PD's Knowledge of online race event dominant car/s

[JPS]

Long title but am curious, when PD update and give us a new event/s, will they know beforehand which cars will dominate a certain event. Reason i was wondering this, i race in the 550pp rw event, the car that seems to dominate this is the Clio, now i figured PD will know the Clio will dominate and eventually the racing masses will suss out that the car to be in is the Clio. So at a track like Suzuka, surely they know what chaos can happen at turn one, so why not have a rolling start, with most participants using the same car with slightly different speed capabilities and thus hopefully preventing the chaos of turn one. Whereas a race event which as the posssibilty of numerous evenly matched cars then as a standing start due to varying speed capabilities of these cars. Making us the paying participants a lot happier that our race as not come to an abrupt end before/in/after the first bend on the first lap.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Rolling starts are rubbish. I know what you mean about turn one lap one as I race at Fuji 550 FWD a lot. There's contact fair enough but a quick race around HSR in a GT-R had me starting last and my race started 9.5 seconds after the leaders race. It's not right to give that kind of advantage to who ever is lucky enough to be on pole.

 

[Jack]

I know what your saying JP, but rolling starts are crap to be fair. Doesnt stop punters at all and then you hit the sand due to being punted, your even further behind on a rolling start than you would be with a standing start.

Think if we are to have rolling starts you need to have longer races to even out the advantage you get from starting first to last, something like 20 seconds?

I know its not all about being up the front but if your on a grip of 6 GTP members (average Id say), they start 1 - 6 places then your in last, thats a 30 odd seconds gap they have by the time your out the esses.

Back on subject, PD must know what cars will be better in an event. Im sure when GT5 comes around online events will become better due to them being able to focus on events and not developing the full game like they are now.

 

[boiltheocean]

Im sure when GT5 comes around online events will become better due to them being able to focus on events and not developing the full game like they are now.

Agree but I would also say it will be evened out because of the amount of cars. People would never be able to find a single best car from hundreds.

 

[JPS]

Yea but surely static start grid of 12 cars in two rows, why not rolling start with two rows, then the difeerence from pole to last row would be cut to 5-6 seconds, not a lot to catch up in a 5+ lap race compared to some 15-20 delay when a numpty as pushed you off. Not sure wether rolling starts reduce the number of cars being taken out at turn one in regards to the numpty effect. Was onlu thinking about this in regards to one make or dominant car event

 

[SpyHunter]

My solution: If in the 1st two spots, go like heck, dive bomb that first corner and try not to get hit. If on pole, obviously watch/concede to 2nd spot if they are there.

If in one of the back positions, wait it out. Enter behind everyone. Not too far back, but not right behind them. Let them hit each other off, then tuck in behind going into the esses.

 

[Kryz11]

I think yes, PD knows which car will dominate each event. They play and test the game more then we do. They know all ins and outs for each car. So there is no reason that they would not know about dominance of a car and what PP and track they will dominate in.

 

[Vaxen]

Does anyone remember the absolute dominance of the tuned Elise in the 700pp events when the game first came out?

The next update, they adjusted the PP levels for that car to bring it more in line. Balance improved, and although other cars floated to the top (Tuned FortGT), other cars were a bit more competitive.

I think that PD monitors the results of the races in terms of participation and results, and uses that to make further tweaks in performance levels down the line. They may have some idea that certain cars will tend to do better than others, but probably not with the certainty that evolves after the event has matured.

 

[Leonidae]

well, I certainly do hope that they will neuterize the Clio and NSX-R, those annoying cheater cars..

 

[Ardius]

Does anyone remember the absolute dominance of the tuned Elise in the 700pp events when the game first came out?

The next update, they adjusted the PP levels for that car to bring it more in line. Balance improved, and although other cars floated to the top (Tuned FortGT), other cars were a bit more competitive.

I think that PD monitors the results of the races in terms of participation and results, and uses that to make further tweaks in performance levels down the line. They may have some idea that certain cars will tend to do better than others, but probably not with the certainty that evolves after the event has matured.

It was actually PP650 back then and they weren't so dominant against my XK
I think the general balance at the moment is fine and the problem of T1 incidents isn't something you can just get rid of with a simple change in how you start the race without it seriously hampering a decent race.

There will always be chaos at turn 1, sometimes you just get unlucky, but overall, my most reliable strategy so far is just to take it fairly slowly and stick to the very, very inside of the corner (if possible without hitting other drivers), usually most punters take the corner way too fast and try to ram others off the course, if you are on the very inside of the corner you are at the maximum rate of change of direction, making it hard for punters to hit you without either cutting on the grass which is far too slow anyway or directly following you which doesn't allow them to do very much damage at all other than giving you a boost.

And no, private rooms won't solve T1 chaos either, ok, there will be better clean racing from everyone, but someone always makes a mistake with the cars slow closely bunched and there is always someone misjudging how well they can make a corner, especially if they have such a chance to jump several positions (the T1 suicide dive). Its just a fact of life with racing and just something we have to accept and rejoice when we manage to pull off a successful clean T1, side-by-side.

I actually don't mind rolling starts, though I do agree they're rubbish without some proper form of qualifying or longer races.

 

[JPS]

I think that PD monitors the results of the races in terms of participation and results, and uses that to make further tweaks in performance levels down the line. They may have some idea that certain cars will tend to do better than others, but probably not with the certainty that evolves after the event has matured.

You would have thought that they would update the events on a regular basis though, motorsports is not my forte, but with the exception of F1, are not most real life racing cars pretty evenly matched to make it interesting for the casual/avid spectator as well as the teams/drivers, i mean whats the point of holding a race meet if a car is to dominate so much, should GT online racing be similar. The Suzuka 550pp rw event gives us the option of using 32 yes 32 cars, yet most people will stick with one, because it's the fastest and most likely to win, afterall we all would like to win at some point. Apart from the odd few, maybe disturbed people, who take the plunge and use one of the other 31 cars, knowing full well a win is out of the question, the event is not being used to it's full potential because one car dominates so much and 31 others are collecting dust. Is it too difficult for PD to try to level the playing field so that the winner may come from any make and model.

 

[Rudi Raser]

well, I certainly do hope that they will neuterize the Clio and NSX-R, those annoying cheater cars..

why?

next event is maybe again the GT-R the best car, next one a Lotus etc etc...

 

[Nicksfix]

AGREED , with all the above. 👍

PD, knows when they are in the process of drawing up events which cars will dominate ( given the proper tune obviously ) , it's just up to us to experiment with the different cars and settings to be able to find it. Also agree with the fact that the Lotus was a hot ass car at one time , since the spec updates , I think they took some things away from it and started leaning on other cars. I still break out my Lotus and can win with it ,may not be the most dominant car to drive,but it is fun to drive.

 

[Rudi Raser]

Also agree with the fact that the Lotus was a hot ass car at one time...

have a look.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3285492#post3285492

not was, its still. 👍

 

[rofajole]

Solution: Qualifying Laps before the main race.

 

[boiltheocean]

Solution: Qualifying Laps before the main race.

Care to explain how that cures a dominant car? Surely that car will still set the faster times.

 

[fasj6418]

Does anyone remember the absolute dominance of the tuned Elise in the 700pp events when the game first came out?

The next update, they adjusted the PP levels for that car to bring it more in line. Balance improved, and although other cars floated to the top (Tuned FortGT), other cars were a bit more competitive.

I think that PD monitors the results of the races in terms of participation and results, and uses that to make further tweaks in performance levels down the line. They may have some idea that certain cars will tend to do better than others, but probably not with the certainty that evolves after the event has matured.

I believe they do that, and that's why i would like to be able to see my and others record on online race, their average start/finish position, among other stats.

They could provide that for us, along with "winningest car for this race" kind of stat.

 

[ChadSpeed]

Agree but I would also say it will be evened out because of the amount of cars. People would never be able to find a single best car from hundreds.

I bet they will. In Forza1 it was horrible. One car would dominate each class, by a lot. They patched to help the issue but can't entirely resolve it, especially with full tuning capabilities. In FM2 it was better, 2 to 3 different cars can dominate, if properly tuned, and dozens are competitive with them. Since this is PD's first attempt at classifying cars(PP) there is bound to issues like the Clio dominating. PD should patch accordingly. It should be better with the full game though, and if PD patches quick enough.

 

[Leonidae]

why?

next event is maybe again the GT-R the best car, next one a Lotus etc etc...

GT-R has never been dominant car. and never will be, and even if it would, it wouldn't be fun to drive since it would be overpowered and too heavy which would lead to awkward handling characteristics..

 

[TiZzla]

GT-R has never been dominant car. and never will be, and even if it would, it wouldn't be fun to drive since it would be overpowered and too heavy which would lead to awkward handling characteristics..

the GTR has dominated loads of events mate

 

[MJH]

The PP system is the wrong way to go. I hope they don't keep it for GT5.

 

[Leonidae]

the GTR has dominated loads of events mate

refresh my memory. if I recall right, 750PP was dominated by Amuse GT1. 650PP is dominated by Clio and elise tuners. and fastest tuned AWD out there is most likely Impreza WRX STi type RA-R or whatever that thing is called. maybe not fastest in the straights, but it sure as hell leaves GT-R in the corners.

 

[Vaxen]

GTR was certainly dominant at the last Daytona road event.

 

[Rudi Raser]

and also the last Fuji 550 PP event and in the first No Mercy event at Suzuka.

 

[JPS]

The GTR seemed to be a favourite of PD's and several events have been GTR gets you on the podium.

 

[ChadSpeed]

The PP system is the wrong way to go. I hope they don't keep it for GT5.

PD has to class them somehow. It is just very difficult to do accurately, especially with all the tuning we can/will be able to do in GT5. Without classing there is no way for you to set-up and online race with other competitive cars.