CS or SH tyres. Usually, it makes sense to use what's appropriate for the power of the car.

Lol. I have this problem as well sometimes and the simple solution for me has been adjusting my ride height to make sure the under carriage doesn't catch and the tires don't rub the insides of the wheel wells. Hope that helps.

Sorry to counter, but I don't think GT5 simulates contact with the wheels into the wheelwell, nor body with the ground; with possibly the exception of formula cars. Not that you'd be using those to drift....

 

[Warren4649]

Body top the ground contact is, I'm almost sure present, but tire to wheelwell contact isn't.

Otherwise I would have had problem while I was doing that!


I was past 90°, tho I couldn't care less about backward entries by konyar0, on Flickr

 

[ZSPaulus]

It's not like it's any easier. It's actually more difficult, but that's off topic...

And therefore less suited..

Also; i think if your tires dont have a high grip level, the difference between the tire grip and the grip of the rumblestrip is less bigg and therefor creates less of a problem when drifting on them.

If you take a high grip tire on a low grip surface (the rumble strip) then the loss of grip is much more noticable.

(Example which i dont know to be proven: Normal road cars racing on normal tires would be able to brake on a white line in the wet without much trouble. If you take a formula car with slick tires and do the same the car will spin unless its driven by Senna. (or another highly skilled driver))

 

[Mr_Nubinz]

Sorry to counter, but I don't think GT5 simulates contact with the wheels into the wheelwell, nor body with the ground; with possibly the exception of formula cars. Not that you'd be using those to drift....

Your probably right about the wheel wells but I know it will simulate the ground Clearance. With my lower cars if i get to close to a tall rumble strip it will grab my bumper and spin me. Its been like this since gt4.

 

[BenBurroughs]

I started on comfort hards and I still use them on a regular basis, but comfort softs (I very rarely use sport hards, but I occasionally do, so I felt I should include them) provide just a little more grip and allow drifts to connect at a greater speed...what's not to like about that? It's not like I'm running an RS 6 on racing softs or anything. (I picked that as an example because someone was running it in a drift lobby that I just left.)

 

[CJDA9]

I do notice this a lot it just takes practice to know what to do when you get up on a curb or rumble strip. The car can act a different way depending on the situation though, like how on tsukuba there are normal rumble strips but on other tracks there are other types of curbs like in gvs. I cant comment about higher grip tires though.