Opinions needed: My drift setup

[FuJi K]

I've actually looked into drifting after 2 events I went to here in my state(MN). AARRF events they be. So I then bought myself a white S13 Silvia in GT3.

Car: Nissan Silvia 2000cc (pushing right under 500hp)
Mods: Stage 3 turbo (does it have stage 4, I forgot?), Racing IC, Racing Muffler, Engine balance, port & polish, ECU upgrade,
Fully adjustible Suspension
Stock transmission with racing clutch (stage 3), stock Flywheel, 1.5way rear LSD

High performance 'Sport Tires' rapped around Gold ADVAN RG's

Suspension setup
Spring rate f/r: 11.8 / 11.8
Dampers b bound f/r: 7 / 9
Dampers rebound f/r: 10 / 10
Camber f/r: 2.0 / 2.0
Toe f/r: 0.00 / -0.10
Stabilizers f/r: 7 / 6

Drifting all controlled using PS2 controller. I'm not sure how much of a difference it is using the GT3 steering wheel & paddels. Feedback on this steering wheel is much appreciated. I like drifting on the last S-turn on Grand Valley Speedway. So how's this setup?

FuJi

 

[battle_stage]

I don't like it. Believe it or not, most of these cars need little to no modifications or tuning.

 

[XzifT]

Stickier Tires. 500 HP is too much for sports.

 

[Driftster]

Are you trying to Exhibition drift? if so I sudgest less power...The only cars I ever put over 400HP in are AWD cars.

 

[battle_stage]

If you're a noob, check this out

http://www.freewebs.com/monkeyd/drifting.html

 

[Delphic Reason]

The tires are fine, but you should get the racing transmision and change the camber so there's more angle in the front then the back, I usualy use: front 3.5, rear 1.5. Some of your other settings are questionable like your stabilizer settings. I suggest not messing with the settings unless you know what your doing.

 

[Delphic Reason]

Originally posted by XzifT
Stickier Tires. 500 HP is too much for sports.

What are you talking about? 500hp is not too much for sport tires, in fact it's just about right.

 

[FuJi K]

I forgot a few things....Stage 1 weight reduction, 88mm front, 89mm rear for ride height.

The only reason I give it all the HP available is so it can have enough power to drift in long sweapers. I can fully press the steering and accelerator button and do it variably. When the rear end doesn't kick around, I know I'll have power to get it sliding with a stab of the throttle.

 

[battle_stage]

You sound like you're new to this. Trust me when I say this, and learn in a stock car on sims. You'll only benefit. Power isn't everything.

 

[FuJi K]

Setting up the suspension I know quite well how to go about doing so. I stuck with those springs rates because too stiff will cause the car to slide too good. haha

I don't know if I need more camber because of the stabilizers being set high like they are, they've taken away body roll so less camber is needed unless if there was tire side wall flex involved in GT3.

It would probably help me more if I knew where the hot spots are on the tires after running a few hot laps, that way I can tune in the suspension.

My resouces:
www.turnfast.com

 

[exhaust_note]

the 1800cc handles better and just tune it up to like 197 hp and put sims on it , lightweight stage 3 and full drive train mods and ur good to go.

 

[FuJi K]

I'll slap the simulation tires on when I go out drifting again, just to see what the hype is about.

Technically I'm not so new to playing GT3, but just a little new to drifting with RWD cars because I've been fine tuning my WRX STi Ver 6 on Grand Valley Speedway for over 3 years. For me, I have the best setup right now in my STi 6. It's all about grip driving in my STi.

EDIT: BTW, my S13 is supposed to be my Ultimate drift machine. I have the C-west Racing Silvia but I’ve yet to give it a set up.

 

[exhaust_note]

i never tried the razo silvia, never had the urge to go and win it... I think ill go and do get it though, better be worth it...

 

[FuJi K]

If you guys have any questions concerning my suspension setup, please do so ask so you'll know why I set it the way I did. There's always a reason to everything, and a reason why I set the car up as it is like I posted; suspension, drivetrain, power others.

Good night now, post away!
FuJi

 

[battle_stage]

I know you're new to drifting, that's what I meant.

 

[pergatory]

I think this guy knows more than you quick-to-prove-yourself regulars are giving him credit for. Anyway, I recommend using lower dampers in the rear than the front, so that weight tends to transfer more from side to side in the rear. Also, drop the stabilizers to 1, stabilizers suck. I also agree about lowering the rear camber to just a little below the front, about 1 degree or so usually. The reason for this is because the line that the rear tires take is farther to the outside than the front tires (as oppose to grip racing).

Oh yeah, and definetely get used to the steering wheel, drifting with the regular controller is a struggle at best.

 

[battle_stage]

I can tell his keen with setting up cars already. IMHO everyone should learn drifting in a stock car and on sims. Learn to do more with less.

 

[XzifT]

Most every car drifts perfectly fine with sims, no ASM, or TCS. maybe weight reduction...(By the way, you see my vid, Boss?)

 

[battle_stage]

I just downloaded it. Gonna watch it during break along with Night_Drifter's vid.

 

[XzifT]

Sounds good.

 

[FuJi K]

Originally posted by pergatory
Anyway, I recommend using lower dampers in the rear than the front, so that weight tends to transfer more from side to side in the rear. Also, drop the stabilizers to 1, stabilizers suck. I also agree about lowering the rear camber to just a little below the front, about 1 degree or so usually. The reason for this is because the line that the rear tires take is farther to the outside than the front tires (as oppose to grip racing).

Oh yeah, and definetely get used to the steering wheel, drifting with the regular controller is a struggle at best.

Dampers, do you mean by bound or rebound? Because dampers are the only thing that are resisting fast spring movement, they are what makes the vehicle more responsive. And the more responsive they are, the quicker the tires take their set/place (then again too fast and they'll over cook and then you've gone over the traction circle; too much slip angle).

Setting the rears dampers higher benifit from power oversteering because of weight being transferred to the rear. Those higher damper settings allow the rears to get loose quicker (meaning overcooking the traction circle).

I think a lot of you drifters are using weight and body roll to induce drifting. From tuning my STi Ver 6, it's about quick response and grip. So lowering dampers would make the vehicle less responsive. To get more body roll, I can reduce the spring rates because they are what's keeping the vehicle up. OR I can reduce the stabilizer settings down a few notches, but I don't like a leaning vehicle, I like a flat vehicle. If I can get my S13 to drift staying flat, that's a good accomplishment because staying flat means it's gripping more. Then again when it starts to lose it at one end, it can wipe out sooner because the non-slipping end is gripping unless controlled by countersteering.

Suppose I can drop the rear camber to say 1.0-1.5 degrees negative. It'll have more initial grip as opposed to cornering grip, which can lead to the rear end kicking out slower, but I'll give it a try.

Honestly, I don't have a PS2 or GT3 game, but my PS2 memo card with GT3 game file. I go play at my nephew's house and sometimes I borrow the PS2 so I can get a day or two to lay down rubber.

FuJi

 

[nucesone]

you good to go kid,the only thing you need to do with you car is to practice with it and get better,and if you are good then start with other settings and change the power band of your car to make it harder.



I was reading and some one posted saying "you don't need to alot off power to drift" Acctually dont lissen to him,what ever your comftable with and you think you can handle then do it.


i have a RX-7 with 620 or so power with sport tires and it can woop you down a striaght and in drifting.

 

[battle_stage]

I was reading and some one posted saying "you don't need to alot off power to drift" Acctually dont lissen to him,what ever your comftable with and you think you can handle then do it.

You don't need any power to drift. That's why I'd own you and your FD in a stock AE86.

 

[Night_Drifter]

everyone knows i drift with super soft tires, but i have the setting to drift with super soft, its sliding and slippery, i dont know if you guys understand me, but my setting makes my car slippery a lot, just like using sim tires also, well thats what i have!!

 

[battle_stage]

I know what you mean.

 

[toyomatt84]

Here is my settings for that car.

Toyomatt84's S13 Drift Silvia

Fully Customized Suspension
Sport Brakes
Brake Balance Controller

Racing Muffler
Sport Chip
Port Polish
Engine Balance

Full Race Tranny
Triple Plate Clutch
Race Flywheel
Fully Customized Limited Slip Differential
Carbon Driveshaft

Stage 4 Turbo
Race Intercooler

Supersoft Front Tires
Normal Rear Tires

Stage 3 Lightening of the Car

Spring Height
6.0 7.9
Ride Height
89 89
Shock Bound
5 7
Shock Rebound
6 7
Camber
3.0 .5
Toe
-.5 1.5
Stabalizers
3 3

Brake Balance
4 24

Limited Slip Initial
50
Limited Slip Accel.
50
Limited Slip Decel.
18
Gears
1. 3.000
2. 2.160
3. 1.700
4. 1.370
5. 1.147
6. .965
Final 3.980
Auto 24

Active Stability Manager
0
Traction Control System
0

 

[toyomatt84]

It handles beautifully, plus you could always let off the gas to get out of a drift in it, its nice. I hope you like it.

 

[sny_pher]

If there isn't enough power, how can a car stay in the drift especially for those long sweeping corners? Even with 350 hp on an S15, it feels hard to maintain those sort of drifts, anyone got any ideas?

 

[battle_stage]

Practice... 350hp is plenty.