Oversteering
- Thread starter pancrase
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- XTR-KingTuna
- not gonna happen
gee, that was generally unhelpful and rude....
there's lots of things you can try...what you need is more grip on the rear wheels than the front. you can try using softer tires on the rear than the front, increasing the rear camber, adding a little toe-in (i think, somebody clarify) on the rear can also help add a lil bit. if you've got all the rear grip you can get, try doing things to decrease the front end grip.
i used to have this problem quite a bit, especially in MR's. using one tire harder on the front than the rear usually does the trick for me
there's lots of things you can try...what you need is more grip on the rear wheels than the front. you can try using softer tires on the rear than the front, increasing the rear camber, adding a little toe-in (i think, somebody clarify) on the rear can also help add a lil bit. if you've got all the rear grip you can get, try doing things to decrease the front end grip.
i used to have this problem quite a bit, especially in MR's. using one tire harder on the front than the rear usually does the trick for me
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- Watevaman78564
- Watevaman78564
Well, with the info the OP graciously handed us, what do you expect an answer to be?
Anyway, OP, there are many factors that affect how a vehicle steers. Tire selection is one of them, with a lower grip in the rear causing it to slide out first, hence oversteering. Camber and toe angles also affect where the vehicle points and how well it points, so read the little descriptors that scroll across the bottom of the screen and adjust accordingly.
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- GTP_BikeShorts
gee, that was generally unhelpful and rude....
there's lots of things you can try...what you need is more grip on the rear wheels than the front. you can try using softer tires on the rear than the front, increasing the rear camber, adding a little toe-in (i think, somebody clarify) on the rear can also help add a lil bit. if you've got all the rear grip you can get, try doing things to decrease the front end grip.
i used to have this problem quite a bit, especially in MR's. using one tire harder on the front than the rear usually does the trick for me
How exactly was it rude?
I also wouldn't recommend different tyres - instead use the suspension and toe settings. I personally leave it up to the tuners here to do so.
Could you possibly post some times/circuits or even a video? Or even specific turns and cars?
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- nk4e
A.K.A tuning suspension though having different tires is not recommended.
EERS4YEARS
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- EERS4YEARS
When we get tire wear you better bet having harder tires on rear will be a good idea, especially for longer races. Toe out in the Rear, to answer the Question at hand. Also lower the rear more than front... I got all this from the little cations as Wataerman said.
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- GTP_BikeShorts
In this thread it was suggested to use softer on the rear. When tyre wear is implemented this will of course cause obvious problems.
Best not to get into bad habits - I guess.
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- XTR-KingTuna
- not gonna happen
my 650 NSX-R on R2/R3 runs 1:09.4xx on HSR and 1:51.7xx on Fuji. my 650 M3 on the same runs .3xx and .2xx slower. a 550 integra runs fastest on R1's (maybe 2's, don't remember atm) up front and S2's in the back. using differnt grade tires is not only effective, but very common.
and good call eers, i missed that one! lowering one end more than the other will shift the balance of the weight more to that end, giving you more grip on those tires.
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- XTR-KingTuna
- not gonna happen
why, and what bad habit? if you need to put a harder tire on the rear because of tire wear, than just go a little bit harder on the front as well to keep the balance. also to mention, several tracks (like tsukuba in GT4) cause the front wheels to wear quicker regardless of drivetrain, allowing you to put a softer grade tire on the rear (giving better handling and acceleration) that lasts as long as the harder tire on the front.
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- nk4e
Please don't double post if your last post is within minutes of it.
How does having a harder tire in the front keeping it balanced?
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But putting harder on the rear tends to increase oversteer, which causes problems.
If tuning is available for said event, I always go for a little bit of toe and some camber to balance out the car... otherwise, it's a matter of adjusting your line and getting on the gas much later or much more gently.
Oh, and practice. No way you're going to cure the problem without it.
If tuning is available for said event, I always go for a little bit of toe and some camber to balance out the car... otherwise, it's a matter of adjusting your line and getting on the gas much later or much more gently.
Oh, and practice. No way you're going to cure the problem without it.
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- XTR-KingTuna
- not gonna happen
first, it's not a double post. i replied to a post, and when i sent it there was another post needing reply. why not quit being an asshole? you've been making a point to since your first post in this thread.
putting a softer tire than that on the front eliminates oversteer. if you feel that you need a harder tire on the rear to keep it longer, than put a harder tire than the new one on the front in order to keep the softer tire on the rear to eliminate oversteer. is this really such a hard concept for you? if you have R2/R3 (front/rear) and need your rear to last longer (say, up to an R1) than put a harder tire on the front (say an S3) as well to keep the grip balance between the tires.
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- GTP_Vaxen
Use the multi-quote button found in the bottom right hand corner of each post (as I have here) when you wish to respond to multiple posts at the same time.
Double posting is frowned on here at GTPlanet, but we appreciate constructive discussion. Enjoy your stay! 👍
For the record, I will often use different tire compounds on the front and rear as a quick and easy way to deal with balance problems.
EERS4YEARS
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- EERS4YEARS
lol, can anyone say infraction? Even though me and XTR dont agree on everything... EDIT fast! LOL LOL This thread is very novice minded. Just go to TT and use a Ferrari or tuned car with lots of HP, you will get the hang of it. My best advice though, Read the book to GT4, I learned how to drive the day I read it.
I was too late!
I was too late!
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- nk4e
Well, you made your point also. Though the OP asked for tips and I gave him some. Also, try actually hitting the quote button then because we or someone else don't know who your talking to. It could be the OP or it might be another tip. (somehow, I will get the infraction if another says so)
No,it isn't a hard concept to understand. if you can improve your time by the way it handles and how it transfer its weigh through corner to corner. Why not? There are always multiple lines that one can take throughout a course with the same set of tires and still attain a decent, if not better time.
Thanks Vaxen
Cap'n Jack
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- GoldMineGutted
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You guys are jumping the gun here. pancrase provided way too little information to even suggest that tuning is the solution to his problem. Any solution provided at this point is based on assumption.
To pancrase: What car(s) are you using, with what settings (PP, tuning)? Are you using any driving aids? Which corners are you having problems with? Are you oversteering on corner entry, during the radius or on corner exit? Are you oversteering while flooring it, during shifts, while lifting off? How fast are you entering and exiting the corners you are having problems with? What are your current laptimes?
To pancrase: What car(s) are you using, with what settings (PP, tuning)? Are you using any driving aids? Which corners are you having problems with? Are you oversteering on corner entry, during the radius or on corner exit? Are you oversteering while flooring it, during shifts, while lifting off? How fast are you entering and exiting the corners you are having problems with? What are your current laptimes?
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MY tips
You can tune a car like people have stated above or you can tune your driving style. I always race stock cars on S3 (except for online of course) and you really have to modify you're driving style when, say, transferring from an EVO IX to an F40. It might be seen as practise but try tuning your driving style to suit the car and track. If you are using a 599, you don't just stab the throttle like you would in a mini, you have to gradually apply it to find the optimum balance of throttle openess and grip. Experiment with different cars and tracks.
Some cars can soften the blow of other cars aswell. Ususally I find the Ford GT a bit vague and snappy, but after driving the 430, I can go much faster in it......It's all about....er..practice
You can tune a car like people have stated above or you can tune your driving style. I always race stock cars on S3 (except for online of course) and you really have to modify you're driving style when, say, transferring from an EVO IX to an F40. It might be seen as practise but try tuning your driving style to suit the car and track. If you are using a 599, you don't just stab the throttle like you would in a mini, you have to gradually apply it to find the optimum balance of throttle openess and grip. Experiment with different cars and tracks.
Some cars can soften the blow of other cars aswell. Ususally I find the Ford GT a bit vague and snappy, but after driving the 430, I can go much faster in it......It's all about....er..practice
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