Please fix the 69 camaro

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yogi bear

yogi bear

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no one drives this car anymore, you guys went overboard slowing it down with lousy handling. For starters the tires are too skinny. And when it kicks loose, it's way too hard to save it. That is not how the real car behaves. I know because I used to own one. Look at old footage of transam races. Those cars are doing controlled slides..!!!.
No way it can be achieved anymore since you" fixed" the car...
I say again please put it back to its original handling. Right now it's useless.
 
yogi bear
no one drives this car anymore, you guys went overboard slowing it down with lousy handling. For starters the tires are too skinny. And when it kicks loose, it's way too hard to save it. That is not how the real car behaves. I know because I used to own one. Look at old footage of transam races. Those cars are doing controlled slides..!!!.
No way it can be achieved anymore since you" fixed" the car...
I say again please put it back to its original handling. Right now it's useless.
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Tested it just, gives immersion of wide sticky tires, behaves as is, long gearing and sticky tires makes hard to keep tires skidding when sliding, actual slide is controllable. FFB is really heavy, goes par with tire size.

Sorry to say, but I'm liking this car as is.

 
yogi bear
no one drives this car anymore, you guys went overboard slowing it down with lousy handling. For starters the tires are too skinny. And when it kicks loose, it's way too hard to save it. That is not how the real car behaves. I know because I used to own one. Look at old footage of transam races. Those cars are doing controlled slides..!!!.
No way it can be achieved anymore since you" fixed" the car...
I say again please put it back to its original handling. Right now it's useless.
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Bear I own a 65 Impala. I owned a 72 Camaro. They handle like real. I think it's bias ply tires
 
OdeFinn
Tested it just, gives immersion of wide sticky tires, behaves as is, long gearing and sticky tires makes hard to keep tires skidding when sliding, actual slide is controllable. FFB is really heavy, goes par with tire size.

Sorry to say, but I'm liking this car as is.

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Why is it slower and worse handling than the 66 mustang? Is it my g29 wheel?
At silver stone at 180 corner it's ass does a slow spin at 30mph. Feels likes it's rear end is loaded with lead.
The 66 mustang should handle similar shouldn't it. Technically the camaro should handle better than the mustang.
Watched your video. Is this stock set up? The car is far more snappier. When I try it it's like syrup. Slow to turn in, slow to spin but even slower to recover if at all.

There is no feel, ffb is barely there. But for the mustang it is.
 
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yogi bear
Why is it slower and worse handling than the 66 mustang? Is it my g29 wheel?
At silver stone at 180 corner it's ass does a slow spin at 30mph. Feels likes it's rear end is loaded with lead.
The 66 mustang should handle similar shouldn't it. Technically the camaro should handle better than the mustang.
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Check tires on Mustang and Camaro.
 
killerjimbag
Check tires on Mustang and Camaro.
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Does the mustang have better tires??
There is something screwy with my download then. I can run way faster in the mustang. Even the 240z handles better than my 69 camaro.
Is it possible my download got screwed up?..
Because honestly, it is now the worse handling car in almost any class.
 
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yogi bear
Why is it slower and worse handling than the 66 mustang? Is it my g29 wheel?
At silver stone at 180 corner it's ass does a slow spin at 30mph. Feels likes it's rear end is loaded with lead.
The 66 mustang should handle similar shouldn't it. Technically the camaro should handle better than the mustang.
Watched your video. Is this stock set up? The car is far more snappier. When I try it it's like syrup. Slow to turn in, slow to spin but even slower to recover if at all.

There is no feel, ffb is barely there. But for the mustang it is.
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Stock loose by sms.
I'm on G27, and there's really heavy FFB, so you should target your focus on FFB settings. If your FFB isn't telling what's happening on car then it can make your driving hard as you described.
 
Feels good to me too, stock loose setup with stock raw FFB on a G29. Was a lot of fun around Watkins Glen but I think the Jaguar is too powerful for that class.
 
OdeFinn
Stock loose by sms.
I'm on G27, and there's really heavy FFB, so you should target your focus on FFB settings. If your FFB isn't telling what's happening on car then it can make your driving hard as you described.
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G27? Oh, are you on a pc? ..I'm on a PS4. But shouldn't the mustang and the camaro be very close in times and handling? The ffb is fine on the mustang, and it handles far better.
 
yogi bear
G27? Oh, are you on a pc? ..I'm on a PS4. But shouldn't the mustang and the camaro be very close in times and handling? The ffb is fine on the mustang, and it handles far better.
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Nope, GIMX and PS4P.
Will do comparison with mustang race car tomorrow, haven't driven it yet.
 
Back in the days the Mustang was always lighter, better handling and faster than the Camaro in real life also :lol:
 
diesel97
Back in the days the Mustang was always lighter, better handling and faster than the Camaro in real life also :lol:
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Why did camaro win almost all the trans am races in 68 and 69 ?
You are right about weight.. the mustang was 15lbs lighter...lol.
However road and track labeled the 69 camaro the most streamlined muscle car of 69, and also the best handling because of its unibody construction. Allowing for body flex. The mustangs had to reinforce the rear with crosspieces as they would crack at the rear window joints.
 
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killerjimbag
I used to go watch them at Mosport with my dad and brother.
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I watched them at Edmonton speedway. Did you ever watch b sports racing at mosport? . My brother raced a lotus 23B there sometimes. It was red for a few years then light blue, big wide 15" slicks on the back. Number 66.
 
In a 30 min race the tyres in the Mustang, go up making the handling worse. This using stock settings, haven't tried the Camaro, but it could be the same.:)
 
John Wells
In a 30 min race the tyres in the Mustang, go up making the handling worse. This using stock settings, haven't tried the Camaro, but it could be the same.:)
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The camaro, for me, is crap right from the get go. It used to handle pretty good, but the last "fix" made it the worst handling car out of the class. I find it worse than the 240z. I used to own one back in the 70s. I could break the back end loose, steer into it and keep my foot in it and it would power its self straight. And that was on bias ply 60s! The trans am camaro had far wider tires and they were not treaded!. Racing slicks with some token slits in them. They don't have the sound right either... the tach says 8,000 rpm but it sure doesn't sound like it.
i watched some old transam videos, and compared them to p2 replays....those cars are going way faster in the actual videos.
 
You keep mentioned that you owned one. I just want to make sure you realize the one in the game is not a stock road car you would buy from a dealership right? The one in game is modified from a stock road car right?
 
John Wells
In a 30 min race the tyres in the Mustang, go up making the handling worse. This using stock settings, haven't tried the Camaro, but it could be the same.:)
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That's on the road version John. I'll try the Camaro and Mustang again tomorrow - last time I drove them the Camaro had 50bhp extra and lapped a couple of seconds or so faster.
 
DesertPenguin
You keep mentioned that you owned one. I just want to make sure you realize the one in the game is not a stock road car you would buy from a dealership right? The one in game is modified from a stock road car right?
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Did you read my post??.. I did mention that my stock road car handled better than the one in the game right?..
I did mention that the modified one in real life is way faster right??
I just want to make sure you realize what I posted.
 
Sure, but how can you know what the game car feels like in real life to compare to your stock road car if you've never driven it in real life (or have you and you haven't mentioned that yet)? Genuinely asking, does old racing footage ever show graphics on screen showing real time speed of the cars? What basis are you going by when you say faster? Straight line, known lap times, other things? Basically I'm asking if you can give more details on where you are coming from with your perspective. 👍
 
Sick Cylinder
That's on the road version John. I'll try the Camaro and Mustang again tomorrow - last time I drove them the Camaro had 50bhp extra and lapped a couple of seconds or so faster.
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I just figured it out... by picking track tires it's ass is all over the place. I chose choice by weather, it's much better. Something in tire model I guess. I would have thought track tires on dry pavement would have been the way to go. Not!...go figure

DesertPenguin
Sure, but how can you know what the game car feels like in real life to compare to your stock road car if you've never driven it in real life (or have you and you haven't mentioned that yet)? Genuinely asking, does old racing footage ever show graphics on screen showing real time speed of the cars? What basis are you going by when you say faster? Straight line, known lap times, other things? Basically I'm asking if you can give more details on where you are coming from with your perspective. 👍
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I'm saying I ran my street camaro on g60 bias ply tires on the track and it handled better than the one in the game. But never mind I figured it out. There is a glitch that makes track tires handle like crap. If I chose by weather it was better.
 
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Interesting. Try replicating it with other cars in the class to see if it happens to them too. Then try other vintage cars. Might be on to something there
 
yogi bear
Ok..thx
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So I tried Mustang, well it's easier to drive, difference is just typical SMS setup "failure", which you can correct easily, stupid for non-tuning rooms, making advantage to Mustang.
SMS have constantly forget to adjust slow-fast damper transition forces, for quick starting point increase bump transition values by one click and you're on way better Camaro, if you spend little bit time more to check how much which way needs delay you'll get it even better.
That your FFB should be adjusted, really similar FFB response on both cars, so something isn't right on your FFB settings.

Edit: clarification on my message; for starting point, increase only bump transition values, not rebound.
 
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yogi bear
I just figured it out... by picking track tires it's ass is all over the place. I chose choice by weather, it's much better. Something in tire model I guess. I would have thought track tires on dry pavement would have been the way to go. Not!...go figure
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Yeah I said that in my first post !
 
killerjimbag
Yeah I said that in my first post !
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You said check tires on mustang and camaro... I made sure both had track tires... mustang cornered fine on track tires, camaro did not. No change for mustang with auto by weather, big change for camaro.

OdeFinn
So I tried Mustang, well it's easier to drive, difference is just typical SMS setup "failure", which you can correct easily, stupid for non-tuning rooms, making advantage to Mustang.
SMS have constantly forget to adjust slow-fast damper transition forces, for quick starting point increase bump transition values by one click and you're on way better Camaro, if you spend little bit time more to check how much which way needs delay you'll get it even better.
That your FFB should be adjusted, really similar FFB response on both cars, so something isn't right on your FFB settings.

Edit: clarification on my message; for starting point, increase only bump transition values, not rebound.
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Ok... Bump transition value?.. I don't recall... to be honest the only thing I change is brake pressure, bias and gears. So basically the stock set up now sucks even more?... ok thx...I'll try tuning.
But you make a good point for SMS to fix it for no tuning leagues. SMS, Please fix this car!!!
 
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