ORS | SEASON 2 | Lexus IS-F RM Series
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- Lost-on-drugz
Nice seat wilco and stand. are those one any good? and nice size of the projector!
i dont think ill puta ppic of mine up its to rugged use will all just luagh at me =(
i dont think ill puta ppic of mine up its to rugged use will all just luagh at me =(
- 499
- Hobart, Tas
- X3rx3s44
Yeah that is the spring rate, I just realised that, I actually ran 13.0/10.0 at Fuji F and then switched to that for Nurburgring. I am now testing a few different methods of finding a more precisely balanced spring rate figure, so I may have to update my setup if I find something more suitable! 👍
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- Lost-on-drugz
oh good old ebay.. oni was telling me u improved more last night cracked those times down and done a way better PB??
and ahh yeah i had thought as much xerxsees ill come jump on in abit later mate..
and ahh yeah i had thought as much xerxsees ill come jump on in abit later mate..
- 258
- Willco69
yeah lost, we were just running hards after u left. when i did practice session in the morning, was in the low 1.58's. By the time we finished last night, as in the low 1.56's. So there's still a bit to go till i can challenge u, xerx, oni etc, but im not giving up. I think i'll be on the hards for the race too.
- 626
- Lost-on-drugz
👍👍:tup:good stuff mate thats still very impressive 2 second gain! that could be the difference from being able to stay on someones draft to do a 55 ..... i think its just about how smooth u drive the car why we quick on them. i have no idea really was just a guess as it just comes natural to me racing. . . maybe i just find the better line through the corners?
- 258
- Willco69
I agree, you need to be very nice to your hards or they wont last you 8 laps!
Smooth on throttle out of the corners,for sure. I think you're right that i need to work out a better line around corners too, there's probably a second in that too.
Practice makes perfect though, and everyone is going to have the same problem looking after their tyres - its not a sprint race. Looking forward to watching Micks vid of the race, specially turns 1 and 2 of lap 1.. will be a test (and fun) to watch 3 abreast around those turns.. lol
- 626
- Lost-on-drugz
Yeah probably a second in just that alone! i found that u can get upto 7tenths in a lap time by just playing around with your gearing... so another second basicly.
and yeah 1st corner is going to be hektick glad i have a good take off to try get away from the hassale thats going to be on the first lap....
yes micks video would be good !!
and yeah 1st corner is going to be hektick glad i have a good take off to try get away from the hassale thats going to be on the first lap....
yes micks video would be good !!
- 499
- Hobart, Tas
- X3rx3s44
Good race tonight all! 
I am personally disappointed that knowing I had such good car speed all I could do was 5th as a result of the damage I picked up... Those who have tested my setup can attest to how "loose" the back-end is, as I like it, but when you then get rear damage it is virtually undrivable!...
Sorry to Mike and Oni for the lag collisions!
If I can't get them sorted I may be forced to abandon the Championship unfortunately because it is not fair that my connection ruins others races.
Oni, after discussing the issue of tyre handicap at length in the lobby with who was remaining I think a poll should be included for everyone to vote and decide on a new direction, abandoning the Hards due to them having considerably worse wear than either the Mediums or Softs. The two options we (who remained) agreed could be voted on are;
1) Fast drivers run Mediums ONLY. While Slower drivers start on Mediums to minimise the risk of incidents on the first laps and then can run Softs after lap 5 (lap 6 including parade lap) for the rest of the race, or,
2) Fast drivers run Mediums ONLY. While Slower drivers start on Mediums, again to minimise incident risk and have ONE SET ONLY of Softs available to them at any stage after lap 5 (lap 6 including parade lap) and then run Mediums at ALL other stages of the race.
To simplify the poll, fast driver tyres can be ignored as the consensus is that fast drivers need to be on the Mediums for the entire race distance due to atrotious Hard tyre wear. All that needs to be determined is, do slower drivers have Mediums + 1 set of Softs ,or, do slower drivers start on Mediums and have the ability to run Softs from the end of lap 5 for the rest of the race.
Cheers, Xerx
PS. My vote would likely be that slower drivers start on Mediums and then can run Softs from the end of lap 5 simply because I feel that if they only have access to a single set of Softs the handicap will not be significant enough to keep the racing as close as we intended this handicap system to make it...
EDIT:
Also, some clarity needs to be given about how we deterine who is deemed "fast" and "slower"...
Clearly, those who ran sub-32s in the Qualifier at Fuji F are deemed fast but it also needs to be noted that some who ran times 32.0xx+ are also eligibe to be deemed fast and I think if their Championship performance reflects this trend then they should be promoted to the "fast" category, three who immediately spring to mind are; Willco, Jol and Mike!
Comments or suggestions on anything I have spoken about above are welcome by all Championship participants! 👍
I am personally disappointed that knowing I had such good car speed all I could do was 5th as a result of the damage I picked up... Those who have tested my setup can attest to how "loose" the back-end is, as I like it, but when you then get rear damage it is virtually undrivable!...
Sorry to Mike and Oni for the lag collisions!
If I can't get them sorted I may be forced to abandon the Championship unfortunately because it is not fair that my connection ruins others races.
Oni, after discussing the issue of tyre handicap at length in the lobby with who was remaining I think a poll should be included for everyone to vote and decide on a new direction, abandoning the Hards due to them having considerably worse wear than either the Mediums or Softs. The two options we (who remained) agreed could be voted on are;
1) Fast drivers run Mediums ONLY. While Slower drivers start on Mediums to minimise the risk of incidents on the first laps and then can run Softs after lap 5 (lap 6 including parade lap) for the rest of the race, or,
2) Fast drivers run Mediums ONLY. While Slower drivers start on Mediums, again to minimise incident risk and have ONE SET ONLY of Softs available to them at any stage after lap 5 (lap 6 including parade lap) and then run Mediums at ALL other stages of the race.
To simplify the poll, fast driver tyres can be ignored as the consensus is that fast drivers need to be on the Mediums for the entire race distance due to atrotious Hard tyre wear. All that needs to be determined is, do slower drivers have Mediums + 1 set of Softs ,or, do slower drivers start on Mediums and have the ability to run Softs from the end of lap 5 for the rest of the race.
Cheers, Xerx
PS. My vote would likely be that slower drivers start on Mediums and then can run Softs from the end of lap 5 simply because I feel that if they only have access to a single set of Softs the handicap will not be significant enough to keep the racing as close as we intended this handicap system to make it...
EDIT:
Also, some clarity needs to be given about how we deterine who is deemed "fast" and "slower"...
Clearly, those who ran sub-32s in the Qualifier at Fuji F are deemed fast but it also needs to be noted that some who ran times 32.0xx+ are also eligibe to be deemed fast and I think if their Championship performance reflects this trend then they should be promoted to the "fast" category, three who immediately spring to mind are; Willco, Jol and Mike!
Comments or suggestions on anything I have spoken about above are welcome by all Championship participants! 👍
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- Lost-on-drugz
Well put xerxsees, ill have to agree with what option you wanted to go with,
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- Willco69
yeah xerx, i also ran the handicap for this first race. Got sandwiched going into turn 3, and got steering damage as a result of it. going around the first right hander, i was trying to compensate for the steering damage, over-corrected and into the wall. This gave me engine, and steering damage - limping back to the pitts was very very slow.. and i was 59 seconds of the leader when i crossed the start finish line for the first time!
I must admit i felt i had absolutley NO chance of catching ANYONE, as i was on the hards. I saw taital pitt around lap 6, and was pretty close to him (maybe 3 seconds) but i had no chance of catching him as he was on softs, and i was on hards.
It felt like i was just circulating when on the hards, but i was able to actually push on the mediums. By then it was too late.
The problem with the hards is you can almost match the mediums pace, but you smash your tyres much quicker.
I think faster drivers should be limited to mediums and only mediums, while slower guys should run softs (and possibly only softs).
I must admit i felt i had absolutley NO chance of catching ANYONE, as i was on the hards. I saw taital pitt around lap 6, and was pretty close to him (maybe 3 seconds) but i had no chance of catching him as he was on softs, and i was on hards.
It felt like i was just circulating when on the hards, but i was able to actually push on the mediums. By then it was too late.
The problem with the hards is you can almost match the mediums pace, but you smash your tyres much quicker.
I think faster drivers should be limited to mediums and only mediums, while slower guys should run softs (and possibly only softs).
- 180
- GTP_Bonson
Whatever we decide to do in regards to this handicap, 2 things need to happen.
1. The hard tyre HAS to go. It is too much of an annoyance, and has no benefits whatsoever. We've all pretty much signed off on this so that's good.
2. It has to be a decision that is made by the guys that are going to be affected by it.
In regards to how we do it, it's a complicated system to give everyone different tyres and not be affected by the results it produces. Last race, we saw Rota and Jol blitz everyone and there wasn't a whole lot any of the front runners could do to stop them. A lot of that is circumstantial, perhaps Jol shouldn't have been running on the softer of the tyres, but Rota uses his DS3 and is consistantly (for the moment) slower than the guys at the front, but he's also consistantly quicker than some of the slower guys. So what I think we should do is have 3 systems.
All qualify on the soft compund, to give us an accurate grid.
-The slowest guys start on the soft tyre and can use the soft tyre throughout the whole race
-The medium guys (like Rota) start on the medium tyre and can then use the soft tyre throughout the whole race
-The quickest guys have to use the medium throughout the whole race.
What this also means is that guys like Oni don't have to spend hours pouring through replays to ensure that everyone abided by the rules (not that anyone would, but it's still nice to know). This method can be policed at the start and then forgotten about. And the medium guys can pit from lap 1 onwards as long as they start on the medium tyre.
The medium is a fantastic tyre. It has so many different options, you COULD 1 stop the race if you were kind, or you could push like hell and 2 stop it. It's a great tyre for strategy and it doesn't feel like you're going to fly off the race track because of a lack of grip. I wore my mediums down to bald last night, and they still felt better at 10% tread than the hards did at 90%.
Anyway, whatever we decide to do, I'm easy, as long as the hard tyre goes for good. As I said before the race, it's a horrible tyre, and it was going to cause nothing but problems from the outset. so good Riddance! 👍
Cheers.
1. The hard tyre HAS to go. It is too much of an annoyance, and has no benefits whatsoever. We've all pretty much signed off on this so that's good.
2. It has to be a decision that is made by the guys that are going to be affected by it.
In regards to how we do it, it's a complicated system to give everyone different tyres and not be affected by the results it produces. Last race, we saw Rota and Jol blitz everyone and there wasn't a whole lot any of the front runners could do to stop them. A lot of that is circumstantial, perhaps Jol shouldn't have been running on the softer of the tyres, but Rota uses his DS3 and is consistantly (for the moment) slower than the guys at the front, but he's also consistantly quicker than some of the slower guys. So what I think we should do is have 3 systems.
All qualify on the soft compund, to give us an accurate grid.
-The slowest guys start on the soft tyre and can use the soft tyre throughout the whole race
-The medium guys (like Rota) start on the medium tyre and can then use the soft tyre throughout the whole race
-The quickest guys have to use the medium throughout the whole race.
What this also means is that guys like Oni don't have to spend hours pouring through replays to ensure that everyone abided by the rules (not that anyone would, but it's still nice to know). This method can be policed at the start and then forgotten about. And the medium guys can pit from lap 1 onwards as long as they start on the medium tyre.
The medium is a fantastic tyre. It has so many different options, you COULD 1 stop the race if you were kind, or you could push like hell and 2 stop it. It's a great tyre for strategy and it doesn't feel like you're going to fly off the race track because of a lack of grip. I wore my mediums down to bald last night, and they still felt better at 10% tread than the hards did at 90%.
Anyway, whatever we decide to do, I'm easy, as long as the hard tyre goes for good. As I said before the race, it's a horrible tyre, and it was going to cause nothing but problems from the outset. so good Riddance! 👍
Cheers.
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- Lost-on-drugz
HAHAHA Bonson i watched the replay LMAO at you driving those tyres with no grip completly black lol i did that my first time in an enduro comp with oni in the gt500 was up 17 seconds in the lead and had all the grip then half way through the race it just fell around the corner and i spun and got serious damage..
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- Lost-on-drugz
nice work taital..
and congrats to xerxsees on coming were he did considering he had to fight all the way back from last place..
i noticed thier was some good driving from both the 1080 boys good stuff
and nice driving from rota i found it very hard to catch up to him on the last 6 laps.
infact found it hard to catch him full stop.
good race also spinner nicde result from you!
and jol u just smell >_<
- 180
- GTP_Bonson
Also, the start yesterday was correct, we were all lined up in the appropriate order, so that got me thinking, maybe the reason the grid was stuffed is because of the tyre limit because we quallied on Hards.
WIth no tyre limit, the qually order should be fine, which means we should be able to resume normal starts without the parade lap.
WIth no tyre limit, the qually order should be fine, which means we should be able to resume normal starts without the parade lap.
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- Lost-on-drugz
Maybe the grid didnt muck up because no one left the track and the server didnt struggle to keep up were everyone was quallified on the grid?
- 180
- GTP_Bonson
But we all left the track to put different compound tyres on.
Seriously, try it with a practice race this week, no tyre restrictions, see what happens. If we get consistant results, we should scrap the parade lap.
Seriously, try it with a practice race this week, no tyre restrictions, see what happens. If we get consistant results, we should scrap the parade lap.
- 626
- Lost-on-drugz
agreed
- 499
- Hobart, Tas
- X3rx3s44
Cheers!
It really highlights how well my first stint went with the damage...
Started on Pole, 1st Stop on Lap 10 rejoined 13th and last, Proceeded to complete 17 laps on 1 set of hards, rejoined with 10 to go on mediums and ran every lap sub-54 with a race fastest of 52.4xx!
Like I said earlier, the car was fast, it just didn't work out!...
This system could work! In my eyes I see this system working as follows...
EVERYONE Qualifies on Softs to give a fair reflection of grid position.
Fastest Drivers (Sub-32 Qualifiers); Run Mediums ONLY!
Middle Drivers (Sub-33 Qualifiers); Start on Mediums and can change to Softs from the conclusion of racing lap 5.
Slower Drivers (33.100+ Qualifiers); Run Softs ONLY!
The reason I would recommend that the Middle drivers run at least 5 laps on the Mediums is because otherwise the Slower drivers are not really getting the benefit they require from their tyre handicap to them. 👍
Also, the reason I classed Slower drivers as 33.100+ Qualifiers is because, IMO, Willco is at worst a Middle driver (possibly even Fastest category) but only qualified with a 33.010 so by having the cutoff at 33.100 it requires Willco to run with Medium pace driver tyre restrictions.
Additionally, Oni can reserve the right to promote people who outperform their performance category throughout the season, this will ensure that the system does not fail and cause people to lose faith in what we are trying to achieve, which is a more level playing field for competitors of differing abilities!
As ever, comments/criticisms/suggestions welcome on everything I have mentioned!
Cheers, Xerx
- 94
- melbourne
- jol_1
tnx lost, it was a good race for me of course i think the big difference with the tyres was the wear i could do 12 consistent laps on the medium tyres. it is a bit of a hollow victory for me and for sure next time i will be on the harder tyre, i didn't use the soft tyre in the end just mediums all the way. my race pace and my fastest times are not very different, i cant go even 1 to 2 seconds close to the fast guys on the same tyres but in the race it is much closer. i look forward to watch the race when i get home.
- 626
- Lost-on-drugz
Yeah no worrys jol you had good pace on those tires and yeah your right the tyre wear u were having was incredilble compared to us. glad to see you stuck on the meds and didnt go on the softs good decision from you knowing you were outpacing everyone else 👍👍
All in all good stuff
All in all good stuff
- 187
- Northern NSW
- evan1080
Great racing guys, I was happy with the car. I should have stretched my pit window out more as I was getting 9 to 10 laps. Had some close racing with Oni and spinner, the replay was great to watch. The first couple of laps is fantastic. The fast drivers needed to get out in clean traffic because in the heat of the battle you could see them struggle a bit.
I hovered around 5th and 6th for a lot of the race and even got up to 3rd for a tiny bit, but because I forgot to take on extra fuel on my last pit stop I had to do a splash and dash that lost me 3 places. I was pissed. I re- entered the race with 3 laps to go and only made up one more spot.
Sorry to anyone that I might have bumped or put off with my erratic driving, I tried to drive clean and fair.
Had a ball can't wait to the next race
Evan
I hovered around 5th and 6th for a lot of the race and even got up to 3rd for a tiny bit, but because I forgot to take on extra fuel on my last pit stop I had to do a splash and dash that lost me 3 places. I was pissed. I re- entered the race with 3 laps to go and only made up one more spot.
Sorry to anyone that I might have bumped or put off with my erratic driving, I tried to drive clean and fair.
Had a ball can't wait to the next race
Evan
- 187
- Northern NSW
- evan1080
Just a thought Xerx.
Did you have your mic on?
Every time I join a the room and turned on my mic, I would get booted. Even at the end of the night I turned on the mic to have a chat. But then I got booted again.
Maybe the mic is putting to much drain on your ISP or on Oni,s.
Mate it's worth a go, nobody would like to see anyone go from this series
Evan
Did you have your mic on?
Every time I join a the room and turned on my mic, I would get booted. Even at the end of the night I turned on the mic to have a chat. But then I got booted again.
Maybe the mic is putting to much drain on your ISP or on Oni,s.
Mate it's worth a go, nobody would like to see anyone go from this series
Evan
- 900
- Gold Coast
- Mick_C_1080
I thought it all went well last night. I enjoyed that race more than any of the Silvia races. That's not just from the angle of I placed better than in the Silvia, but that I controlled the car well and was rewarded with a good clean race.
The parade lap was fine, we all behaved ourselves and got a good clean start. Even if GT5 got the order right last night, there's no guarantee that it can do it every week. So I think we just do it as a regular thing so that we're not caught out when the system gets it wrong. I've looked around GT Planet and a bunch of other race series use a parade lap.
Ohh, just so you know, when we formed the rear of the grid and were sitting in the right boxes I gave my horn a few blasts, that was to signal that we were okay and ready. I just hope the guy ahead of me didn't think it was directed at him.
Tyre regs are a hot topic of discussion. I haven't had to turn a single lap with racing hards on the ISF so I can't say what they're like. But there is a lot of negativity towards them, so it's got to mean something.
From my perspective, I like a 2 tyre choice race. Trying to work out when to use the one set of softs gives the race a tactical edge. It's good knowing that I've got a 'silver bullet' I can use.
FYI in last nights race it did play out like that, it was my last stint on tyres were the softs, as I came out of pitlane, a car was coming up the main straight. I was quickly able to work out that it was Jol who was leading. I knew I was on the good tyre and I had the best tool I could to avoid going a lap down to the leader ( memories of the Silvia series ) So I just knuckled down and did a bunch of fast laps and pulled away from him, it was such a good feeling.
Anyway I'm leaning towards a mix of soft and mediums for the slower drivers ( perhaps first 5 laps on mediums, softs from then on, or half race distance then we can change ) if that means that the guys who are hating the hards can ditch them and be on mediums the whole race.
Or are we nearly looking at 3 categories of drivers?? We could work it out from a guys position in the series points. But then you would need to sort out an adjusted figure to account for races that he missed. It all starts to sound a bit complicated.
The parade lap was fine, we all behaved ourselves and got a good clean start. Even if GT5 got the order right last night, there's no guarantee that it can do it every week. So I think we just do it as a regular thing so that we're not caught out when the system gets it wrong. I've looked around GT Planet and a bunch of other race series use a parade lap.
Ohh, just so you know, when we formed the rear of the grid and were sitting in the right boxes I gave my horn a few blasts, that was to signal that we were okay and ready. I just hope the guy ahead of me didn't think it was directed at him.
Tyre regs are a hot topic of discussion. I haven't had to turn a single lap with racing hards on the ISF so I can't say what they're like. But there is a lot of negativity towards them, so it's got to mean something.
From my perspective, I like a 2 tyre choice race. Trying to work out when to use the one set of softs gives the race a tactical edge. It's good knowing that I've got a 'silver bullet' I can use.
FYI in last nights race it did play out like that, it was my last stint on tyres were the softs, as I came out of pitlane, a car was coming up the main straight. I was quickly able to work out that it was Jol who was leading. I knew I was on the good tyre and I had the best tool I could to avoid going a lap down to the leader ( memories of the Silvia series
) So I just knuckled down and did a bunch of fast laps and pulled away from him, it was such a good feeling.Anyway I'm leaning towards a mix of soft and mediums for the slower drivers ( perhaps first 5 laps on mediums, softs from then on, or half race distance then we can change ) if that means that the guys who are hating the hards can ditch them and be on mediums the whole race.
Or are we nearly looking at 3 categories of drivers?? We could work it out from a guys position in the series points. But then you would need to sort out an adjusted figure to account for races that he missed. It all starts to sound a bit complicated.
- 499
- Hobart, Tas
- X3rx3s44
Cheers Evan!
I did end up turning the mic off for the duration of the race once I got booted the first time during Qually, but then turned it back on after the race. I did not end up dropping my connection again interestingly, I also anticipate not having the same lag dramas again next week anyway as it is unusual for me to encounter any issues in Oni's lounge... Fingers crossed it will not happen again as I want to run this Championship as we have a good field of drivers to race with and with the exception of human error from time to time everyone is very clean and fair!
I find this car suits me and my driving style much better than the Silvia did and feel my pace thus far accurately reflects that so it would be a shame to pull out but I can't be ruining anyone else's race with connection issues either, that's not fair!
Cheers, Xerx
- 405
- Rotamasta7
Cheers lost, relly enjoyed it til that stuff up from me at end of race.
i dont mind the idea of 3 categories, sounds pretty fun, but just the normal 2 could still work, i was a lot higher in pos than normal but if the faster blokes scrapped the hards i know for a fact i would have never got that far ahead, so could work, Lost and Bonson would have passed me and who ever was behind Bonson.
We have all week to try these different combos out, maybe even if we try set another night before monday where we do a decent but shorter race to sort it out? and try get as many people as possible to join? friday nights and sunday night seem not to be a good option for a prac haha. So up to everyone if we could all agree on something like thursday night to get together and try a few things out?
Up to everyone else but would love to get it sorted because i really enjoyed monday night, the series and handicap obviously has potential to be just as fun for the rest of the 7 races.
btw i did 3 stops that race, 9 laps on meds --> 11 on softs--->9 on meds---> 6 more on meds for good run home. the extra stop seemed to work for me. :S
i dont mind the idea of 3 categories, sounds pretty fun, but just the normal 2 could still work, i was a lot higher in pos than normal but if the faster blokes scrapped the hards i know for a fact i would have never got that far ahead, so could work, Lost and Bonson would have passed me and who ever was behind Bonson.
We have all week to try these different combos out, maybe even if we try set another night before monday where we do a decent but shorter race to sort it out? and try get as many people as possible to join? friday nights and sunday night seem not to be a good option for a prac haha. So up to everyone if we could all agree on something like thursday night to get together and try a few things out?
Up to everyone else but would love to get it sorted because i really enjoyed monday night, the series and handicap obviously has potential to be just as fun for the rest of the 7 races.
btw i did 3 stops that race, 9 laps on meds --> 11 on softs--->9 on meds---> 6 more on meds for good run home. the extra stop seemed to work for me. :S
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