Ok, I think I am going to scrap the S15..

[scoRRRp]

I have searched the forums for S15 tunes, GT5 tire characteristics, etc., but I think I've had enough. I can not outperform my non-RM RX-7 FD3S with the non-RM Nissan Silvia Spec-R Aero S15 in this game both at 500PP on SH tires, on custom technical Toscana tracks, or any track for that matter. I always come up 3 seconds short against my FD's in lap times no matter what I do with the S15. I am inclined to blaming it on the bicycle wheels and tires that it has compared to the RX-7's godlike tires. I just don't get it, the S15 is even somewhat lighter than the RX-7. One of the times, I actually tuned an S15 with engine upgrades instead of a better turbo, etc. and I got the torque band to be identical to the RX-7's, and the HP band aligned greatly too, yet it still didn't have that amazing feel that the RX-7 has. I mean, when I drive the RX-7, it feels like I am literally tearing the track up, yet when I drive the S15, I have to be very careful with the handling and throttle otherwise I'll get tire spin, or get horrible understeer, and it feels like I am sliding across the track. It's like I am riding a bike . I'd like to give the RX-7, NSX, EVO, etc. some competition with the sexy S15 on technical tracks, and it is my favorite car. I've tried the standard model S15's too, but it seems like they copy and pasted handling characteristic values over to the premium model..

What do I do fellow forumers? If you do not understand what I am talking about, please tune an RX-7 FD and an S15 both to 500PP on SH tires, and observe their racing/handling behaviors. Is not being able to change tire width something that still has been plaguing GT for as long as you can remember?

What I'd really like to know above all else is why on earth are the S15's wheels like that. Why did they put those on that thing.. I don't even.....

 

[Master_gamer438]

try adding weight to get it about the same weight as the rx-7s, adding weight will drop pp so you can add more HP. After you add weight take it for a spin and see where you'll want to shift weight to. Most times same weight/power with 2 cars one will usually be superior. Such as i've seen Dodge RAMs tear apart my NSX in the 550PP class. The truck weighs a lot giving it the advantage of alot of power. And for its weight still that dude was a force to be reckoned with. Sometimes adding ballast will help handling and you then have room for more HP to add. Though I dont run anything usually besides racing softs.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

It's a very well known fact that Evora >= NSX > RX-7... And RX-7 > most other cars.

Meanwhile the S15 is distinctly average.

 

[VTiRoj]

Until PD allow us to change the tyre size, the S15 will always lose to the RX-7. Even the RM S15 has issues against the RX-7 because of the lack of grip it has. Basically the S15 is pretty screwed when it comes to competitive racing.

And yes, this has been an issue in GT since GT3. We can only hope GT6 will feature the ability to equip wider tyres.

 

[Master_gamer438]

Wider tires and tire pressure will make or break GT6 for me. Would love those features.

 

[scoRRRp]

I see guys, thanks for your input. I knew there were issues in that regard.... Master_gamer438, I would try that but Sports Hard are the tires used for the Legend of the Streets group, and I usually tune my suspension to deal with car balance.

Again, thanks guys and let's hope PD realizes their mistake of putting bike wheels on a great car.

 

[cxbra]

I would HIGHLY agree that the S15 of any configuration will lose to a FD3S of the same configuration. It has something to do with the trail/suspension linkage on all of the Silvia's, but especially on the S13's (my 180sx type-x is my favorite lightweight drifter).

Its a fact in true life that Silvia's have traction issues, also why they are the worlds most used drift chassis! I watch the Best Motoring movies and the FD's ALL stay glued to the road and a light drift when pushing it. All of the Silvia's hold the road and suddenly snap into a nice controlled drift, but they STAY drifting which is the problem.

On the game you can counter-act that by turning the toe angle up in the rear to your taste. What im coming to realize in GT5 is that you can get ANY car to do what you want, its just about having an open mind while tuning and tune to what YOU need out of your car. Say you have 0 Toe on the rear of the RX7, you might have to do .50 Toe in the rear of the S15 to get it to perform the same.

 

[scoRRRp]

I would HIGHLY agree that the S15 of any configuration will lose to a FD3S of the same configuration. It has something to do with the trail/suspension linkage on all of the Silvia's, but especially on the S13's (my 180sx type-x is my favorite lightweight drifter).

Its a fact in true life that Silvia's have traction issues, also why they are the worlds most used drift chassis! I watch the Best Motoring movies and the FD's ALL stay glued to the road and a light drift when pushing it. All of the Silvia's hold the road and suddenly snap into a nice controlled drift, but they STAY drifting which is the problem.

On the game you can counter-act that by turning the toe angle up in the rear to your taste. What im coming to realize in GT5 is that you can get ANY car to do what you want, its just about having an open mind while tuning and tune to what YOU need out of your car. Say you have 0 Toe on the rear of the RX7, you might have to do .50 Toe in the rear of the S15 to get it to perform the same.

Hmm, I'll take that into mind. Thanks.

 

[CSLACR]

I would strongly disagree, for what it's worth. Anything you can gain in grip tuning one car, you can usually gain in tuning on the next car.
Meaning if one car is better, it will still be better after tuning, especially when it comes to PP based racing.

If you really truly want an equal field of varying cars in GT5, you'll need to accept different PP limits for some of them, higher for the slower cars or lower for the faster cars is really the only choice.

It's a pain in the ass to do the pre-race checks compared to what we'd all like, but you'll find no better solution for equalizing any cars you want.
I always recommend going lower PP though, usually cars that suffer in PP racing have less grip overall, so lowering the PP makes it easier to set the cars up, because adding power to something lacking grip just makes it more of a handful and rarely improves lap times efficiently.

 

[scoRRRp]

I always recommend going lower PP though, usually cars that suffer in PP racing have less grip overall, so lowering the PP makes it easier to set the cars up, because adding power to something lacking grip just makes it more of a handful and rarely improves lap times efficiently.

You are very right in that regard, this has worked very well for me before, might do it again. the little wheels on the S15 are an eyesore though..

 

[JackWilson]

Them front tyres just look wrong.
Are all the silvias tyres the same?

 

[Mrbil84]

You are very right in that regard, this has worked very well for me before, might do it again. the little wheels on the S15 are an eyesore though..

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Seriously, look at the rear!

 

[john860707]