Online Pet Peeves

[jgancherjr]

I got accused of hacking my 3-speed ACR drag car. It's just a 6 speed with a ridiculously high gear set that with 1015hp and the messed up physics of GT I can light the tires up(RS as it is a Drag car) and run 1st 85mph. 1-3rd are the only gears used out of the 6 gears available.

I can go along with this 👍 I use to have an auto ACR tune an she popped into 4th gear right as you crossed the line.. Wasn't "quite" as fast as the 6 speed but very competitive 👍

Engine sounds are also said to be horrible in this game and the quality of standard cars.

I'm not impressed by most, but honestly I'd say my 2nd or 3rd favorite sounding car is the standard Cerbera Speed 12. # 1 being the Mark IV, and #2 and 3 being a toss up between the Speed 12 and 2010 Camaro RM (even though I HATE Chevy)

 

[Johnnypenso]

I am mostly a low PP street car guy so that is all I will speak of.

The cars I own with the best engines have 5 speed transmissions.
My Toyota votz has a great motor, but it is held back by it's lame 5-speed transmission.

You, I, and anyone that has more than a hundred hours into this game, knows that if the best transmission you can get for your new car is a 5-speed, you have a fast car.

You really are trying to make your case based on engine sounds? Really?

Not sure where you're going with this, I wasn't aware I was making a case, just responding to your troll bait about cheating. There is no case to be made. The PP system is well intact with hybrids so long as you don't go wild with the HP, that's an established fact to anyone who has done any significant hybriding. If I swap out the crappy sounding V8 in a 2010 Camaro SS with one that actually sounds good with a similar torque/power curve, it drives the same with better sound. If there is some advantage power wise in the motor, the PP is automatically adjusted in the game as it would for any other car when you add and delete parts and fiddle with the power/torque curve as a result.

I never mentioned transmission swaps but I can answer that as well. It's on my list of things to get done, but I haven't got to it yet other than on a kart, which I don't race online. Same answer though, going from a 5 to a 6 speed on some cars will make them marginally faster, on the order of a couple of tenths at best, but it won't make any car a world beater it just doesn't work that way. Most power curves can be tuned to be broad enough that transmission choice of 5 vs, 6 has little to no effect, other than having more options for lower gear spacing.

First time around with hybriding I tried to break the system vigorously for more than a month and I couldn't, other than with excessive hp which made the cars undriveable with any real consistency. The PP system works, all hybriding does is allow you to make uncompetitive cars, more competitive, not better than the best. For example, I made a 69' Vette competitive at 500PP, but not quite as fast as an NSX, Evora etc. in my hands, but fast enough to be in the mix.

 

[jgancherjr]

The PP system works,

I don't want to start an argument but the PP system is far from flawless (as we seen when they "fixed" the PP in an update then immediately reverted back) .. Another example: Somehow, which to me is unknown, I built two Hybrids.. One of which is a Dodge Ram that has been lightened with 4000HP, and another is the Shelby GT350 with about 1200HP and AWD.. Both of these cars have maintained a 550PP which "I believe" is where they were to begin with? Again I don't know how it happened, it was an accident..

 

[Johnnypenso]

I don't want to start an argument but the PP system is far from flawless (as we seen when they "fixed" the PP in an update then immediately reverted back) .. Another example: Somehow, which to me is unknown, I built two Hybrids.. One of which is a Dodge Ram that has been lightened with 4000HP, and another is the Shelby GT350 with about 1200HP and AWD.. Both of these cars have maintained a 550PP which "I believe" is where they were to begin with? Again I don't know how it happened, it was an accident..

Since you obviously didn't read what I wrote, I'll requote and highlight the relevant parts for you.

Not sure where you're going with this, I wasn't aware I was making a case, just responding to your troll bait about cheating. There is no case to be made. The PP system is well intact with hybrids so long as you don't go wild with the HP, that's an established fact to anyone who has done any significant hybriding. ....

 

[jgancherjr]

Since you obviously didn't read what I wrote, I'll requote and highlight the relevant parts for you.

Let me do the same

The PP system is well intact with hybrids so long as you don't go wild with the HP, that's an established fact to anyone who has done any significant hybriding.

That would be me..

A Dodge Ram that has been lightened by an additional 200kg with 4000HP, and another is the Shelby GT350 with about 1200HP and AWD Stock weight..

*Red text i added*

With these two cars weight and stats were they are at, they would only gain pp up to:
Dodge Ram: 12,000HP
Shelby GT350: 8400HP

..At that point (after a 1500% increase in HP) the PP will begin decreasing rather than increasing, and addition of approx. 400% hp should have only raised the PP on the Ram. Same with the addition of approx 116% addition on the Shelby.. especially when you throw in this..

Many 4wd have disadvantageous torque curves that get over rated by the PP system costing them valuable HP in the process.

So a PP overated 4WD system and no loss of that valuable hp should make the PP decrease? I can read just fine, I was informing you of my only 2 unusually instances.. I can show you Way more ridiculous cars that have considerably higher HP that have gained plenty of PP..

 

[GTV0819]

I'm not impressed by most, but honestly I'd say my 2nd or 3rd favorite sounding car is the standard Cerbera Speed 12. # 1 being the Mark IV, and #2 and 3 being a toss up between the Speed 12 and 2010 Camaro RM (even though I HATE Chevy)

Still, PD makes horrible engine sounds for cars in Gran Turismo games and not all of the them have the real engine sound from the real life car. But again, I'm not the only one saying this.

 

[jgancherjr]

Still, PD makes horrible engine sounds for cars in Gran Turismo games and not all of the them have the real engine sound from the real life car. But again, I'm not the only one saying this.

This... Well I can agree with this 👍

 

[Johnnypenso]

..pointless wall of text....

Thanks for agreeing with me and proving my point. Excessive hp breaks the PP system we all know that, it's been known for months. It also is easy to spot and control in any lobby and many of the cars are virtually undrivable with any speed or consistency anyway. But if you are building cars with relatively the same power and PP levels, the PP system works just fine.

 

[Dan]

My online pet peeves:

While drifting at Tsukuba in my RUF BTR (which is slower than most other cars, but I don't mind), people always try to pass me on the outside on the final turn and either wind up spinning out or knocking me into the pit lane.

People in AWD cars such as the Skyline R34 drifting and hitting everyone on the track. I no longer care what car you drive, as long as you can control it and not hit me.

People ghosting in the middle of the track. When people join after you ghost, your car becomes invincible and can block the track for them.

I don't like hybrid haters either...

We have a choice to use it or not.
A choice whether or not to cheat.
Those of you that do not believe in right or wrong or just choose to do wrong are ruining it for the rest of us.
I don’t consider you who use this garage editing software to be a hacker...

You are just a hack !

I actually laughed a couple times while reading this. You sound like you're preaching the bible when it comes to hybrid hate. Acting like hybrids are pure evil sent to the online world to cause mayhem and destruction. I can actually imagine you standing on a podium in front of a group of people, shouting out your hatred of these demon hybrids.

Now, it's a little tough to tell whether you're just stupid... or plain trolling. I'm leaning towards the latter and I'll just add you to my ignore list... after I get to see some funny, ignorant replies.

 

[jgancherjr]

...Wall of pointless text...

...Blissful ignorance...

And 1200HP is excessive? Way to call that one...

I'll just add you to my ignore list.

I completely forgot that existed! Thanks for brining it up 👍

 

[Anathema]

People who use the Lamborghini Gallardo.

It's not the car; it's the brake lights. I can't see them, and unless I slam the brakes on quickly, I might hit you.

I do my braking based on what others are doing; if I can shave a few seconds off by braking later than you are while still remaining in control, I'll do it. Problem is... I rely too much on the brake lights of the other car(s), and the Gallardo's are hard to see.

 

[Dan]

People who use the Lamborghini Gallardo.

It's not the car; it's the brake lights. I can't see them, and unless I slam the brakes on quickly, I might hit you.

I do my braking based on what others are doing; if I can shave a few seconds off by braking later than you are while still remaining in control, I'll do it. Problem is... I rely too much on the brake lights of the other car(s), and the Gallardo's are hard to see.

The RUF RGT '00 also has annoyingly small taillights.

 

[fbccars924]

I can go along with this 👍 I use to have an auto ACR tune an she popped into 4th gear right as you crossed the line.. Wasn't "quite" as fast as the 6 speed but very competitive 👍

Mine is faster out of the hole because 1st to 2nd is around the same time as the 6 speeds are going from 2nd to 3rd. Now further down the road it's not as fast from 120-165mph crossing Indy's line at 155mph.

 

[Johnnypenso]

And 1200HP is excessive? Way to call that one...

Please provide a list of all the 1200 HP/550 PP cars before hybriding. Please provide a list of all 550PP cars with only 750HP that aren't overweight juggernauts and are actually competitive at 550PP.

Case closed.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Mr. Johnnypenso, you are playing the “troll” card on me?

I read the OP and posted a response. I said accusations of hacking were on the rise and that was my pet peeve.

You replied to my post and basically called me a liar.

You ignore the problem because you like to play with your hacked cars.

This is from yesterday in the ‘worst I’ve dealt with’ thread. There are many more like it, just read the thread.

So was just in a Ferrari f1 lobby on spa every one was in there 2007 f1 I jump in my f10 and proceed to out qualify everyone by 1.6 seconds .
At this point the host says I must be cutting the chicane and says I must back out and run another lap with him watching so I do and post a time within a tenth of my previous time.
So now after watching my lap seeing I didn't cut the chicane he now shouts out I'm a hacker and says he will kick me unless I admit it
My reply look at the TT time sheets you see my name there in top 200 regularly i don't need to cheat mate if any ones cheating its the guy in a bright yellow Ferrari f1 GOODBYE

 

[Johnnypenso]

Mr. Johnnypenso, you are playing the “troll” card on me?

I read the OP and posted a response. I said accusations of hacking were on the rise and that was my pet peeve.

You replied to my post and basically called me a liar.

You ignore the problem because you like to play with your hacked cars.

This is from yesterday in the ‘worst I’ve dealt with’ thread. There are many more like it, just read the thread.

The example you gave is quite funny actually. There's a guy in the race with a yellow Ferrari and he's not called a hacker, but the guy who wins is. This is exactly what I'm talking about when I said it's the equivalent of shouting "cheater" when you are a sore loser. Doesn't mean they believe you are a hacker, it means they are a poor sport and "Hacking" is the slander d'jour.

Sorry you took it so personally Crunch, not my intent. I'm not sure how "I don't think it happens very often" and that it's the equivalent of a sore loser shouting "cheater", turns into calling you a liar but so be it. 100,000 people a day still play GT, 250,000 on GTP. 1 or 2 a day say they were called a hacker. Doesn't seem like much to me but we all read what we want to into posts I suppose.

 

[jgancherjr]

Please provide a list of all the 1200 HP/550 PP cars before hybriding. Please provide a list of all 550PP cars with only 750HP that aren't overweight juggernauts and are actually competitive at 550PP.

Case closed.

So taking 400kg off of a Bugatti Veyron should make it lose 100+ PP? Correct?

 

[Johnnypenso]

So taking 400kg off of a Bugatti Veyron should make it lose 100+ PP? Correct?

You're going around in circles and I have no idea what you are on about. I don't care what you do to the Veyron or any other car through hybriding, you cannot take an uncompetitive car and make it unbeatable using hybriding. You can make it compete, but not unbeatable. If you can take a Veyron and hybrid it without giving it massive HP and beat a top 600-650PP car let's see it.

If you can disprove my statement with some facts go ahead, the floor is yours. The PP system works with hybrids, meaning you cannot hybrid a car to a given PP and make it any faster than the best cars at that PP level, short of going to excessive amounts of power which breaks the system, end of story. You can however make uncompetitive cars competitive. If you can build a car that isn't normally competitive and use hybriding without using excessive HP to break the system, and outrace an Elise at 500PP or an LFA at 550 you will be the first. I can't explain it simpler than that.

 

[jgancherjr]

You're going around in circles and I have no idea what you are on about. If you can disprove my statement with some facts go ahead, the floor is yours. The PP system works with hybrids, meaning you cannot hybrid a car to a given PP and make it any faster than the best cars at that PP level, short of going to excessive amounts of power which breaks the system, end of story. You can however make uncompetitive cars competitive. If you can build a car that isn't normally competitive and use hybriding without using excessive HP to break the system, and outrace an Elise at 500PP or an LFA at 550 you will be the first. I can't explain it simpler than that.

We are both going around in circles and you have also stated that hybriding and PP work. So, the last time i'm gonna try to explain this:

Bugatti Veyron:___________________________Shelby GT350
over 1200 hp_____________________________1200hp
over 1400kg______________________________around 1000 kg
around 650 pp____________________________550pp
4wd_____________________________________4wd

So with the above being said, with the Shelby essentially a 400KG lighter Veyron, why is it atleast 100pp less? This is the point I am trying to make, I do not know how the PP ended up at 550, I did not purposely hybrid it to this PP , but clearly a 400kg lighter Veyron will destroy anything at a 550PP level, no?

 

[Johnnypenso]

...explain this:

Bugatti Veyron:___________________________Shelby GT350
over 1200 hp_____________________________1200hp
over 1400kg______________________________around 1000 kg
around 650 pp____________________________550pp
4wd_____________________________________4wd

So with the above being said, with the Shelby essentially a 400KG lighter Veyron, why is it atleast 100pp less? This is the point I am trying to make, I do not know how the PP ended up at 550, I did not purposely hybrid it to this PP , but clearly a 400kg lighter Veyron will destroy anything at a 550PP level, no?

And for the tenth time, excessive HP breaks the system as I've mentioned over and over ad nauseum. If the system is broken, comparisons are meaningless, likes yours above. You broke the system with the Shelby end of story.

And just so you know, the Shelby is not "essentially a 400 kg lighter Veyron" The Shelby has about the worst longitudinal and lateral grip in the game whereas the Veyron is actually a decent car, most people just can't drive it.

 

[Pit Crew]

Players who slam into you, apologise for doing so, make up the excuse that they didn't know you were going to brake there, though its been your braking zone all race, then keep going.

I compete in a friends league (Amateur Tier, Uses boost to encourage pack driving and close finishes) with a guy like this (He typically struggles in qualifying but relys heavily on Boost to stay competitive) and have made it my personal mission to drive circles around him (In non Boost events Like Endurance or LMS style races) from that point forward, whether I win race or not. That "scrub cost me a podium 2 weeks ago, (Amateur Tier) and that just won't do.

 

[jgancherjr]

And just so you know, the Shelby is not "essentially a 400 kg lighter Veyron" The FTO Super touring car drivetrain equipped Shelby with additional weight has about the worst longitudinal and lateral grip in the game whereas the Veyron is actually a decent car, most people just can't drive it.

Just put me on your ignore list as I am putting you on mine, as soon as I am unblinded by your brilliance...

*Edit: added to list, will not see a response.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Just put me on your ignore list as I am putting you on mine, as soon as I am unblinded by your brilliance...

*Edit: added to list, will not see a response.

Glad you can't see this...lol. A drivetrain is not a chassis. All you get is the 4wd of the FTO, not the handling of the chassis. Adding 4wd to a car programmed for low lateral grip doesn't change the grip when cornering. It still corners like a slug.

 

[GTV0819]

Glad you can't see this...lol. A drivetrain is not a chassis. All you get is the 4wd of the FTO, not the handling of the chassis. Adding 4wd to a car programmed for low lateral grip doesn't change the grip when cornering. It still corners like a slug.

This is possible through hybridding, right? Changing one's drivetrain?

 

[Smuttysy]

At the risk of fanning the flames here, with the same power and less weight the game determines that your car is less able to transfer that power to the road, therefore your grip level (as determined by the game's calculations) are dramatically lowered.
This then makes the PP lower, despite essentially having the same parts loadout.
This is also why a half-million bhp X1 weighing 500kg (for example) gets a negative PP value. The same BHP value in a 2 tonne Audi will likely have a positive value, or an extremely higher negative PP at the very least.

In the case of the Veyron and GT350, I suspect if it were possible to add another 400kg of ballast you would see a much closer PP value to the Veyron.

 

[jgancherjr]

At the risk of fanning the flames here, with the same power and less weight the game determines that your car is less able to transfer that power to the road, therefore your grip level (as determined by the game's calculations) are dramatically lowered.
This then makes the PP lower, despite essentially having the same parts loadout.
This is also why a half-million bhp X1 weighing 500kg (for example) gets a negative PP value. The same BHP value in a 2 tonne Audi will likely have a positive value, or an extremely higher negative PP at the very least.

In the case of the Veyron and GT350, I suspect if it were possible to add another 400kg of ballast you would see a much closer PP value to the Veyron.

Haha I love the way this starts :tup; .. I'm gonna swap the chassis to just a plain Veyron chassis on an unmodded GT350 and see what happens, maybe it's just something about this car?

This is possible through hybridding, right? Changing one's drivetrain?

Correct.

 

[Lock2Lock]

This is possible through hybridding, right? Changing one's drivetrain?

Yep.
Let me know if you want to know how to do it and I will be happy to send you a step by step 👍.

I do it in a way that they actually will show up in your garage while in a lobby with the drive train restriction on.

 

[GTV0819]

Yep.
Let me know if you want to know how to do it and I will be happy to send you a step by step 👍.

I do it in a way that they actually will show up in your garage while in a lobby with the drive train restriction on.

Seriously?

 

[Lock2Lock]

Seriously?

Seriously what?
I don't mind helping you, why would I not?

 

[GTV0819]

Seriously what?
I don't mind helping you, why would I not?

Fine. Send me the steps then and also, if done, the drivetrain swap will be permanent on a certain car, am I right?