Problem with wheel drifting

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Norway
Trondheim
quattroa618
Hello everybody :)

I have a problem when drifting with my G27 and hope somone can help me with a advice.

The problem is that when I enter a turn ( I practis on Tsukuba. Take the long right turn as an example) and start to countersteer the car goes to wide to the right.
Usually my car end up in a 90* angle and slide like this until it comes to a complete stop.:ouch:

I have tried full throttle, half trottle, fethering the trottle, small countersteer and full countersteer and I stil end up whit the same result.

What do you guys think? Is it the driving style or the tuning?
Any advice for what I do wrong?
 
What car are you using? What are the specs and the tune? What are you doing with the pedals on entry? Feint drift, power-over, or clutch kick?
 
im having the same problem! I just cant seem to get the hang of it lol, but with a awd i cant drift to my hearts content
 
What car are you using? What are the specs and the tune? What are you doing with the pedals on entry? Feint drift, power-over, or clutch kick?

Thanks for quick reply :)
I use a Silvia S13 and the tune from Twinturbo:
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Nissan Silvia s13.
Power: Just under 390hp with an oil change


Parts to buy:
Everything except rigity improvement! For beginners start with a low rev turbo setup but for the advanced use the high rev turbo!


Settings:

Ride height: -10 front and rear
Spring rate: 6.0fr 5.2rr
Damper bound: fr5 rr5
Damper rebound: fr5 rr5
ARB: fr2 rr3
Camber:fr3.0 r0.5
Toe: fr0.0 rr0.2

Diff: all settings to 60

Brake ballance: 2/9

TCS: 0
ASM: 0

Downforce: N/A

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When i enter a turn I go a bit slower then I have to ( 100 - 115 kmt on the long turn at Tsusuba. ) and give full throttle while turning right. When the car loses grip i ease the throttle and countersteer. I then give more throttle to keep the wheels spin.
Then the car usually slide nice for 2 - 3 sec before it go way to wide and stops:ouch:
 
Add me, we will drift together a bit. TT's tune is good, (ofcourse it is), but I prefer a lot of positive toe in the front, might help you as well. :)

(Add me via PSN id on the left <==)
 
Add me, we will drift together a bit. TT's tune is good, (ofcourse it is), but I prefer a lot of positive toe in the front, might help you as well. :)

(Add me via PSN id on the left <==)

Hi.

I will add you. Thanks :)
Will also try the positive toe in front. Any sugestions or exaplels on withs numbers to use?
 
All diff settings to 60 is far from my opinion of good drift setup try 5,60,55

Thanks for that :) Looks like this is a great forum with helpful people :)
Will try the LCD setting when I get home.

I appreciate any suggestions to why the car keep sliding so wide:tup:
 
The car probably does the wrong thing because you do ^^ No offence meant, at all btw!
For front toe, I basically use .25 to .40, depending on the car and weight of it.
 
The car probably does the wrong thing because you do ^^ No offence meant, at all btw!
For front toe, I basically use .25 to .40, depending on the car and weight of it.

Non taken :)

Is it someone that have a alternative setup for this car and are using a wheel?
 
All diff settings to 60 is far from my opinion of good drift setup try 5,60,55

In most cases I would have to agree with you about the diff settings. However, with TT's S13 tune, and his FC tune, the solid rear end works quite well. To me, it makes the car very stable and predictable. It may not be the ideal setup for getting the absolute highest performance out of the car, but it's a very good setup for learning on IMHO.
 
We don't know the tires you used mate. Only CM or CS are nice for this power. If you had SH or better it was pretty normal to halt you from continuous drifting.
 
Thanks for quick reply :)
I use a Silvia S13 and the tune from Twinturbo:
---------------------------------------------
Nissan Silvia s13.
Power: Just under 390hp with an oil change

Parts to buy:
Everything except rigity improvement! For beginners start with a low rev turbo setup but for the advanced use the high rev turbo!

Settings:

Ride height: -10 front and rear
Spring rate: 6.0fr 5.2rr
Damper bound: fr5 rr5
Damper rebound: fr5 rr5
ARB: fr2 rr3
Camber:fr3.0 r0.5
Toe: fr0.0 rr0.2

Diff: all settings to 60

Try making the rear lower then the rear and make the rear stiffer with a little bit more toe at the rear.make the LSD lower too because you would get tons of understeer with those LSD settings.

Use this as a example

lsd
initi torque 37
acceleration sensitivity 52
braking sensitivity 24


suspension
ride height -10/-25 camber 2.0/4.9
spring rate 8.0/14.5 toe angle 0.00/0.73
damper extension 3/8
damper compression 2/9
antiroll bars 4/7
 
Try making the rear lower then the rear and make the rear stiffer with a little bit more toe at the rear.make the LSD lower too because you would get tons of understeer with those LSD settings.

Use this as a example

lsd
initi torque 37
acceleration sensitivity 52
braking sensitivity 24


suspension
ride height -10/-25 camber 2.0/4.9
spring rate 8.0/14.5 toe angle 0.00/0.73
damper extension 3/8
damper compression 2/9
antiroll bars 4/7

Before, I stated I meant no offense, now I leave that out on purpose.
The setup he is using, has been made by a professional drifting instructor. And you think you know better, changing things around when even I, with average and actually negligible drifting experience compared to that person, can see that what you're changing is horrible?

Ride height difference is not needed, Insane amount of rear camber isn't needed. Your toe angles make no sense. The only 2 positive thins are the spring and damper rates.
 
We don't know the tires you used mate. Only CM or CS are nice for this power. If you had SH or better it was pretty normal to halt you from continuous drifting.

Hi

I use CH.
Have read many posts on this forum and concluded that this is the way to go.
 
you get too much angle for the car to continue drifting... control the angle before you get on full throttle

Which basically is only done by correcting the oversteer before it actually happens. If it happens, you're already to late. :) Anticipation for the win ^^
 
Drift_Monkey
you get too much angle for the car to continue drifting... control the angle before you get on full throttle
Which basically is only done by correcting the oversteer before it actually happens. If it happens, you're already to late. :) Anticipation for the win ^^

Well said. You just need practice, there is nothing else to say. Just try driving the car until you can maintain grip and slowly kick the a$$ end out once you're comfortable. Im usually a "run before you can walk" person, but, drifting is different. First learn how to brush against the limits and then exceed them. Goodluck. Add me if you'd like to practice. :D
 
I just threw my self at corners until I worked out how to drift round them. High speed ring s bend is perfect for learning to drift and transition. Like they said above its all about practice.
 
I just threw my self at corners until I worked out how to drift round them. High speed ring s bend is perfect for learning to drift and transition. Like they said above its all about practice.

100% agreed. To learn, and NEVER go back :D Gosh that course brings back bad memories lol!
 
Try making the rear lower then the rear and make the rear stiffer with a little bit more toe at the rear.make the LSD lower too because you would get tons of understeer with those LSD settings.

Use this as a example

lsd
initi torque 37
acceleration sensitivity 52
braking sensitivity 24


suspension
ride height -10/-25 camber 2.0/4.9
spring rate 8.0/14.5 toe angle 0.00/0.73
damper extension 3/8
damper compression 2/9
antiroll bars 4/7

If that's your S13 setup, and it works for you, that's great. But after having a very quick look at your numbers, a lot of them seem quite off compared to a traditional setup.

IMO, both the PS13 and the FC RX7, combined with TwinTurbo's setups, are the two best cars to learn in. They're not the fastest, don't get the most angle, don't transition the hardest, but they're the perfect place to start. And not only are they good cars/setups to learn how to drift with, they are good starting points to start learning how to tune for drifting.

Now, as far as your setup goes, compared to TT's:

Diff - TT's diff is set to 60/60/60 for a reason. Combined with the stage three turbo (which again, is something most experienced drifters don't use...most to with stage 2, as it offers the most torque), causes the car to respond to driver inputs in a rather slow, but stable and predictable manner, making it ideal for learning in. Once the driver is more comfortable with initiating, maintaining, and transitioning drifts, they can start adjusting the diff to their personal preferences.

Suspension - overall, I would say your suspension settings are much to stiff for how light the car is. Also, very stiff suspension (especially rear) induces oversteer, which can be difficult for beginners to become accustomed to.

Ride hight - having the rear lower than the front can help control excessive oversteer, and make the car feel more planted mid corner (in GT5, not sure about RL). However, the difference in your ride hights (-10, -25) seems a bit extreme to me. Perhaps you are using these ride hight settings to help compensate for the oversteer caused by your stiff spring rates? Also, I always try to avoid having either of my ride hights as low as possible. Keeping the hight even 2 or 3 clicks off of the lowest setting will help the car navigate bumps and uneven road surfaces much better (Deep Forest and Trial Mtn come to mind).

Sprig Rates - your front SR seems pretty good. The rear, however, is way to stiff. The S13s in GT5 are already tail happy as it is, and having the rear SR so stiff only increase this behavior. I would suggest having it around 8 to start with.

Dampers - no offense, but these damper settings make no sense to me. Again, you have the rear much too stiff. I have discovered through trial and error, along with advice from some of the tuning guru's on NEMESIS, that adjusting dampers actually has very little effect on drift performance. For someone who is just learning, having all damper settings set to 5 or 6 works just fine. Adjusting dampers really only makes a difference once the driver is very familiar with the car. And adjustements to the dampers really only make a noticeable difference in how aggressively the car transitions.

Anti Roll Bars - again, these seem much too stiff for my liking. And having the rear stiffer than the front helps induce oversteer...again, something the S13 doesn't need IMO.

Camber - sorry, but your camber settings are whack. There should always be more camber in the front than the rear. Most people tend to run 2 to 4 degrees up front, and 0 to 1 degree in the rear. Excessive rear camber really reduces rear grip, which again, causes excessive oversteer, and just makes the car slow.

Toe - again, this makes no sense to me. If I had to guess, I would say you are using the +0.73 toe in the rear to help compensate for the excessive oversteer cause by your stiff setup. Toe is a very tricky aspect to tune, and really comes down to personal preference. I would suggest anyone curious about toe to have a look at the thread about toe...sry I'm on my phone and too lazy to provide a link...but the thread is here somewhere on the first two pages.


It has been said on these forums over and over again, but I'll repeat...when it comes to tuning for drift, there is no substitute for creating your own tunes. It's a steep learning curve, and there is a lot of info to wrap your head around, but in the long run, it's the best way to go. This is why I feel so strongly that TT's S13 and FC tunes are the best place to start....they offer stable platforms on which to learn how to drift, and offer a good point from which to start building your own tunes.

@ OP...Sorry for getting long winded...have some downtime at work and I'm bored lol. Gonales (aka Dom) is a very good drifter who will definitely get you pinged in the right direction. The only other advice I can offer you is to try to absorb as much info as you can...read everything you can find on GTP about drifting and tuning for drifting, don't hesitate to ask questions (for the most part, we're all pretty friendly :)), and practice practice practice.

Good luck man, hope to see you on track one day
 
In my experience, drifting on a wheel is just practice, practice and more practice until you can pre-empt how much you need to counter and be confident with the throttle. (as someone said before)

Personally i'd grab a car that can drift a little on stock settings, give it a little bit more power and maybe a lsd (leave it as is tho) and hit the track and start small, powerslides and such. This way you know that its more of less you thats making a mistake and not the car when it all hits the fan. This will help you identify what YOUR doing wrong (not what the CAR did wrong) and improve on it where needed. this should make it easier to learn. (This is what I did in the S.S. Truneo when I first got my wheel and it worked for me.)

Moral of the story is practice makes better.
Thomas Edison didn't fail to make a light bulb 101 times, he found 101 ways how not to make a light bulb.
 
Drifting with a wheel is hard, I praciticed for weeks now and i still can't do it like i could. Maybe we can drift togheter some time ? psn : mert255 :)
 
Hello and merry christmas :)

Thank you all so much for the feedback.
I have now read page after page whit tips on how to drift tune.

I bought the TVR ( cant remember the name ) 2000 mod and started from scratch.

Started whit just stage 3 weight reduction and sport ECU.
Then I tried to tune one part after another.
After each and every modification i drove one lap at Tsukuba.

Finaly I have a car whit a tune that fits me.

So my tips to others that just cant get the hang of the drifting is to read much about drift tuning and start with a car from scratch.
Then modify the pars one after another.

I`m a complete(!!) noob on both drifting and tuning, but now I finaly feel some progress.
Before I got about 6000 points on Tsukuba but now the record is 13 200 :)
I know thats pretty bad, but at least it shows im getting somewere 👍

It`s true what people are saying. You have to find a tune that fits your driving style.


Have a happy new year everybody :) :sly:
 
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