Pontiac Vibe GT vs Toyota Voltz S at Suzuka

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Both cars are the same, but their engines are very different. The Vibe GT is highly underrated, because it came with the same 180-horse 2ZZ engine that saw duty in the last-generation Celica GT-S. It is also a common swap for the MR2 Spyder which came with the 138-horse 1ZZ engine shared with the Voltz and Corolla. Unfortunately, PD is terrible at getting the stats right, so the Voltz is short-changed by 7 horsepower, with just 131 at its disposal.

So how do these 2 identical cars with 2 very different engines get on? SH tires, no oil change.

2:36.296 - 376 pp - Pontiac Vibe GT '03
2:47.640 - 341 pp - Toyota Voltz S '02

Vibe GT
180 hp / 7,500 rpm
130 ft-lb / 7,000 rpm
1,273 kg

Voltz S
131 hp / 6,000 rpm
125 ft-lb / 4,000 rpm
1,250 kg

The Voltz has the advantage of low-end power and slightly less weight, but it can't compete with the Vibe's massive horsepower increase. Over 11 seconds separates these two by the end of their laps.

The Vibe is less than 4 seconds behind the Celica SS-II '99 and the MR2 Spyders.

 
Battle of the uglies!! Thanks for suffering through that! :lol: Every time I see the Vibe I just wish so bad that PD had put the hideous Pontiac Aztek in the game! :sly: (I'm half kidding.. the thing was ugly as sin but I'd def like to have a green one to drive around in online :lol:)

You should find a car that is similar to the PT cruiser for a race!
 
I too wish the Aztek were in GT. It would surely win the award for ugliest car in the game.

The PT Cruiser has 356 pp. Other cars with 356 pp that I've tested include the CR-Z and Mazda Cosmo Sport '68.

CR-Z does 2:39.2 and the Mazda does 2:39.7

The PT Cruiser? 2:42.4 :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
Every time I see the Vibe I just wish so bad that PD had put the hideous Pontiac Aztek in the game! :sly: (I'm half kidding.. the thing was ugly as sin but I'd def like to have a green one to drive around in online :lol:

On Willow Springs? ;)

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Too bad we don't have Toscana anymore...
 
i believe the matrix is the car pontiac agreed with toyota to make, not the voltz.. or maybe that's because ive never heard of a voltz
 
I dunno but driving 10k miles on one track seems bland enough to me..

Whatever the man's track preferences are, they are his, not yours. Making a statement like you did is just plain rude and uncalled for. Frankly, @SuzukaStar has provided GTPlanet members will an invaluable service by posting all of these results for us to see.

I've been meaning to ask you SuzukaStar, do you have a database/spreadsheet of all of your tests on Suzuka? I was just wondering if you kept a list that could be referenced. Like I've mentioned before, I feel that your tests on such a difficult track provide us with a very good guide to a particular car's stock capabilities and it would make great reference material.
 
Whatever the man's track preferences are, they are his, not yours. Making a statement like you did is just plain rude and uncalled for. Frankly, @SuzukaStar has provided GTPlanet members will an invaluable service by posting all of these results for us to see.

I've been meaning to ask you SuzukaStar, do you have a database/spreadsheet of all of your tests on Suzuka? I was just wondering if you kept a list that could be referenced. Like I've mentioned before, I feel that your tests on such a difficult track provide us with a very good guide to a particular car's stock capabilities and it would make great reference material.
SH tires all around, no oil changes, no mods or tuning. Some cars detuned to meet proper HP.

All the video replays can be found here.

I don't like to test racecars because they are adjustable and don't work well on SH tires. I did a few out of curiosity.

I hope this will be a nice reference for some of you.

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2:20.147 - 506 - 2010 Aston Martin V8 Vantage
2:20.156 - 482 - 1998 Lotus Esprit V8 GT
2:20.236 - 493 - 2000 Nismo Skyline GT-R S-tune (R32)
2:20.452 - 454 - 2001 Honda NSX Type S
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2:20.672 - 488 - 2007 BMW M3 Coupe
2:20.805 - 521 - 2011 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe
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2:20.957 - 438 - 2004 Lotus Elise 111R
2:21.030 - 543 - 2002 Caterham Seven Fireblade
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2:21.312 - 462 - 2004 Amuse S2000 R1
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2:21.695 - 512 - 2010 Jaguar XKR Coupe
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2:21.918 - 472 - 2000 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI RS T.M. Edition
2:21.925 - 488 - 2008 Maserati GranTurismo S
2:21.930 - 460 - 2003 Trial Celica SS-II (ZZT231)
2:22.089 - 475 - 2000 Tommykaira ZZ-S
2:22.132 - 484 - 2002 Jaguar XKR R Performance
2:22.142 - 462 - 2008 Nissan Fairlady Z (Z34)
2:22.232 - 461 - 2007 Subaru Impreza WRX STi
2:22.355 - 483 - 2000 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R
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2:22.481 - 472 - 2002 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-spec II Nur (R34)
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2:22.583 - 509 - 2004 Mercedes-Benz SL 55 AMG (R230)
2:22.621 - 460 - 2003 Nissan 350Z (Z33, US)
2:22.622 - 453 - 2002 Autobacs Garaiya
2:22.758 - 450 - 1999 Honda NSX Type S Zero
2:22.796 - 447 - 2004 Acura NSX
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2:22.876 - 458 - 2005 Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi Spec C Type RA
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2:23.478 - 511 - 2004 Mercedes-Benz SL 600 (R230)
2:23.559 - 456 - 1998 Subaru Impreza Coupe 22B-STi Version
2:23.565 - 440 - 2004 Amuse S2000 Street Version
2:23.573 - 446 - 1997 Acura NSX Coupe
2:23.647 - 466 - 2000 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR T.M. Edition
2:23.696 - 455 - 2007 Nissan Fairlady Z Version S (Z33)
2:23.734 - 457 - 2003 Mitsubishi Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII GSR
2:23.886 - 448 - 2000 Spoon Civic Type R (EK)
2:23.891 - 457 - 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR
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2:23.925 - 486 - 2011 SRT Charger SRT8
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2:23.974 - 443 - 1999 Honda NSX
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2:24.284 - 463 - 2007 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR Premium Package
2:24.391 - 497 - 2002 Mercedes-Benz E 55 AMG
2:24.563 - 444 - 2000 Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi Version (Type-I)
2:24.589 - 458 - 2007 Nissan Skyline Coupe 370GT Type SP
2:24.608 - 450 - 2001 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII GSR
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2:24.657 - 455 - 2007 BMW 135i Coupe
2:24.761 - 463 - 2008 Tesla Roadster
2:24.786 - 483 - 2000 Aston Martin DB7 Vantage Coupe
2:24.798 - 428 - 1999 Honda S2000
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2:24.916 - 439 - 1990 Honda NSX
2:24.945 - 449 - 2001 Toyota RSC
2:25.057 - 449 - 2002 Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi (Type-II)
2:25.144 - 465 - 2003 Audi S4
2:25.265 - 460 - 2000 Chevrolet Camaro SS
2:25.296 - 444 - 2009 Audi TTS Coupe
2:25.370 - 438 - 2010 Volkswagen Scirocco R
2:25.483 - 448 - 1999 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R34)
2:25.490 - 451 - 1999 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR
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2:25.545 - 435 - 2002 Ford Focus RS
2:25.587 - 449 - 2005 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR
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2:25.689 - 466 - 2004 Pontiac GTO 5.7 Coupe
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2:25.902 - 449 - 2003 Subaru Legacy B4 2.0GT Spec.B
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2:26.351 - 442 - 1996 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR
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2:26.688 - 465 - 1970 Chevrolet Nova SS
2:26.705 - 430 - 1994 Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi
2:26.716 - 454 - 1965 Shelby GT350
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2:26.801 - 452 - 1997 Toyota Supra RZ
2:26.840 - 443 - 1997 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Coupe
2:26.859 - 419 - 2003 Honda Integra Type R (DC5)
2:26.867 - 434 - 2000 Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex (S.S. Ver.)
2:26.872 - 432 - 2002 Pontiac Solstice Coupe Concept
2:26.891 - 455 - 1965 Shelby GT350R
2:26.903 - 427 - 2002 Chrysler Prowler
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2:26.935 - 439 - 2003 Nissan 350Z Roadster (Z33, US)
2:26.955 - 420 - 2004 Honda Integra Type R (DC5)
2:26.993 - 423 - 2006 Honda S2000
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2:27.340 - 445 - 2006 Infiniti G35 Coupe
2:27.363 - 435 - 1997 Toyota MR2 GT-S
2:27.430 - 418 - 2000 Renault Sport Clio V6 24V
2:27.479 - 440 - 1989 Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX Twin Turbo 2seater (Z32)
2:27.484 - 456 - 2005 Chrysler 300C
2:27.517 - 472 - 1990 Lotus Carlton
2:27.583 - 466 - 2000 Mercedes-Benz CLK 55 AMG
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2:27.654 - 434 - 2007 Audi TT Coupe 3.2 Quattro
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2:29.398 - 424 - 2003 Audi A3 3.2 Quattro
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2:29.462 - 435 - 2000 Toyota Aristo V300
2:29.486 - 423 - 2003 Volkswagen Golf IV R32
2:29.496 - 420 - 2003 BMW Z4
2:29.597 - 426 - 2003 Infiniti G35 Sedan
2:29.688 - 421 - 2003 Honda Accord Coupe EX
2:29.694 - 403 - 2011 Renault Sport Clio R.S.
2:29.713 - 439 - 2005 Mazda Mazdaspeed Atenza
2:29.728 - 410 - 1991 Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5 - 16 Evolution II
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2:29.835 - 424 - 1998 Toyota Celica GT-Four (ST205)
2:29.859 - 414 - 1993 Nissan Silvia K's Aero (S14)
2:29.892 - 431 - 1994 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II GSR
2:29.896 - 395 - 1999 Hommell Berlinette R/S Coupe
2:29.924 - 451 - 1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS
2:29.983 - 426 - 2005 Mazda MX-Crossport
2:29.995 - 406 - 2012 Toyota 86 GT
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2:30.978 - 408 - 1990 Mazda Savanna RX-7 Infini III (FC)
2:30.990 - 442 - 2003 Ford SVT F-150 Lightning
2:31.115 - 400 - 1994 Mitsubishi FTO GPX
2:31.119 - 429 - 1988 Toyota Supra 3.0GT Turbo A
2:31.146 - 405 - 2005 Volkswagen Golf V GTI
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2:31.253 - 414 - 2004 Toyota Tacoma X-Runner
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2:31.452 - 438 - 1998 Mercedes-Benz SL 500 (R129)
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2:31.620 - 421 - 2003 Audi TT Coupe 3.2 Quattro
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2:31.813 - 430 - 1997 Toyota Soarer 2.5GT-T
2:31.816 - 442 - 2007 Ford Mustang V8 GT Coupe Premium
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2:32.088 - 421 - 2003 Volvo S60 T-5 Sport
2:32.096 - 406 - 2002 Audi S3
2:32.103 - 419 - 2003 Acura CL 3.2 Type-S
2:32.168 - 403 - 2001 Acura Integra Type R
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2:32.272 - 396 - 1998 Toyota Altezza RS200
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2:32.402 - 405 - 1997 Toyota MR2 G-Limited
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2:32.452 - 391 - 2007 Mazda Roadster RS (NC)
2:32.544 - 419 - 2003 Subaru Legacy B4 3.0R
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2:32.660 - 395 - 1999 Toyota Celica SS-II (ZZT231)
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2:32.817 - 424 - 1998 Mitsubishi Legnum VR-4 Type V
2:32.937 - 405 - 2001 Lexus IS 300 Sport Cross
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2:33.247 - 415 - 2009 Volvo C30 R-Design
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2:33.491 - 394 - 2003 Peugeot 206 RC
2:33.509 - 397 - 2002 Honda Accord Euro-R
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2:33.656 - 407 - 2010 Peugeot RCZ
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2:34.230 - 389 - 2001 Nissan Primera 20V
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2:34.390 - 394 - 2007 Peugeot 207 GTi
2:34.390 - 386 - 2003 Ford Focus ST170
2:34.407 - 408 - 1989 Mitsubishi Galant 2.0 DOHC Turbo VR-4
2:34.410 - 390 - 2011 Mini Cooper S Countryman (R60)
2:34.432 - 382 - 1994 Mitsubishi FTO GR
2:34.494 - 401 - 2001 Alfa Romeo GTV 3.0 V6 24V
2:34.529 - 387 - 1998 Toyota Sprinter Trueno BZ-R
2:34.586 - 383 - 2001 Hyundai Tiburon GT
2:34.653 - 400 - 1998 Honda Prelude Type S
2:34.654 - 384 - 2009 Alfa Romeo MiTo 1.4 T Sport
2:34.717 - 408 - 2002 Mitsubishi Airtrek Turbo-R
2:34.750 - 378 - 2003 MG TF160
2:34.763 - 380 - 1992 Honda Civic SiR-II (EG)
2:34.781 - 391 - 2005 Mini Cooper S
2:34.797 - 398 - 1997 Toyota Celica SS-II (ST202)
2:34.838 - 371 - 1997 MG MGF
2:34.883 - 432 - 2004 Land Rover Range Stormer
2:34.917 - 399 - 1982 Audi Quattro
2:34.935 - 407 - 1998 Ford Taurus SHO
2:34.982 - 399 - 2002 Pontiac Sunfire GXP Concept
2:35.100 - 409 - 2006 Alfa Romeo Brera Sky Window 3.2 JTS Q4
2:35.105 - 395 - 2007 Mini Cooper S
2:35.330 - 387 - 2003 Mazda Axela 23S
2:35.425 - 396 - 2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0i V6 24V
2:35.527 - 381 - 1999 Nissan Silvia Spec-S Aero (S15)
2:35.532 - 375 - Spoon CR-Z
2:35.592 - 402 - 1954 Mercedes-Benz 300 SL Coupe
2:35.628 - 387 - 1998 Alfa Romeo 156 2.5 V6 24V
2:35.766 - 372 - 1999 Hyundai Tiburon Turbulence
2:35.774 - 385 - 2005 Citroën C4 Coupe 2.0VTS
2:35.920 - 378 - 1971 Nissan 240ZG (HS30)
2:35.925 - 399 - 2003 Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder GTS
2:35.961 - 382 - 2003 Mazda Atenza Sports 23Z
2:35.984 - 378 - 1992 Honda CR-X del Sol SiR
2:35.997 - 398 - 1995 Mitsubishi GTO SR
2:36.189 - 387 - 2002 Toyota Corolla Runx Z Aerotourer
2:36.287 - 387 - 1973 BMW 2002 Turbo
2:36.296 - 376 - 2003 Pontiac Vibe GT
2:36.385 - 380 - 1991 Nissan Skyline GTS25 Type S (R32)
2:36.464 - 400 - 1991 Lancia Delta HF Integrale Evoluzione
2:36.573 - 375 - 2007 Mazda Atenza Sport 25Z
2:36.598 - 383 - 2002 Toyota Vitz RS Turbo
2:36.789 - 371 - 1998 Mazda Roadster 1.8 RS (NB)
2:36.862 - 392 - 2003 Citroën C5 V6 Exclusive
2:36.867 - 388 - 2004 BMW 120d
2:36.915 - 371 - 1986 Toyota MR2 1600 G-Limited Super Charger
2:37.010 - 375 - 1968 Nissan Fairlady 2000 (SR311)
2:37.105 - 394 - 2003 Opel Vectra 3.2 V6
2:37.134 - 373 - 1967 Toyota 2000GT
2:37.325 - 388 - 1986 Toyota Celica 2000GT-Four (ST165)
2:37.447 - 379 - 1986 Toyota Celica 2000GTR (ST162)
2:37.678 - 381 - 1993 Mazda Lantis Coupe 2000 Type R
2:37.681 - 389 - 1998 Peugeot 406 Coupe 3.0 V6
2:37.789 - 372 - 1993 Nissan Silvia Q's Aero (S14)
2:37.853 - 369 - 1999 Peugeot 206 S16
2:37.908 - 371 - 2000 Nissan Silvia Varietta (S15)
2:38.098 - 368 - 2004 BMW 120i
2:38.313 - 362 - 1997 Mazda MX-5 SR-Limited (NA, J)
2:38.359 - 360 - 1993 Mazda Eunos Roadster V-Special Type II (NA)
2:38.398 - 360 - 1995 Mazda Eunos Roadster VR-Limited (NA)
2:38.488 - 369 - 1991 Toyota Celica GT-R (ST183, 4WS)
2:38.513 - 365 - 2000 Renault Megane 2.0 IDE Coupe
2:38.548 - 368 - 1990 Nissan Primera 2.0Te
2:38.571 - 367 - 1998 Toyota Altezza AS200
2:38.577 - 371 - 2009 Abarth 500
2:38.586 - 375 - 2002 Mazda Familia Sedan Sport 20
2:38.660 - 366 - 2002 Alfa Romeo 147 2.0 Twin Spark
2:38.672 - 376 - 2009 Abarth Grande Punto
2:38.673 - 414 - 2003 Chevrolet SSR
2:38.684 - 358 - 1989 Mazda Eunos Roadster (NA Special Package)
2:38.722 - 370 - 1973 Nissan Skyline 2000GT-R (KPGC110)
2:38.728 - 384 - 2001 Volkswagen Bora V6 4Motion
2:38.730 - 360 - 1995 Mazda MX-5 S-Special Type I (NA, J)
2:38.820 - 360 - 1995 Mazda Eunos Roadster S-Special Type I (NA)
2:38.892 - 360 - 1993 Mazda Eunos Roadster J-Limited II (NA)
2:38.937 - 361 - 1995 Mazda MX-5 VR-Limited (NA, J)
2:38.944 - 361 - 1993 Mazda MX-5 V-Special Type II (NA, J)
2:39.017 - 357 - 2009 Toyota Prius G
2:39.133 - 360 - 1997 Mazda Eunos Roadster SR-Limited (NA)
2:39.164 - 379 - 1981 Toyota Celica XX 2800GT
2:39.271 - 356 - 2010 Honda CR-Z
2:39.273 - 357 - 2003 Peugeot 106 S16
2:39.341 - 362 - 1991 Nissan Silvia Q's (S13)
2:39.379 - 368 - 1997 Toyota Starlet Glanza V
2:39.397 - 388 - 2001 Toyota WiLL VS
2:39.508 - 361 - 2001 Peugeot 206 CC
2:39.608 - 372 - 1970 Nissan Skyline Hard Top 2000GT-R (KPGC10)
2:39.701 - 359 - 1988 Nissan Silvia Q's (S13)
2:39.712 - 377 - 1983 Mitsubishi Lancer EX 1800GSR IC Turbo
2:39.767 - 356 - 1968 Mazda Cosmo Sport (L10B)
2:39.826 - 359 - 1983 Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex (AE86)
2:39.979 - 364 - 1978 Nissan Fairlady Z 280Z-L 2seater (S130)
2:40.054 - 347 - 2001 Volkswagen Lupo GTI
2:40.205 - 353 - 1986 Toyota MR2 1600 G
2:40.206 - 365 - 1990 Infiniti G20
2:40.393 - 362 - 2001 Volkswagen Golf IV GTI
2:40.463 - 352 - 2004 Peugeot 307 XSi
2:40.497 - 362 - 1957 BMW 507
2:40.498 - 383 - 2000 Citroën Xantia 3.0i V6 Exclusive
2:40.517 - 359 - 1973 Alpine A310 1600VE
2:40.623 - 354 - 2000 Fiat Barchetta Giovane Due
2:40.661 - 357 - 2006 Alfa Romeo 147 TI 2.0 Twin Spark
2:40.673 - 379 - 1965 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600
2:40.820 - 357 - 2004 Mazda Roadster 1600 NR-A (NB)
2:40.992 - 361 - 2003 Spoon Fit Race Car
2:41.042 - 352 - 1991 Mazda MX-5 J-Limited (NA, J)
2:41.162 - 351 - 1991 Mazda Eunos Roadster J-Limited (NA)
2:41.279 - 375 - 2002 Renault Avantime
2:41.339 - 398 - 1962 Lotus Elan S1
2:41.362 - 347 - 2010 Mazda Demio Sport
2:41.396 - 350 - 2007 Suzuki Swift Sport
2:41.496 - 359 - 1976 Volkswagen Golf I GTI
2:41.700 - 352 - 1997 Eagle Talon Esi
2:41.727 - 350 - 2010 Honda Fit RS
2:42.104 - 363 - 1983 Honda Ballade Sports CR-X 1.5i
2:42.203 - 348 - 2003 Peugeot 106 Rallye
2:42.414 - 381 - 1983 Honda City Turbo II
2:42.491 - 356 - 2000 Chrysler PT Cruiser
2:42.581 - 341 - 1992 Toyota Sera
2:42.581 - 375 - 1968 Lotus Europa S.2
2:42.670 - 339 - 1988 Nissan Exa Canopy L.A. Version Type S
2:42.766 - 344 - 1966 Renault R8 Gordini
2:42.852 - 341 - 1967 Mazda Cosmo Sport (L10A)
2:42.853 - 342 - 1968 Isuzu 117Coupe
2:43.148 - 343 - 2002 Mini Cooper
2:43.305 - 349 - 2000 Fiat Punto HGT Abarth
2:43.551 - 363 - 2000 Daihatsu Storia X4
2:43.571 - 348 - 1970 Toyota Celica 1600GT (TA22)
2:43.573 - 355 - 2003 Renault Megane 2.0 16V
2:43.606 - 358 - 1974 Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 GSR
2:43.874 - 348 - 2004 Peugeot 307 CC Premium AVN
2:43.897 - 334 - 1999 Opel Tigra 1.6i
2:43.921 - 344 - 2001 Volkswagen Polo GTI
2:44.373 - 344 - 2007 Nissan March 12SR
2:44.408 - 342 - 2000 Toyota Vitz RS 1.5
2:44.544 - 338 - 1963 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Speciale
2:44.548 - 347 - 1969 Isuzu Bellett 1600 GT-R
2:44.683 - 341 - 2003 Mazda Demio Sport
2:44.771 - 337 - 2011 Toyota Aqua S
2:45.115 - 351 - 1970 Mitsubishi Galant GTO MR
2:45.190 - 338 - 1981 Isuzu Piazza XE
2:45.368 - 340 - 1989 Toyota Carina ED 2.0 X 4WS
2:45.421 - 330 - 2000 Volkswagen New Beetle 2.0
2:45.598 - 349 - 1983 Honda Civic 1500 3door 25i
2:45.661 - 331 - 2002 Citroën C3 1.6
2:45.728 - 340 - 1970 Honda 1300 Coupe 9 S
2:45.811 - 384 - 1970 Marcos Mini Marcos GT
2:45.824 - 358 - 1954 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible (C1)
2:46.023 - 340 - 1988 Honda Accord Coupe
2:46.254 - 346 - 1967 Nissan Skyline 2000GT-B (S54B)
2:46.406 - 328 - 2001 Honda Fit W
2:46.591 - 338 - 1966 Alfa Romeo Spider 1600 Duetto
2:46.672 - 331 - 2002 Volkswagen Lupo1.4
2:46.710 - 332 - 2007 Toyota Vitz RS 1.5
2:46.720 - 328 - 2009 Honda Insight LS
2:47.224 - 333 - 2003 Citroën Xsara VTR
2:47.249 - 327 - 2012 Toyota Vitz F
2:47.640 - 341 - 2002 Toyota Voltz S
2:47.914 - 327 - 1979 Nissan Bluebird Hardtop 1800SSS (910)
2:47.987 - 338 - 2003 Honda Element
2:48.001 - 323 - 2002 Mitsubishi Colt 1.5 Sport X Version
2:48.197 - 331 - 2004 Hyundai Click Type-R
2:48.902 - 326 - 1999 Mazda Demio GL-X
2:48.978 - 333 - 2003 Scion xA
2:49.090 - 329 - 2000 Toyota Vitz U Euro Sport Edition
2:49.317 - 328 - 2003 Nissan March 12c 5door
2:49.396 - 340 - 1979 Honda Civic 1500 3door CX
2:49.825 - 342 - 2003 Honda Odyssey
2:50.298 - 339 - 1995 Suzuki Cappuccino (EA21R)
2:50.316 - 317 - 1965 Nissan Silvia (CSP311)
2:50.668 - 321 - 1998 Mercedes-Benz A 160 Avantgarde
2:50.764 - 313 - 2001 Opel Corsa Comfort 1.4
2:51.439 - 320 - 1969 Nissan Bluebird 1600 Deluxe (510)
2:52.000 - 317 - 1999 Honda Insight
2:52.352 - 326 - 1991 Suzuki Cappuccino (EA11R)
2:52.411 - 317 - 1999 Nissan March G#
2:52.453 - 313 - 2007 Daihatsu OFC-1
2:52.854 - 324 - 2003 Scion xB
2:52.965 - 303 - 2002 Audi A2 1.4
2:53.042 - 317 - 2002 Daihatsu Copen Detachable Top
2:53.089 - 315 - 2002 Mini ONE
2:53.152 - 286 - 2002 Toyota Prius G (J)
2:53.329 - 333 - 1978 Mitsubishi Mirage 1400GLX
2:53.874 - 333 - 1979 Autobianchi A112 Abarth
2:54.019 - 305 - 1991 Honda Beat
2:54.052 - 319 - 1974 Triumph Spitfire 1500
2:54.469 - 328 - 1997 Daihatsu Mira TR-XX Avanzato R
2:55.674 - 305 - 1999 Toyota Vitz F
2:55.852 - 318 - 1966 Honda S800
2:56.177 - 333 - 1989 Mitsubishi Minica Dangan ZZ
2:56.489 - 506 - Gran Turismo Red Bull Racing Kart 125
2:56.602 - 318 - 1998 Mini Cooper 1.3i
2:57.319 - 334 - 2011 Nissan Leaf G
2:58.272 - 319 - 1992 Mazda Autozam AZ-1
2:58.493 - 312 - 2002 Nissan Cube EX (FF/CVT)
2:58.628 - 306 - 2007 Suzuki Cervo SR
2:59.144 - 313 - 1997 Daihatsu Move SR-XX 2WD
2:59.978 - 287 - 2008 Fiat 500 1.2 8V Lounge SS
3:01.240 - 300 - 1998 Nissan Cube X
3:01.465 - 314 - 1988 Volvo 240 GLT Estate
3:02.142 - 286 - 1998 Daihatsu Storia CX 2WD
3:03.149 - 308 - 1987 Nissan Be-1
3:03.362 - 285 - 2003 Toyota Prius G Touring Selection (J)
3:03.782 - 277 - 2001 Ford Ka
3:04.036 - 286 - 1963 Nissan Skyline 1500Deluxe (S50D-1)
3:04.114 - 299 - 1998 Suzuki Wagon R RR
3:05.758 - 291 - 1964 Honda S600
3:06.139 - 309 - 1965 Toyota Sports 800
3:06.407 - 289 - 2002 Daihatsu Move Custom RS Limited
3:06.562 - 277 - 1998 Daihatsu Storia CX 4WD
3:06.976 - 290 - 1989 Nissan Pao
3:08.027 - 290 - 1995 Daihatsu Move CX
3:09.575 - 290 - 2002 Suzuki Alto Lapin Turbo
3:10.083 - 274 - 1963 Honda S500
3:11.296 - 262 - 1968 Volkswagen Karmann Ghia Coupe (Type-I)
3:12.461 - 296 - 2009 Mitsubishi I-MiEV
3:12.716 - 277 - 1990 Fiat Panda Super i.e.
3:21.638 - 272 - 1985 Honda Today G
3:25.031 - 279 - 1998 Daihatsu Midget II D Type
3:25.825 - 248 - 1966 Volkswagen 1200
3:26.044 - 275 - 1970 Honda Z ACT
3:27.004 - 280 - 1967 Honda N360
3:38.477 - 226 - 1949 Volkswagen Beetle 1100 Standard (Type-11)
3:45.625 - 246 - 1972 Honda Life Step Van
3:47.852 - 209 - 1962 Volkswagen Sambabus Typ 2 (T1)
3:51.473 - 221 - 1972 Fiat 500 R
3:53.664 - 216 - 1962 Mazda Carol 360 Deluxe
3:58.776 - 223 - 1968 Fiat 500 F
4:18.947 - 206 - 1942 Volkswagen Schwimmwagen Typ 166
4:19.566 - 209 - 1954 Citroën 2CV Type A
4:19.959 - 227 - 1944 Volkswagen Kubelwagen Typ 82
4:34.964 - 241 - 1958 Subaru 360
This has about every non race car tested.
 
If so many other people have done the same thing as I have, well I personally wouldn't have an issue with them posting threads comparing certain cars or one thread comparing all 600+ cars in the game. I can think of lots of threads "clogging up the main forum" that don't offer anything.

I'll stop posting individual comparison threads though, if that's the consensus among the majority here. I really enjoy doing these, but if it's pissing people off then I don't need to do it.

The one thread of mine that @MOPARbarrett5 quoted is enough. People can infer whatever comparisons they want to make from there.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/ultimate-list-of-suzuka-lap-times-for-over-600-cars.314470/
 
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If so many other people have done the same thing as I have, well I personally wouldn't have an issue with them posting threads comparing certain cars or one thread comparing all 600+ cars in the game. I can think of lots of threads "clogging up the main forum" that don't offer anything.

I'll stop posting individual comparison threads though, if that's the consensus among the majority here. I really enjoy doing these, but if it's pissing people off then I don't need to do it.

The one thread of mine that @MOPARbarrett5 quoted is enough. People can infer whatever comparisons they want to make from there.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/ultimate-list-of-suzuka-lap-times-for-over-600-cars.314470/


I'm just a lurker, but I just have to let you know I enjoy all of your threads, including individual comparisons. Don't let that that guy ruin a good thing. Keep it up!
 
I'll stop posting individual comparison threads though, if that's the consensus among the majority here. I really enjoy doing these, but if it's pissing people off then I don't need to do it.

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I sincerely hope you do NOT stop posting your individual comparison threads. No one is forced to click on a thread from you - they should certainly know by now that if your thread title is <Car> vs <Car> it's going to be a comparison review and video. Firstly, I don't understand how they couldn't enjoy reading/seeing such a comparison. Secondly, if they dislike those threads that much all they have to do is skip it altogether!
 
Add me to the list of not minding the individual threads either. If you want to stay to the main one though, I suppose you could update the title with the newest comparisons.

I used the Voltz a number of times back in GT5 in 400-425pp rooms, it was actually pretty good, it had better acceleration than a lot of cars tuned to the same PP. It had low torque figures, but that meant due to the way the PP system works, you could compensate with a lot more horsepower.
 
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