PMC - Week 144 - Poll

[Nicknamealguem]

GT4 Photo Mode Competition

Week 144 - Poll

Theme: Photofinish

• Do NOT vote for your own entry.
• Have confidence in your own photo and don't try to sway the poll.

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[smith021]

Hey sorry LdS, it completely slipped my mind, I don't know why. This isn't my first competition I entered and every other time I've never forgotten. I'm an idiot.

 

[Nicknamealguem]

Hey sorry LdS, it completely slipped my mind, I don't know why. This isn't my first competition I entered and every other time I've never forgotten. I'm an idiot.

It’s ok. It happens. Just try not to forget next time. 👍

 

[Swiss Legend]

Congrats to you NTX! you blew us all out of the water. That was exactly the kind of shot I was hoping for too.

 

[NTX]

Thanks Swiss, and thanks to all that voted in my shot

 

[GrumpEone]

...In this week, Swiss wants to see two cars in a epic battle for the trophy in the finish line

Cars: Race Cars

Tracks: Finish line of tracks like: George V Paris, Infineon, Deep Forest, High Speed Ring, etc....

I want any track with a really good strong finish line. Examples include the tracks listed above. Pretty much I want the finish line to be of the checkered variety. If its a single line it will not be approved. Cool?

NTX, you have the best shot this week by a long shot, incredible realism!! That said, I noticed while viewing your shot, that your finish line was not of the checkered variety. I can't believe I didn't notice it before the poll.

So I guess everyone got caught up in the beauty of the shot, and forgot about the rules. As well as the PMC rules...

Also upon looking at the shot closer (in PS), I noticed a few more issues due to the validity of the shot. I will expand my analysis further after seeing the watermarked shot.

NTX, please post your original shot with the watermark, before any modifications were made.

 

[Nicknamealguem]

NTX, you have the best shot this week by a long shot, incredible realism!! That said, I noticed while viewing your shot, that your finish line was not of the checkered variety. I can't believe I didn't notice it before the poll.

So I guess everyone got caught up in the beauty of the shot, and forgot about the rules. As well as the PMC rules...

Also upon looking at the shot closer (in PS), I noticed a few more issues due to the validity of the shot. I will expand my analysis further after seeing the watermarked shot.

NTX, please post your original shot with the watermark, before any modifications were made.

Ladies and gentlemen, I guess e have a new Host and Judge here.

I will not pronunciation about the theme, since that is Swiss Legend Job (since he is the judge).

Congrats to you NTX! you blew us all out of the water. That was exactly the kind of shot I was hoping for too.

Oh, ok...

About some issues on the shot…hmmm, I doubt NTX had broke the rules. But, nevertheless, It is better to submit the original.

Next time, GrumpEone, when you notice something unusual in any other entries, PLEASE, P.M. me first, and I know what to do, rather than make posts like this, and almost make a scandal out of an image. You will only embarrass yourself.

Really, when someone see something unusual, they should talk with the host first. It is really not necessary to go this way, and ram the competition and say “hey your image has some rules issues, submit the original now!!!!!!1!!1!!!111!!one!!two”. That is not the way things are resolved here. In your competition, you can do whatever you want, here, I don’t tolerate those kind of things. Try to be more polite.

Regards,
LdS

 

[NTX]

Well...I wouldn´t mind show U guys the original, but I already deleted it from my PC...sorry. I will see if I still have it in my PEN Drive. But I can say 100% that I always play by the rules. So what have my shot of "unusual"?

About the photo, its a finish line...just without the checkers...but if U guys want U can disqualify my entry. Sorry about that people.

P.s - here is the original [URL=http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0072vu8.jpg][/URL]

Now if U found anything wrong...U are my hero Grumpe:tup:

 

[Nicknamealguem]

About the photo, its a finish line...just without the checkers...but if U guys want U can disqualify my entry. Sorry about that people.

No, you won’t be disqualified. I didn’t saw any issue in the image submitted, and the image is fallowing the theme. It is a finish line. Maybe not a so strong finish line, but it is following the theme. And you don’t have to sorry anyone.

So

Congratulations NTX1982​

 

[GrumpEone]

Ladies and gentlemen, I guess e have a new Host and Judge here.

I will not pronunciation about the theme, since that is Swiss Legend Job (since he is the judge).

Oh, ok...

No, actually we have someone who is actually trying to make these comps adhere to the rules that are set. But I guess the rules are not that important.

About some issues on the shot…hmmm, I doubt NTX had broke the rules. But, nevertheless, It is better to submit the original.

Next time, GrumpEone, when you notice something unusual in any other entries, PLEASE, P.M. me first, and I know what to do, rather than make posts like this, and almost make a scandal out of an image. You will only embarrass yourself.

No, next time I will do the same. You know what to do... yet you let the shot pass into the poll. Swiss could not have been more clearer "checkered variety finish line". You can't set a rule, and then take it back because of a great shot. It is called integrity, which this comp obviously doesn't have, and if NTX had any (in this case) he would have disqualified himself. I would have DQ'd myself in such an instance.

Yet again, this is a public comp, any issues I have will be made public! As it should be!

I guess adherence to the rules are optional here.... Ridiculous!!

Really, when someone see something unusual, they should talk with the host first. It is really not necessary to go this way, and ram the competition and say “hey your image has some rules issues, submit the original now!!!!!!1!!1!!!111!!one!!two”. That is not the way things are resolved here. In your competition, you can do whatever you want, here, I don’t tolerate those kind of things. Try to be more polite.

Regards,
LdS

Why should they talk to the host first, to keep the broken rule hush hush?? I will ram the comp, because it is pointless when the rules are not followed.

And how are things handled here?? just ignore the issue?? That is not really handling anything! I do not tolerate these things!

Also, if you hold to your attitude you may want to adjust your rules in the 1st post, of your comps! \/ \/

Please ensure you read and understand all requirements for this competition. Failure to follow the rules may result in disqualification.
If you have any questions about how this competition is run, please ask in the thread or send me a private message.

I was polite when I asked him to post his original, to confirm/ dis-confirm possible editing, more than PMC allows. I could have just rattled off accusations, without enough info to do so. But that would have been impolite, and down right stupid.

LdS, if you have such an issue with me raising questions about those who ignore the rules (or simply forget a rule), then you should ban me from your comps. I will always speak-up publicly when the rules are not followed. So ban me, or deal with it!


NTX, your original has satisfied my 'editing' questions, the hue/ contrast adjustment, made the Castrol Car look almost super-imposed. Still after all, that is a great shot, if it wasn't great I wouldn't have been looking so closely into the shot. Great job, Congratulations!! Even though I think it shouldn't have been accepted, but no one caught the infraction before the poll, so again, Congrats.

EDIT: /\ /\ I meant Brightness/ Contrast rather than Hue/ Contrast, above

BTW- LdS my post was far more polite and diplomatic than yours, and you are supposed to be a 'host'.

 

[smith021]

I personally believe this is escalating to way more than it should be. GrumpEone, I agree that the rules were broken and it should've been pointed out. Hell, I voted for the shot without even realizing the rules were not followed. Don't get me wrong NTX, your shot was simply amazing, but think about it: if our pictures were to be voted on in terms of how closely the rules were followed, then it should not have received a single vote (I don't mean to put it so harshly, but it's the truth. Sorry NTX. ). When I set out to take my picture for this competition, I had a few ideas floating around. I wanted to use the M3 GTR to adhere to the rule of race cars, and the fact that I love BMW's. Since the lights on the M3 GTR are so different (if you ask me) due to the color of the lights, I set out to find a track where it would be night, so the lights would be on. But what did I also make sure to look for? A night track that included a checkered finish line. And with that checkered line, I emphasized it. Honestly, I understand where you're coming from LdS, only because the picture made it this far without being noticed. Everyone was probably blown away by how amazing the entire picture was, therefore a small detail such as the finish line was just looked over and obviously did not cross our minds until GrumpEone noticed and spoke up. I honestly don't know how to resolve the issue, because no one noticed until after NTX had already won the poll, but on the other hand, the rules were broken. I don't want to say have a re-vote simply because, hypothetically speaking, if I won, I would feel as if I did not win in a chivalrous way. NTX blew the polls away with his amazing shot. But that is why I said I cannot resolve the issue. I believe we should get this resolved in a mature, fair and respectful manner. I believe if we listen to input from others, and especially those of us that have pictures in the poll, and the host of the competition, we can resolve this fairly and respectfully.

NTX, your original has satisfied my 'editing' questions, the hue/ contrast adjustment, made the Castrol Car look almost super-imposed.

Also, if the hue was adjusted, wouldn't that DEFINITELY be cheating? My guess is you meant brightness, GrumpEone, but I am not photoshop-savvy enough to say whether hue was adjusted or not.

 

[GrumpEone]

...Hell, I voted for the shot without even realizing the rules were not followed...

I vote for the shot too, I didn't notice until admiring the shot last night, then I remembered the shot I scrapped because it was not at a checkered finish. I read the expanded explanation before posting my entry, then had to go re-shoot for this comp.

...Don't get me wrong NTX, your shot was simply amazing, but think about it: if our pictures were to be voted on in terms of how closely the rules were followed, then it should not have received a single vote (I don't mean to put it so harshly, but it's the truth. Sorry NTX. ). When I set out to take my picture for this competition, I had a few ideas floating around. I wanted to use the M3 GTR to adhere to the rule of race cars, and the fact that I love BMW's. Since the lights on the M3 GTR are so different (if you ask me) due to the color of the lights, I set out to find a track where it would be night, so the lights would be on. But what did I also make sure to look for? A night track that included a checkered finish line. And with that checkered line, I emphasized it. Honestly, I understand where you're coming from LdS, only because the picture made it this far without being noticed. Everyone was probably blown away by how amazing the entire picture was, therefore a small detail such as the finish line was just looked over and obviously did not cross our minds until GrumpEone noticed and spoke up. I honestly don't know how to resolve the issue, because no one noticed until after NTX had already won the poll, but on the other hand, the rules were broken. I don't want to say have a re-vote simply because, hypothetically speaking, if I won, I would feel as if I did not win in a chivalrous way. NTX blew the polls away with his amazing shot. As I said, I cannot resolve the issue, but I believe we should get this resolved in a mature, fair and respectful manner. I believe if we isten to input from others, and especially those of us that have pictures in the poll, and the judge of the competition, we can resolve this fairly and respectfully.

LdS resolved the issue, by ignoring the rule and declaring NTX the winner. I'm curious if he even conferred with Swiss, probably not considering Swiss normally shows up around here in the evening and I posted my concerns early this morning.

IMO- the fairest thing would to re-poll the comp, after giving NTX a day or two to re-shoot, since nobody caught the error before the poll, but that may drag this week out too long.

Also, if the hue was adjusted, wouldn't that DEFINITELY be cheating? My guess is you meant brightness, GrumpEone, but I am not photoshop-savvy enough to say whether hue was adjusted or not.

Yes, I meant brightness instead of hue, sorry for the confusion. And no, the hue was not adjusted.

 

[Nicknamealguem]

No, please, I must be missing something?
Where are the rules broken? I just notice now, that the only shot that violates the Rules (and I should apologize myself because I didn’t saw the infraction (seriously I didn’t) is Tangled Web Image, where the theme askes for race cars, and there is not a single race car. Did someone talked or warned about this? No.
It is MY JOB to ensure the rules are followed in terms of what you do to your picture in photoshop and other rules. It is the LAST WEEK WINNER job to ensure the Theme is followed.

But I return to my question? Where did NTX shot broke the rule? Let’s see

Theme: Photofinish

In this week, Swiss wants to see two cars in a epic battle for the trophy in the finish line

Cars: Race Cars

Tracks: Finish line of tracks like: George V Paris, Infineon, Deep Forest, High Speed Ring, etc.

Photo Travel: No

Theme: Photofinish – Check
Explanation – Two cars in a epic battle for the trophy in the finish line – Check
Cars: Race cars – Check
Tracks: Finish line of tracks like: George V Paris…etc. (It doesn’t specified that it has to be checkered type), so IT IS within the rules

Oh, one more thing, let me remind of one thing:

Welcome to Week 2, Scenery Competition.​

Theme: She'll Be Coming around the Mountain... (concentrating on Mountains in the Scenery, not the car driven)
Cars: Open/ Any (Not the focal point, But Must be in the shot.)
Tracks: Open/ Any Fitting the Theme
PhotoTravel: Okay (if you must)​

So a car has to be in the shot, just not prominently? I don't really see why this is necessary. What's the point of including something if it can't be the focal point?...

Anyway, here's my final entry... and it does lack a car...

FINAL ENTRY​

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All entries will be in the poll, and the voters can decide, whether or not there needs to be a car in the shot.

Oh, and just to let you know, all entries got to the poll this week. So, the voters decided whether or not there was a need of a checkered type of finish line (that it isn’t even specified in the theme (if it must have a checkered type of finish line (the et cetera is there for something)))

Also, there were number of times in number of competitions were the shot wasn’t specifically within the theme, and sometimes more evident that the shot was not fallowing the theme and sometimes those shots won, so I think there was no necessity of this nonsense, since NTX shot is following the theme quite well. Seriosly...​

 

[GrumpEone]

No, please, I must be missing something?

Yes, you are so let me quote the expanded explanation again, since you didn't read it before!

I want any track with a really good strong finish line. Examples include the tracks listed above. Pretty much I want the finish line to be of the checkered variety. If its a single line it will not be approved. Cool?

Where are the rules broken?

READ THE QUOTED ABOVE

It is the LAST WEEK WINNER job to ensure the Theme is followed.

Did you even confer with Swiss before making the poll??


Are you intentionally missing the point?? When it was asked for a further explanation on which tracks were allowed, Swiss stated the quoted above.


And about pulling up the Scenery Competition, I made the theme, and the decision to leave it up to the field to decide what was acceptable or not. The difference was, that I stated that long before the poll; in this case it was not caught or commented about before the poll, so many forgot about the checkered finish including myself. That doesn't make it any more or less following the rules.

 

[Nicknamealguem]

Sorry, I didn’t saw the second post (where Swiss Legend said it has to be the checkered verity).

So, it is my fault, because I should have put that sentence in the first post, has I completely missed that post.
So, has a mistake of mine, I cannot disqualify NTX, since the rules are in the 1st post and not in the 2nd or 3rd post.

Also, I don’t have to check with anyone the integrity of the entries before making the poll, only if the number of images passes the limit (has it happens).
But, I will wait Swiss Legend response, and meanwhile, I will talk with other competition hosts, and ask for their advice, because they have more experience, and already handled this kind of things.

 

[atlop]

Did you even confer with Swiss before making the poll??

And this of course is the issue here. Why would he have asked Swiss about the shots when everyone's shot went in to the poll? In the good old days when the previous winner actually had to pick shots for the poll it was the winners responsibility to not choose shots that did not meet all criteria set in the theme. Now that all shots usually get in it should maybe be more the host's job to check the entries follow the theme too (and all other rules of the comp).

IMO there is no point to set strict rules for the week and then not enforce them, so at least Swiss and LdS should admid that clearly a mistake was made. Still GrumpEone you should have sent a PM to LdS first. Please just believe me you should have.

EDIT: Ok, just saw LdS's post above, so it's all sorted out now.
EDIT EDIT: Forgot to say of course this is no way the first this same thing has happened.

 

[Nicknamealguem]

Yeah, I really have to pay more attention to the images, has also the last week winner.
But really, I completely missed the Post where Swiss said it was the checkered variety finish line he wanted, so I really failed at putting that information in the first post. So, NTX has no fault on this (never had), and it’s really my fault. So, has I said, I will not disqualify NTX for something that is my fault, has he already done the same in he’s competition (in the Photomode Tournament).
I will see what Swiss has to say, though.

 

[NTX]

I see that World War 3 has arrived
Now that I read all this, I didn´t noticed the post that says to be a checkered finish. So once again sorry guys.

On the other hand, the finish line is there, I have two race cars...so I followed the theme 99.9%. I missed one detail, but who in the world never missed some details??

Now if Swiss wants to DQ my entry, I will not be mad. If not...well congrats to me.

 

[alexwrc]

 

[Swiss Legend]

WWIII indeed!
I am very embarrassed that I did not catch that. (At least I am not the only one)

And this of course is the issue here. Why would he have asked Swiss about the shots when everyone's shot went in to the poll? In the good old days when the previous winner actually had to pick shots for the poll it was the winners responsibility to not choose shots that did not meet all criteria set in the theme. Now that all shots usually get in it should maybe be more the host's job to check the entries follow the theme too (and all other rules of the comp).

IMO there is no point to set strict rules for the week and then not enforce them, so at least Swiss and LdS should admid that clearly a mistake was made. Still GrumpEone you should have sent a PM to LdS first. Please just believe me you should have.

EDIT: Ok, just saw LdS's post above, so it's all sorted out now.
EDIT EDIT: Forgot to say of course this is no way the first this same thing has happened.

Glad to hear this has happened before.
Thats why I still think that we should narrow things down. If there are say 8 entries, the theme chooser should pick the top 6 or even top 4. Give more of a reward to the winner. (slipz discussion thread)

Yeah, I really have to pay more attention to the images, has also the last week winner.
But really, I completely missed the Post where Swiss said it was the checkered variety finish line he wanted, so I really failed at putting that information in the first post. So, NTX has no fault on this (never had), and it’s really my fault. So, has I said, I will not disqualify NTX for something that is my fault, has he already done the same in he’s competition (in the Photomode Tournament).
I will see what Swiss has to say, though.

I take full responsibility for this whole fiasco. I never told LdS about the added stipulation in my post, he in turn missed my post. So blame shouldn't be on him.
I am currently talking w/ a few people, and will talk with LdS too regarding this.

 

[Muzaffar]

*snip*

EDIT EDIT: Forgot to say of course this is no way the first this same thing has happened.

With that being a key point. There has been many comps that happened like that. IIRC, I think NTX did the same thing in the UEC comp as I noticed he cropped his image was not the same resolution as the other photos. But yeah, give him a slap on the wrist and let him learn his lessons. I mean, we are doing this for fun right? We don't exactly have to be serious about it......

Nobody has to be sorry about anything. Mistakes always does happens, and no one is really sure of it until its too late.

 

[GrumpEone]

... Still GrumpEone you should have sent a PM to LdS first...

Yet again, anything I have say here in these comps, is public! There is no need to keep anything secret.

Yeah, I really have to pay more attention to the images, has also the last week winner.
But really, I completely missed the Post where Swiss said it was the checkered variety finish line he wanted, so I really failed at putting that information in the first post. So, NTX has no fault on this (never had), and it’s really my fault. So, has I said, I will not disqualify NTX for something that is my fault, has he already done the same in he’s competition (in the Photomode Tournament).
I will see what Swiss has to say, though.

Yeah, we all have to pay more attention while voting (or at least 9 of us), which is also why these things need to be public. Lets see,... I voted for it, LdS, Swiss, and five others, so there is more fault than just on, the shot, host, and theme-chooser.

...I see that World War 3 has arrived
Now that I read all this, I didn´t noticed the post that says to be a checkered finish. So once again sorry guys...

lol, WWIII. Sometimes it's easy to miss the expanded explanations, it happens, shoot no one caught it for how many days?? like 8 or 9

Sorry but when i noticed it, I couldn't ignore it, I am stickler about rules in any competition, that's what makes a competition fair.

WWIII indeed!
I take full responsibility for this whole fiasco. I never told LdS about the added stipulation in my post, he in turn missed my post. So blame shouldn't be on him.
I am currently talking w/ a few people, and will talk with LdS too regarding this.

Of course it has happened before, mistakes happen, but they still have to be addressed fairly, after all it is a competition and there must be a winner!

IMO- It would not be fair to everyone who had entries, to declare NTX the winner. Nor would it be fair to NTX to DQ him, since the host, theme-chooser, or the entrants didn't catch it before the poll.

Right now, the only solution I can think of, if NTX is up to it, would be to allow him to submit a new entry, and re-poll the competition. It would take a little more time, but would be fair. It is a damn-shame though NTX, that was a great shot, if it wasn't so eye-catching and realistic I probably wouldn't have eventually noticed the error.

 

[NTX]

After some PM´s with Swiss and LDS, it was decided to continue with the comp.
Okay, for the last time, I´ve missed the checkered line...like I said I did not see the post, I only saw the 1st one containing the explanation of the theme. SORRY!!!!

LDS has already PM me asking next week theme. So PLEASE, lets move on.

BUT

If this discussion continues...PLEASE LDS, disqualify me!!! I don´t care. U can give the win to 2nd most voted shot.

I´ve been in GTP for quite some time, and this is the 1st time that I see such discussion about a missed detail. Like Musa said, in the Un-Edited comp. I´ve changed my image size, giving it a wide look, apparently was illegal, but it was noticed after winning that same comp. And what Atlop did?? He decided to let me "stay" with the win, and warned me for not doing the same in future comps. But one thing must be told, I never knew that we could not change the picture resolution, at least for a resolution that can give a wide aspect (I have used 1024X700, instead 1024X768).

So...is it over now??????

P.S - GrumpeOne I´m not "mad" with U. U have spotted a missed detail, and U have make your point. But please, move forward now.👍​

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I suppose I could act surprised.

Anyways... yes, this has happened before. It is both the theme chooser's and the comp host's responsibility to make sure the entries abide by the rules. Since all entries went in this week, that fell on the comp host. How it has been handled in the past is that if nobody noticed during the submission process, or the poll, and only noticed afterwards... well, unfortunately, you can't disqualify them. It wouldn't be fair, because while they did make a mistake and not read all the requirements, they also weren't held to them. It's a mistake, they happen, it's best to move on. Nobody intentionally tried to mislead anyone here, it's not a witch-hunt.

And I'll agree with most people that PM's are best. Not that us veterans know anything.

 

[GrumpEone]

I suppose I could act surprised.

Anyways... yes, this has happened before. It is both the theme chooser's and the comp host's responsibility to make sure the entries abide by the rules. Since all entries went in this week, that fell on the comp host. How it has been handled in the past is that if nobody noticed during the submission process, or the poll, and only noticed afterwards... well, unfortunately, you can't disqualify them. It wouldn't be fair, because while they did make a mistake and not read all the requirements, they also weren't held to them. It's a mistake, they happen, it's best to move on. Nobody intentionally tried to mislead anyone here, it's not a witch-hunt.

And I'll agree with most people that PM's are best. Not that us veterans know anything.

Best to move on? I disagree; it is best to resolve the issue fairly, rather than ignore it and move on. It is not all that complex of a competition structure, there are many ways to make a fair resolution, and with NTX DQ'ing himself, it makes the resolution even easier.

Why are PM's the best?? No one has made a strong argument for PM's; rather these comps need to be discussed in the open, so everyone can see what is happening with the public competition. Also with my comments being public, maybe we all will pay a little more attention to the shots submitted, and we can catch these issues before the poll.

After some PM´s with Swiss and LDS, it was decided to continue with the comp.
Okay, for the last time, I´ve missed the checkered line...like I said I did not see the post, I only saw the 1st one containing the explanation of the theme. SORRY!!!!

LDS has already PM me asking next week theme. So PLEASE, lets move on.

BUT

If this discussion continues...PLEASE LDS, disqualify me!!! I don´t care. U can give the win to 2nd most voted shot.

I´ve been in GTP for quite some time, and this is the 1st time that I see such discussion about a missed detail. Like Musa said, in the Un-Edited comp. I´ve changed my image size, giving it a wide look, apparently was illegal, but it was noticed after winning that same comp. And what Atlop did?? He decided to let me "stay" with the win, and warned me for not doing the same in future comps. But one thing must be told, I never knew that we could not change the picture resolution, at least for a resolution that can give a wide aspect (I have used 1024X700, instead 1024X768).

So...is it over now??????

P.S - GrumpeOne I´m not "mad" with U. U have spotted a missed detail, and U have make your point. But please, move forward now.👍​

It's not over until we have a winner.

So if you are DQ'ing yourself, then I guess onward to a three-way tie-breaker poll.

 

[Beerz]

Wow. Just... wow.



What the hell is going on around here?

*bitch-slaps photomode people*


Seriously.
All this because of that?...

Here's the way I see it:

- 1st post provides the theme for all participants, and that theme is provided by last week's winner;

- NTX's shot follows the rules in the 1st post perfectly (the same set of rules tha applied to all participants);

- On the 3rd post of the thread, Swiss added a new "twist" to the theme;

- That bit was neither discussed nor included on the 1st post (you know, the one with the actual rules and stuff);

- When NTX submitted his shot, the theme provider was one of the first to congratulate him for his shot, nothing was mentioned about any checkered lines or anything;

- Poll was put up, NTX's shot got the most votes;

- NTX won fairly. Period.



Now, if he had broken any of the comp's rules (which, remember, are on the 1st post), I'd be probably typing something different. But that was clearly not the case.
Nobody's getting disqualified for following the comp's rules, and much less because of that crap about the checkered line vs solid line thing.


ON the PM thing, I am strongly of the opinion that it is the right step to make.
What LdS has on the post is to post on the thread or PM him if there's any doubd about the comp's rules. The rules of the competition, per se. Not about some shot submitted being legal or illegal - supposedly.

The correct step to make (especially for someone who takes all this so seriously like GrumpE) was to PM the host stating his doubts on the shot (as I've done at least twice on the past - I think it was with atlop's unedited comp, everything got sorted and I didn't came out accusing anyone in 'public' nor the photo submitter had to defend himself in 'public' as well - plus, on the vast majority of the times, people just make mistakes, they're not cheaters), and everything could/should be sorted out on PM's between all the parties involved, including the theme provider.

Surely you agree that making an inflamatory post bashing the comp and screaming bloody murder that the winner shot shoud be disqualified because of something that is only - clearly now - your opinion, doesn't do any good for anyone involved, and provides a really bad image of all of this forum, as if rules didn't mean anything to anyone here, and comp hosts are just there for decoration purposes.



Like SlipZ, I tried to put my surprised face on, but failed miserably...

Grin face suits fine for this one.

 

[GrumpEone]

It was admitted by both the host and the theme-chooser that they dropped the ball. Yet again, I am made the villain when I point out a mistake in a competition. I offer solutions, that are ignored, trying to keep things running fairly, after all it is a competition. Why compete if it isn't run fairly??

Well you guys can have your poorly run competitions. I have been very diplomatic about addressing these issues. But all I get in return is venomous comments in return. If you guys ran things correctly there would be nothing to point out. PM is for PRIVATE MESSAGES, not for discussing mistakes or not followed RULES. THIS IS A COMPETITION!!! ANY ISSUES NEED TO BE DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC!!! Whether it is a suspected shot, or a mistake like we had here.

Well you guys who have issue with how I handle myself here, will be happy because I will no longer deal with this sinking ship (photomode competition), with hosts more worried about losing face rather than running competitions by the rules set, and that includes further explanations of the themes.

So I am outta here, I am so completely done with PMC, and GTP as a whole. It was fun for awhile, but the A$$holes screwed it up for me. It is more than this particular issue, but merely the last straw. Some people's stupidity, and failure to listen to logic, reason, and fair play has finally run me off this forum.

 

[smith021]

I think this definitely escalated wayyyyyyyyy more than it needed to be. It's just a picture guys (an amazing one at that). A verdict was decided upon, let bigons be bigons and lets forget this. I think the problem should've been over with when the competition host, the theme chooser, and the deemed winner decided on what was to be done.GrumpEone, I believe you were in the right by pointing out the picture did not 100% follow the theme, and I believe the correct action was taken to resolve the issue. Couldn't we have just left it at that? I think SlipZ said it best:

It's a mistake, they happen, it's best to move on. Nobody intentionally tried to mislead anyone here, it's not a witch-hunt.

And to add to that....I mean it's the poll of week 144. That's the 144th running of this competition. And guess what? There's a week 145 in progress right now. Let's just forget it, and move on.

Congrats, NTX. As GrumpE pointed out, it wasn't 100% exact on the theme desired, but it was an amazing shot and definitely deserved the praise it received.👍

Now let's work on week 145.

 

[Muzaffar]

*snip*

Well, whatever man. Its your call.
But yeah, lets just leave it at that. I think you have already upset enough people in here. What was supposed to be a fun and creative activity, you turned it into a mosh stomp with nobody being benefited from it. A terrible suggestion and a lack of control over your posts, your just a killjoy. 👎

 

[Nicknamealguem]

Well, let’s go on with the competition. After discussing with Swiss, I declare NTX1982 has the winner.

And for the next weeks I will ensure new rules for this to never happen again, has also, I will try to have caution with the images following the theme, has also more attentive to further indications about the theme itself.

This thread just got on my nerves enough to say this: Please, some Moderator, Close this thread, upon another discussion arise

I just want to thanks Beerz, SlipZtrEm, Muzzafar Musa and atlop, for the opinion gave about this issue.
And sorry NTX1982 and Swiss Legend for all this mess.

So, let´s resume and forgot about this incident, and Please, someone Close This Thread.


Good Riddance