Prodrive P2 Supercars, Rallycars, Now and Never Roadcars

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(some information on the car has previously been posted, i am only going farther in depth)

This past sunday's Top Gear featured an amazing car. The Prodrive P2. Prodrive is the company behind the aston martin enduro car (green thing with lime nose) the subaru rally team, as well as previously the honda f1 team. so to say the least they know a thing or two when it comes to cars and making them go quick. but just how quick?

well slightly slower than a koenigsegg. yep, thats fast. really fast. oh and not to mention what makes it so fast. because what is really amazing is that it has a huge turbo and a relativly small engine. what happens there of course is turbo lag. so the p2 has an anti turbo lag system

"a normal turbo works by using the exhaust fumes exiting the engine to spin a little sort of propeller thing that drives another little propeller thing in the engine air intake which then spins round very fast and forces more oxygen into the engine. but, at low revs there aren't enough exhaust fumes to drive the little propellers and give the engine its oxygen boost. so, you press the accelerator and have to wait a second or more until there are enough fumes to get the turbo propellers spinning, at which point you go from no power to lots of power. this moment of delay is called turbo lag"

the engine it uses is from an impreza, but it has a much bigger turbo. giving you 345hp, top speed 174mph.

but how does the anti-lag system work?

"the prodrive anti-lag system works by keeping the little propellers spinning and forcing lots of lovely oxygen into the engine even when there aren't enough exhaust fumes to turn them normally. and it does this by dumping petrol into the exhaust, just before the little propeller. As soon as the petrol touches the very hot exhaust pipe it explodes and this explosion keeps the propeller turning so when you step on the accelerator there's no irritating wait for it to for it to get spinning and instead you have an instant dollop of big fat power. or something like that."

also the car turns much better due to an active dif. this allows the car to make tighter, faster turns. and this is how it works...

"The middle one controls what proportion of the torques from the engine go to the back wheels and what proportion go to the fronts. And the diff at the back does the same, splitting the torques between the rear wheels. They're both controlled by a very clever computer that has a speed sensor, a steering angle sensor and something called a 'yaw sensor' which sort of measures the line that the car is taking through a corner. This is very important. If the computer looks at your steering angle and then the yaw sensor tells it the car is turning through the corner less sharply than it should be for that amount of steering lock it thinks, 'uh-oh, that's understeer'. Then it telegraphs the centre differential and tells it to make sure more torques are going to the back axle so that the front stops dragging the car wide, like a front wheel drive car would. But then, as the car leaves the corner it tells the centre diff to push more torques forward to pull the car out of the turn without oversteering like a rear wheel drive car would. Hmm, yes, that sounds about right. Ah, and the active rear diff helps you out in sudden changes of direction so that if the car is looking like it might spin, the computer can step in and push torques to one wheel to push the rear of the car back on line. And all this computer thinking and moving of torques can happen in milliseconds. It's very clever. It's also made my brain hurt."

there you go, and now i leave you with pics.









 
Who isn't a Prodrive fan, what isn't there to like about Prodrive.
 
Amazing bit of kit. If only it looked more like a Subaru, I can only see a slight similarity.

Those big performance numbers from a relatively small engine shows what Prodrive can do.

Finally...... I WANT ONE! NOW!
 
No, they're second being beaten only by the Maserati MC12's which are only in the series because the other teams were okay with it since their car doesn't fit the regualtions.
 
MC12...and those nice Corvette C6Rs...don't forget those.

everyone forgets the American Endurance racers.
 
live4speed
No, they're second being beaten only by the Maserati MC12's which are only in the series because the other teams were okay with it since their car doesn't fit the regualtions.

The Z06 is spanking the DBR9 and pro drive dont seem to be showing any signs of catching up with them.
 
Well, the 007 and 009 Aston Martins topped the GT1 timesheets during yesterday's Le Mans Test Day. But then again, that was only test day.

I have a feeling that Pro Drive's performance in the ALMS is due to the Pirellis. Corvette runs on Michelins and they're just unstoppable. Aston Martin Racing will be using Michelins at Le Mans though.
 
Poverty
The Z06 is spanking the DBR9 and pro drive dont seem to be showing any signs of catching up with them.
In what, certainly not the European or British FIA championships, and since you didn't specify I decided not to either but now I've hopefully got the point across. You do realise that theres a hell of a lot more the GT racing than the ALMS don't you? I'm guessing thats all you know about the ALMS, which is a great series but it's not the only series, or the only racing organisation that counts. The ALMS is however, the ONLY series where the ZO6-R's are winning, I'm not knocking the ZO6-R's because they are superb, I'm just pointing out a fact, it's rare to get several different series where the same car's always dominate, the truth is a lot of the results rest on the drivers skill wit that car.

I think you only know about that series because all you know about it comes from this site which is a site dominated by American users, hence the ALMS gets more mentions than other series which is understandable. Combine that with the fact that different series have different time tables and you can hear nothing about one and lots about the other.
 
True but the only series I can think of a factory backed Z06-R racing in is ALMS. ALMS is the best thing out there after Le Mans which im sure aston doesnt enjoy getting beat out by a 70k car
 
The C6-R' (sorry I was calling them ZO6-R's before which is a different race car altogether) race in a good number of different series, including the biggest series' in Europe, and they don't win any of them, to base a car on it's performance in a single racing series is stupid since that car may be a champion in another.
 
Poverty is correct, the only series that has factory-backed Corvette C6.Rs is the American Le Mans Series.

However, FIA GT and Le Mans Series both have C5-Rs and C6-Rs (former factory cars sold to privateers) against privateer DBR9s. So far, I believe the DBR9s have a better record against the Corvettes.
 
live4speed
The C6-R' race in a good number of different series, including the biggest series' in Europe, and they don't win any of them,
Maybe because European mechanics have never seen a pushrod V-8 before :sly:
 
Course we have, not as fast as a certiain inline six engine I can think of though s******. But seriousely my point isn't regarding what cars better, it's that if it's winning in one series but not in another and both are professional series, it's stupid to base how good the car is based on it's performance in either of thoes series.

EDIT: Why is sn1gger being blocked out, surely the system can tell is the ****** part is part of another word or not, that's stupid.
 
That anti tubo lag system isn't a new idea. There was a company in Florida called Turbonique that sold turbochargers that had a fuel injector and two spark plugs to drag racers, and they ran off N-Propyl Nitrate, and they usually had the engine's carburetor mounted on top of them near the fender, and routed the air/fuel mixture/ exhaust from the turbo into the engine. In some cases, the 4 barrel version more than doubled the engine's horsepower.

Neat car.👍
 
On another note, the car. Simply based on the Top Gear power laps board. Against similar cars:

The Prodrive P2 v.

Lancer Evo FQ400 = .5sec faster
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII = 4.6 faster
Subaru Impreza STI = 5.8sec faster

And think about this. It's only .4 sec slower than the normal Koenigsegg, as in the CCR.
 
STLbarcelona5
On another note, the car. Simply based on the Top Gear power laps board. Against similar cars:

The Prodrive P2 v. Lancer Evo FQ400 = .5sec faster
v. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII = 4.6 faster
v. Subaru Impreza STI = 5.8sec faster

And think about this. It's only .4 sec slower than the normal Koenigsegg, as in the CCR.

my error regarding the koenigsegg.
 
I caution everyone against counting out the C6-Rs at this year's Le Mans. Firstly, it's my understanding that their weight penalty isn't going to be as severe there as it is for ALMS. Second, their drivers and pit teams are some of the most professional guys in the sport. Lastly, the Corvettes aren't just running any old Michelins; their tires are an experimental formula that the team had to make a special deal for.
 
live4speed
what isn't there to like about Prodrive.

The fact that they WON'T build the P2. If built I can guarantee people buying it. I'd probably sticker for $100k USD or 60,000 quid. I call that a bargain considering it would be a heavy-weight killer like the ZO6 is.
 
You got me there, that is something not to like :lol:.

Elergy, you certainly won't see me couting out the C6-R's, I just won't count out the DBR9's either both cars seem to be fantastic in various racing series I'll just look forward to the battle that will ensue and hope neithers top runner has any mechanical failures that will leave the other team walking the win.
 
Sorry, it just sounded like some people felt that the car's performance in the European series was more telling of what good it really is than its ALMS performance.
 
Well they shouldn't, which has been my point, not to base how good a car is based on it's perfomance in one race or one series because it can be dramatically different from series to series. It's often the team in and around the car that makes the difference.
 
...The video is on You Tube...



My thoughts:

She is a quick car, and it doesn't look too bad. If it was to ever go into production, I'm sure people (excuse me, younger people) would buy them do to their ties with the Subie STi and the rally craze that it has started in the US...

But of course, I doubt that Prodrive would ever consider selling the car in the United States. It would cost far too much not only to import, but to develop as well. But, I would dare to say that there are enough STi fans here to give the car a fighting chances, especially those who have deep pockets in order to add another street/rally car to the garage.

...Me? Probably not. For the ammount of money I'd presumably be spending on the P2, I think I would rather head to the local BMW, Chevrolet, Jaguar, etc. dealer. That way, I get a car that I know was put together pretty well, I get a warranty, and there is a good ammount of civility to it.

But then again, we will see. No one thought the Atom was going to come to the United States, but they sold out the first few shipments... And from what I understand, they have been having a difficult time meeting the demands of the new American market... Go figure!
 
I wouldnt buy one because it looks like a ford and you can get 400bhp out of a 320hp Evo with just a semi racing exhaust system and a re-chipping.
 
"the prodrive anti-lag system works by keeping the little propellers spinning and forcing lots of lovely oxygen into the engine even when there aren't enough exhaust fumes to turn them normally. and it does this by dumping petrol into the exhaust, just before the little propeller. As soon as the petrol touches the very hot exhaust pipe it explodes and this explosion keeps the propeller turning so when you step on the accelerator there's no irritating wait for it to for it to get spinning and instead you have an instant dollop of big fat power. or something like that."

wouldnt this destroy the turbo's??
 
No, we're not talking nuclear explosions here.

Poverty, I don't know any Ford that looks like the P2 or reminds me of it, but looks are subjective so I won't argue against your opinion, but out of curiosity what Ford does it remind you of?
 
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