PD and the Bonanza

[Sunzi]

There's been discussion dotted throughout various threads associated with the engine Bonanza (lol)... looking to consolidate that into one thread because Im wondering how PD could realistically respond to this glitch that is not really any fault of the player - conversely the glitch is in direct conflict with the MTX model so I'm intrigued at how this will be handled.

What do you think they will do? What can they do?

 

[B80]

There's been discussion dotted throughout various threads associated with the engine Bonanza (lol)... looking to consolidate that into one thread because Im wondering how PD could realistically respond to this glitch that is not really any fault of the player - conversely the glitch is in direct conflict with the MTX model so I'm intrigued at how this will be handled.

What do you think they will do? What can they do?

Bit like the tomahawk panam glitch, they won;t do anything in terms of 'punishment'. Unlike that one, this will be patched out... whether its in a month or day, not so sure.

i've no doubt some will suggest 'may' get banned, but think thats extremely unlikely imo. They made a mistake, and it's been exploited within confines of the game itself. If someone released software that amended the game in some way, that'd be a different matter...

 

[Mercia]

Quietly patch and not acknowledge publicly would be my guess

 

[MicVic10]

I actually think PD let this "slip" through quality control intentionally to please fans that were complaining.
Think about it. Only hardcore players are using the glitch (maybe 25% of player base optimistically). They are going to be happy with what they gained, while causing no real loss to PD. You don't get more credits than grinding Sardegna, Le Mans, or Tokyo, so no harm done there. You also get engines, which you cannot buy with real money, so no real loss there either.
Everyone else who is not doing the exploit, no harm done.
It's a win win for PD provided they patch it quietly and sweep it under the rug. Hardcore fans will keep their stuff and be happy, possibly falling in love with the game again (certainly my case), while casuals will keep playing it like nothing happened.
Genius move. They will be patching this tomorrow, exactly one week after the discovery is my guess

 

[Nuschel01]

conversely the glitch is in direct conflict with the MTX model

Is it? You can't buy engines or 4* tickets with real money, and getting 500k or 1mil from the tickets has happened maybe twice in the hours of running the script, I could've made more griding my ass off at Spa/LM/Sardegna.

 

[Touring Mars]

Punishing players for using an aspect of the game that PD put there - even if it was unintended - would be a catastrophic mistake. If PD are somehow pissed at people who have used the glitch to their advantage, then they might consider rewarding those players that didn't use the glitch with some equivalent prizes, like a few engines and some Cr. Otherwise, patch it and move on.

 

[MroczMR]

Too bad we can't grind that way 6 star rewards ticket but only 4 star

 

[Baka_Marimo]

I actually think PD let this "slip" through quality control intentionally to please fans that were complaining.
Think about it.

Don't think so at all. You don't just ruin the entire ingame economy to implement an egregious MTX model and then intentionally leave the door open on a glitch like this. They are absolutely going to believe that they're losing MTX sales on this, and in fact they most likely are.

I agree on the other part. They're not going to take any measures to punish players exploiting this glitch and quietly sweep it under the rug with the next update.

 

[huff]

I said this elsewhere: if I were PD I would not add any more cars for the 16 engines and start releasing new engines that need to be won properly. Then we all have had fun and got a bunch of swaps done but our ill gotten extras are paperweights. I think they will do nothing though, in reality.

 

[Nuschel01]

Punishing players for using an aspect of the game that PD put there - even if it was unintended - would be a catastrophic mistake.

Rockstar has been wiping accounts of players who exploited glitches in GTA-O for years tho

 

[Sunzi]

Is it? You can't buy engines or 4* tickets with real money, and getting 500k or 1mil from the tickets has happened maybe twice in the hours of running the script, I could've made more griding my ass off at Spa/LM/Sardegna.

Sorry I meant in terms of the tickets being a means for essentially earning credit/cars/both - the glitch existing surely impacts the MTX. Point taken on the engines though.

I've had a plethora of cars including an FXXK, and about 8 Gr.3 cars (doubles of the 458!)

 

[huff]

Rockstar has been wiping accounts of players who exploited glitches in GTA-O for years tho

But they haven’t punished anyone over the casino wheel re-spin glitch, and that is similar to this. They have mostly gone after God Mode losers and hard core cheaters.

 

[MicVic10]

You may not agree with my thoughts that this is intentional, however I think it's pretty clear that they don't have a "legal reason" to ban anyone because this was THEIR oversight and no one is modifying game data, savegames or doing strange manouvres. It's simply a case of receiving a reward multiple times. No one knows for sure whether this is supposed to be the case or not, so the principle of being innocent until proven guilty stands for everyone. Nowhere does it say the reward can only be collected once

 

[Madertus]

I actually think PD let this "slip" through quality control intentionally to please fans that were complaining.

This is a company that will "update" (as in, increase) Legendary Dealership's pricing when everybody is screaming at them about the game's terrible economy. PoDi's complete lack of communication makes it difficult to tell how much player feedback actually means to them. Game developers/publishers aren't your friends.

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They are going to be happy with what they gained, while causing no real loss to PD. You don't get more credits than grinding Sardegna, Le Mans, or Tokyo, so no harm done there.

(...) I could've made more griding my ass off at Spa/LM/Sardegna.

You're hugely mistaken, guys.

I'm averaging about 30 mln Credits per day with this glitch, and that's pure cash. Since Friday I've gone up from 450-500 cars to well over 600 and have spent about 28 mln Credits. And then there's the apparent value attached to special tuning parts and engines. If we go by PoDi's microtransaction pricing, my GT7 profile is now worth thousands of dollars, probably even $10k+.

EDIT: Apologies, I forgot that in terms of pure cash you can earn more than just a million per hour. My bad!

It's common practice in gamedev to fix cash shop-influencing bugs as soon as is humanly possible. This exploit impacts PoDi's capacity to sell microtransactions in a very direct way. It's obviously a critical-status issue and I am stumped this has not been fixed yet. If a big percent of players were to use this, PoDi would have to quickly hyperinflate the game's economy to sell any MTX in the coming months. This, or drastically reduce MTX prices, which isn't going to happen.

GT7's economy is done. It literally isn't going to be an issue anymore to some people. Once this bug is fixed I'm going to count the total amount of credits that I would've otherwise spent on all the cars and parts and convert it to real money.

It's not going to be surprising if this situation becomes a deciding factor in delaying the implementation of car selling by a few more months. If it does arrive in the game, it's probably going to work like in GTSport, as in, some 30% of a car's initial value, no money for gift cars, and many cars are going to only be deletable, not sellable.

This exploit is a catastrophe for PD.

 

[MicVic10]

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This is a company that will "update" (as in, increase) Legendary Dealership's pricing when everybody is screaming at them about the game's terrible economy. PoDi's complete lack of communication makes it difficult to tell how much player feedback actually means to them. Game developers/publishers aren't your friends.


You're hugely mistaken, guys.

I'm averaging about 30 mln Credits per day with this glitch, and that's pure cash. Since Friday I've gone up from 450-500 cars to well over 600 and have spent about 28 mln Credits. And then there's the apparent value attached to special tuning parts and engines. If we go by PoDi's microtransaction pricing, my GT7 profile is now worth thousands of dollars, probably even $10k+.

It's common practice in gamedev to fix cash shop-influencing bugs as soon as is humanly possible. This exploit impacts PoDi's capacity to sell microtransactions in a very direct way. It's obviously a critical-status issue and I am stumped this has not been fixed yet. If a big percent of players were to use this, PoDi would have to quickly hyperinflate the game's economy to sell any MTX in the coming months. This, or drastically reduce MTX prices, which isn't going to happen.

GT7's economy is done. It literally isn't going to be an issue anymore to some people. Once this bug is fixed I'm going to count the total amount of credits that I would've otherwise spent on all the cars and parts and convert it to real money.

It's not going to be surprising if this situation becomes a deciding factor in delaying the implementation of car selling by a few more months. If it does arrive in the game, it's probably going to work like in GTSport, as in, some 30% of a car's initial value, no money for gift cars, and many cars are going to only be deletable, not sellable.

This exploit is a catastrophe for PD.

If this were such a catastrophe they would have shut off the servers and fix it Monday at the very latest. Remember when they did this as soon as the game launched?
If they're not fixing it, it's not impacting them as much as we think.
Do you count duplicates of cars? You can't have 600+ when there are 433 in the game.
Also, I think the vast majority of people is glitching with "common sense". No one is going to want to buy every car in the game via an exploit in 3 days, you probably are the exception.

 

[Touring Mars]

@Nuschel01 I think you identified a key point in your earlier post.

This glitch/exploit doesn't affect MTX because the only MTX you can buy for GT7 is in-game credits (which, incidentally, are borderline criminal in terms of their rip-off pricing, but I digress...)

However, as you correctly point out, the amount of Cr. you can gain from grinding this glitch appears to be lower than what you could earn from playing the game anyway i.e. one can make 1.5 million Cr. in one hour from the Spa event and there are other events that have higher Cr./min rates than that.

Judging from several comments I've seen here and elsewhere, this glitch pays out a lower rate of Cr./hr than that (albeit it also provides other items, but the key items in question here appear to be engines and other upgrades that you can't even buy anyway...)

Hence, if PD were to use the line "you're undermining our MTX sales!" as justification for bans/punishment, I'd say 1) No, you are (i.e. it's PD's responsibility to not create glitches like this); 2) MTX are for Cr. only, and this glitch doesn't pay more Cr. per hour than what one can already achieve by playing the game normally; and 3) if MTX were priced even remotely fairly in the first place, then and only then might you have a point.

 

[huff]

@Madertus
Outside of people who hang out here, and on sub Reddit, no one really knows about this. It’s a very small percentage of people doing the glitch, even smaller amount running a script to make big profits. I really don’t think there’s going to be a hard reaction from PD.

 

[Nuschel01]

But they haven’t punished anyone over the casino wheel re-spin glitch, and that is similar to this. They have mostly gone after God Mode losers and hard core cheaters.

Broughy's account was completely reset because he abused the apartment sale glitch a bit too much.
Godmode glitchers aren't hit at all because they don't have any effects on Shark Card sales

 

[Nebuc72]

@Madertus
Outside of people who hang out here, and on sub Reddit, no one really knows about this. It’s a very small percentage of people doing the glitch, even smaller amount running a script to make big profits. I really don’t think there’s going to be a hard reaction from PD.

I think it's way more than you think lol. A lot of GT YouTubers have done videos on it, if not mentioned it in passing - and I've even seen people mention it in pre-race lobbies. The PlayStation and (unofficial) GT Discord also have it shared.

The super casual playerbase might miss out but I'd wager anyone who even has a passing interest in the games social media channels knows about it, and has likely done it.

 

[watto79]

You may not agree with my thoughts that this is intentional, however I think it's pretty clear that they don't have a "legal reason" to ban anyone because this was THEIR oversight and no one is modifying game data, savegames or doing strange manouvres. It's simply a case of receiving a reward multiple times. No one knows for sure whether this is supposed to be the case or not, so the principle of being innocent until proven guilty stands for everyone. Nowhere does it say the reward can only be collected once

For what it's worth, the PSN terms of service states:

○ Do not use any bugs, glitches, vulnerabilities or unintentional mechanics in Products or the PSN to get an advantage.


So while I don't believe Sony/PD will do anything other than patch this out, we are breaking the terms of service in exploiting a glitch. Modifying game/save data doesn't come into it.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

Too bad we can't grind that way 6 star rewards ticket but only 4 star

With that line of thinking, the 5* would be the best ticket to grind. The 6* only gives out money and cars.

The 5* gives out the same things as the 4* but upscaled. Instead of the minimum price being 10k, it's 100k, and you also get 500k and 1 million a lot more often. If we had a 6* ticket to glitch, someone has already calced at we getting almost 290 million per day. The limit is 100 million.

With the 5* you would be earning a bit over 100 million per day, and not only that, but also get special car parts and cars that cost over 100k.

With the current 4* we get about 27 million per day and get cars from every range (even the low cost ones).

Although the 6* would only give out cars that cost over 500k... So, it obviously depends on the person's priorities, but given that you cannot get special car parts any other way, the 5* ticket would be the best to grind.

I am already reaching a point even with the 4* where I have to buy duplicate invitational cars and even duplicate 10+ million credit cars to avoid hitting the 100 million cap. I'm already at 72 million again and will likely be over 80 million at the end of this day, I'm going to buy a duplicate 250 GTO (20 million) just so I can dial back a bit on the credits.

GT7's economy is done. It literally isn't going to be an issue anymore to some people. Once this bug is fixed I'm going to count the total amount of credits that I would've otherwise spent on all the cars and parts and convert it to real money.

It's not going to be surprising if this situation becomes a deciding factor in delaying the implementation of car selling by a few more months. If it does arrive in the game, it's probably going to work like in GTSport, as in, some 30% of a car's initial value, no money for gift cars, and many cars are going to only be deletable, not sellable.

This exploit is a catastrophe for PD.

Truth be told, we are a very small number compared to the people who don't post online in the forums. Even smaller number is the people using the script.

But regardless, you are right, the economy of GT7 for whoever is using this glitch is done forever... Credits are no longer going to be an issue.

If PD allows us to sell gift cars in the future, we literally have hundreds upon hundreds of cars to sell, namely the NSX Gr.B car. And if the sell value is inflated by the engine we put in the car, people can literally just buy a Mazda RX-7 from Brand Central, install a 1million dollar Mazda 787B engine in it, and sell it for a huge profit. Just for reference, I myself have over 150 787B engines... Let alone the other engines which will also inflate some cars' price.

The issue is if none of these^ come true. Which lets be honest, would be a d*ick move from PD regardless of what this glitch has done for like less than 10% of the playerbase.

@Nuschel01 Hence, if PD were to use the line "you're undermining our MTX sales!" as justification for bans/punishment, I'd say 1) No, you are (i.e. it's PD's responsibility to not create glitches like this); 2) MTX are for Cr. only, and this glitch doesn't pay more Cr. per hour than what one can already achieve by playing the game normally; and 3) if MTX were priced even remotely fairly in the first place, then and only then might you have a point.

Lets not forget the value of the cars you win with this glitch...

Since Friday until now, I've won a plethora of cars worth 1 million or more, and some even more expensive cars than that like the GR010, 919, 2x Veyron, FXXK, Vulcan, a ton of VGTs, a crapton of Gr.3/Gr.B/Gr.4 cars and like I said above... The engines themselves can potentially give huge profits as well if the ability to sell cars is inflated by the parts we install in the car.
Again, for reference: Outside of the ~500 cars I had (normally "grinding") and the 104 NSX Gr.B (some of them I won from the 4* as well lol), I have over 1.000 cars already...

If you consider all of this potential, it pays out a looot more than grinding, and you can do this 24/7 while you can't grind manually 24/7 at all. < Just this fact alone makes it already a far better grind.
Even if you don't sell the cars, getting the cars I mentioned above and keeping them is already huge, it's those less credits you will have to spend.

 

[Madertus]

If this were such a catastrophe they would have shut off the servers and fix it Monday at the very latest. Remember when they did this as soon as the game launched?
If they're not fixing it, it's not impacting them as much as we think.

Not sure if we understand each other, but in case we don't, I am talking about money. Video games nowadays mainly profit from in-game purchases, not sales alone. The game set me back $70, but the MTX required to get all the stuff I've got so far from this exploit would easily be a five-digit amount or literally thousands of hours of gameplay. It's a 4-star ticket every just over 90 seconds. It's insane. As few as a couple hundred people running the script for this explot is enough to earn a total of a million dollars' worth of Credits within 3 days.
This exploit directly impacts the already dubious attractiveness of GT7's MTX, and to top it off, it's an extremely potent one. In this situation, any normal developer would at least disable the exploitable portion of the game if it were possible without a big impact on the rest of the game. Riot Games do this with League of Legends for example, when there's a serious enough bug for a champion, they disable the champion outright until the bug is fixed.
Maybe this one is very difficult or impossible to fix without taking the game completely offline for days? Maybe they don't care how much money they could lose from this? Maybe they don't think players will use this? I already said I don't know but honestly, PoDi's decisions and GT7's general design make so little sense that I really don't care to keep guessing anymore.

Do you count duplicates of cars? You can't have 600+ when there are 433 in the game.

I do count duplicates but only for the sake of adding up their total value in Credits.

Also, I think the vast majority of people is glitching with "common sense". No one is going to want to buy every car in the game via an exploit in 3 days, you probably are the exception.

Outside of people who hang out here, and on sub Reddit, no one really knows about this. It’s a very small percentage of people doing the glitch, even smaller amount running a script to make big profits. I really don’t think there’s going to be a hard reaction from PD.

I was not trying to blow things out of proportion; I genuinely believe the potential impact of an exploit in any game can be enough to drastically impact it in the long run.

 

[MroczMR]

@Grimm6Jack

You are using AFK script am I right? Is it safe? It won't start buying random things if something went wrong? I am asking because I could launch it and watch some stuff on disney+ xD

 

[Matt777]

They obviously know about it and don’t mention it in the known issues to avoid drawing attention to it.

It must not be the easiest fix or they would have done it. Who knows whether that’s because they aren’t sure of the best way to do it or are debating the actions they take afterwards. I think their best option is to quietly patch it and pretend it never happened.

 

[NAXEHT]

@Grimm6Jack

You are using AFK script am I right? Is it safe? It won't start buying random things if something went wrong? I am asking because I could launch it and watch some stuff on disney+ xD

I’m fairly certain this is a troll but if not, that’s absolutely hilarious.

 

[Touring Mars]

@Grimm6Jack That's a fair point, however at the time of writing, you cannot sell any items so these don't affect MTX sales either. If PD change that in the future, that's up to them, but then they could hardly retrospectively punish people for benefiting from a change they chose to make to the game.

However, I think there is a difference between using the glitch 'normally' and using a script to fully exploit the glitch. The former will likely pay out a similar value of Cr. and items per hour than regular game play - possibly a bit more, but not substantially more, whereas the latter does border on manipulation beyond what the game would normally deliver.

Either way, however, the onus here is on the developer to ensure that the game isn't broken in the first place, and I'm not sure where it says in the Terms & Conditions/License Agreement that one is not allowed to use an entirely in-game glitch (as opposed to running a script in order to manipulate the game beyond what you could do manually).

 

[Nuschel01]

running a script in order to manipulate the game beyond what you could do manually

The script really isn't that fast or anything, if you were dedicated enough you could do the same stuff it does at faster speeds. All it does is just some button mashing really, and it's not particularly good at it either, as proven by people who did buy MTX'es while trying to exploit the game to avoid having to do so

Personally I had it running for a bit now and the moment you leave it unattended it goes into menus it shouldn't be in and gets stuck. It particularly happens easily when you let it run in the background and surf the internet or watch videos on the same device. So far I ended up in a race at Trial Mountain and the LCD dealer once

 

[watto79]

Has anyone considered PD are circulating faulty scripts that eventually buy microtransactions 😁

 

[Bullwinkle]

I’m fairly certain this is a troll but if not, that’s absolutely hilarious.

Maybe an exaggeration, but it almost happened to me as well.

@Grimm6Jack

You are using AFK script am I right? Is it safe? It won't start buying random things if something went wrong? I am asking because I could launch it and watch some stuff on disney+ xD

I changed my account to require a password for purchases. This absolutely rescued me a couple of times where the script tried to purchase MTXs. It’s a simple precaution for peace of mind.

 

[Bullwinkle]

Punishing players for using an aspect of the game that PD put there - even if it was unintended - would be a catastrophic mistake. If PD are somehow pissed at people who have used the glitch to their advantage, then they might consider rewarding those players that didn't use the glitch with some equivalent prizes, like a few engines and some Cr. Otherwise, patch it and move on.

If they want to be angry and take it out on anybody in particular then they should start with their own play testers! Those folks should have been drawn and quartered months ago!!!