Performance chips
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Yes,I believe it is.A performance chip increases the limits of some of the computer controlled systems, it will increase timing advance as well as injector pulse width. It may also set the rev limiter higher. Chips are relativly cheap compared to other performance upgrades.A low restrictive air cleaner system should be installed with the chip, this will improve breathability.A factory authorized chip would be ideal, if one is not available make sure it's from a name brand performance parts supplier.
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Well it matters what car it is sometimes and what chip. Some Chips are $2000 and give you a 20HP increase when you can get a KN filter for a small small small fraction of that and get the same power but it would not effect the Timing and so on like the ECU would...
advanR
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um, I dont know why a chip would be $2k. It is just software maps and **** copied onto a little micro chip. You can get them for free if you have equipment to duplicate them. I think you are thinking total engine management systems that replace the ECU.
The conforti chip in my bimmer makes a very noticable difference. Claims are as follows. Even though some are often overstated or exhagerated, I believe these are close.
-top hp gain of 15hp
-peak hp gain 22hp (not necessarily at hp peak, peak as in most improvement. in this case its at 6250, a bit below peak hp, but a good place for a gain.)
-top torque gain 10ft-lb
-peak torque gain of 19ft-lbs, in this case at 6k rpm
The revlimit is also raised 550 rpm to 7800.
chip is only $250, but like I said, they can be copied, hehe.
The conforti chip in my bimmer makes a very noticable difference. Claims are as follows. Even though some are often overstated or exhagerated, I believe these are close.
-top hp gain of 15hp
-peak hp gain 22hp (not necessarily at hp peak, peak as in most improvement. in this case its at 6250, a bit below peak hp, but a good place for a gain.)
-top torque gain 10ft-lb
-peak torque gain of 19ft-lbs, in this case at 6k rpm
The revlimit is also raised 550 rpm to 7800.
chip is only $250, but like I said, they can be copied, hehe.
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Im talking about a different chip I think. Im an little off to todays so I mighta be confused...
I don't know what magazine he read , but even on a STOCK car with the STOCK intake a K&N SHOULD give an EVO AT LEAST 10-15 HP! Plus, if you can't afford an intake for your car ,all you have to do is "modify" your stock airbox.
Just take a LARGE drill bit and "Swiss Cheese" it around the perimeter OR cut several "LOUVERS" into it, facing downward,towards the bottom of the engine bay. You'll get more cooler air into the airbox than stock AND it'll still look STOCK (relatively).
Just take a LARGE drill bit and "Swiss Cheese" it around the perimeter OR cut several "LOUVERS" into it, facing downward,towards the bottom of the engine bay. You'll get more cooler air into the airbox than stock AND it'll still look STOCK (relatively).
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Originally posted by Josh
20hp from a K&N filter?I read in a magazine, that tested several combinations of drop-ins/CAI's/short rams/etc, that the K&N drop-in filter only increases power by like 1, or .1hp.
You really get that much from a K&N
. My dad has one in his car...
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I'd have to see some dyno test results to believe it. 20hp is a lot just from dropping in a $40 air filter.
I've got 3 friends with Chevrolet Beretta GTZ's. HO 2.3l Quad 4's, and two have K&N drop-ins. We couldn't hear, or feel, a difference after they were added. After they both had custom 3" exhausts installed all we could do was hear a difference.
There was an Injen CAI w/K&N cone filter(well, as far as I remember) on the S2000 I used to have. It seemed to have pulled a little bit harder, revved faster, and was a lot louder than stock S2000's I've driven. I don't know about 20hp faster/louder, though.
The magazine I read did the tests on a new RSX. They did all sorts of combinations with all of the filters, and intakes, and the most that they gained was like 22hp from a CAI with some companies cone filter on it. On the dyno runs they left the hood up, and had the intake sticking out of the hood with fans blowing air directly onto it.
20hp is a lot just from dropping in a $40 air filter.I've got 3 friends with Chevrolet Beretta GTZ's. HO 2.3l Quad 4's, and two have K&N drop-ins. We couldn't hear, or feel, a difference after they were added. After they both had custom 3" exhausts installed all we could do was hear a difference.
There was an Injen CAI w/K&N cone filter(well, as far as I remember) on the S2000 I used to have. It seemed to have pulled a little bit harder, revved faster, and was a lot louder than stock S2000's I've driven. I don't know about 20hp faster/louder, though.
The magazine I read did the tests on a new RSX. They did all sorts of combinations with all of the filters, and intakes, and the most that they gained was like 22hp from a CAI with some companies cone filter on it. On the dyno runs they left the hood up, and had the intake sticking out of the hood with fans blowing air directly onto it.
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Well I wouldnt know about them...
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My dad had a 23 HP increase on the charger with a K&N ...
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advanR
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It all depends on the car. If the manufacturer designed a stock airbox that was very ****ty and airtight, a good open filter may improve power noticeably.
Im not sure about 20hp though. 20hp is huge.
Like someone else said I think, the filter often just makes the motor sound meaner. The woosh fools the driver to think power is gained.
FP, did he get it dynoed? what car?
Like I said before, 20hp is a ****ing huge gain.
Im not sure about 20hp though. 20hp is huge.
Like someone else said I think, the filter often just makes the motor sound meaner. The woosh fools the driver to think power is gained.
FP, did he get it dynoed? what car?
Like I said before, 20hp is a ****ing huge gain.
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Yeah he got it Dyno'd. It was on his charger. He didnt believe it either so he tested it with the Charger's air filter that it had then the K&N. Maybe the filter he had just sucked, I dont know...
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Actually the filter that was in it was pretty much new and pretty clean. I dont really thing its unbelievable for that car as some pretty strange and what are supposed to be impossible things have happened in that car while my dad has been in ownership of it ...
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Some manufacturer's ECU info isn't as readily available as others. For $250 I'd guess the BMW info is fairly well known and more than one vendor offers a similar product.
For my Nissan I can buy a stand-alone EMU from JDM-land ($$$$$!!!), or give $800 and my stock ECU to JWT for a retune. They're the only reputable place in the US who has the knowledge and equipment to do it, so they can charge what they want. They tailor the tuning to your other mods (turbo, larger injectors, aggro cams, bigger MAFS, etc) so I've got lots to do before I need to deal with them...
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Originally posted by XenoN
People what is your opinion about performance chips?
Is it worth installing a performace chip in a turbo car like e.g. lancer evo ?
Depends on the car. VW's earlier generation 1.8Ts are well known for being very mildly tuned from the factory (150 BHP from a 1.8 liter turbo...Mild, yeah
). Supposedly a chip and exhaust on these cars is good for 25-30 BHP. Not bad for a grand's expenditure.The EVO, however, is pretty highly tuned from the factory. A chip could give a big bump in power, but it would probably have to raise the boost limit a bit. I'd look for dyno results first. Then again, I'd be pretty happy with a stock EVO.
I also wouldn't be surprised if a Charger got 20+ horsepower from a better quality air filter. Remember, even the smallest charger engine was still almost 400 cubic inches - it needs to ingest A LOT of air. I can see poor airbox design or filtration sapping that much power...especially if it was a Fram or something.
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I didnt know Fram made air filters. I have only seen there OIL filters 
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*clears throat*
Those of us who actually MAINTAIN our cars know.
Those of us who actually MAINTAIN our cars know.
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that's why I didnt know ...
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I don't. Not anymore, now that I have a decent car....
advanR
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Just put a conforti chip into my m3. Once I got the ecu out, i saw that it actually had a different aftermarket chip. Not sure which one yet, probably dinan or autoathority. Ive heard these are chit compared to conforti anyway.
I have only driven the car for less than an hour so far with it in. Ive been told that the ecu needs over 3 hours to adapt to the new chip. It should theoretically only get better from now on.
So far though, the butt dyno definately feels the difference. Probably the sweetest thing is that the revlimit is raised from 7250 to 7800. It no longer needs the 2-3 shift to get to 60. Using the timer in the car I timed around a 6.5 0-60 with it. It was probably within a second of accuracy. It is really a stupid way to get reliable times.
The main thing I have noticed so far is midrange improvement. 4th now pulls a bit harder at around 4k rpm. Will do more driving with it tomorrow.
I have only driven the car for less than an hour so far with it in. Ive been told that the ecu needs over 3 hours to adapt to the new chip. It should theoretically only get better from now on.
So far though, the butt dyno definately feels the difference. Probably the sweetest thing is that the revlimit is raised from 7250 to 7800. It no longer needs the 2-3 shift to get to 60. Using the timer in the car I timed around a 6.5 0-60 with it. It was probably within a second of accuracy. It is really a stupid way to get reliable times.
The main thing I have noticed so far is midrange improvement. 4th now pulls a bit harder at around 4k rpm. Will do more driving with it tomorrow.
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Lets see some more pictures of the car . Lets see some pictures of you driving it (looking at the speedometer )...
. Lets see some pictures of you driving it (looking at the speedometer )...Masterblaster
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depends on the gain you seekOriginally posted by XenoN
People what is your opinion about performance chips?
Is it worth installing a performace chip in a turbo car like e.g. lancer evo ?
