Proper weight distribution in GT6?

[S30Z_Guy]

Really annoyed me that they pretty much got lazy in gt5 and put a 60/40 weight distribution on most of the standard cars.

It is a huge disadvantage and inaccuracy no wonder so many of the great old cars handle so poorly.
I mean you can fix it by making them lighter then adding a ballast for the proper weight distribution and you usually come out lighter than stock but still adding on at least 150kg just seems counter productive.

I would even be happy if they did 55/45 just to simplify things because 60/40 is just plain horrible. 55/45 is much more reasonable because you can at least change it to proper without too much more added weight.

Just for example of how off 60/40 is since I know it off the top of my head.
The stock distribution of first gen Z's with the L series engines and a half tank is about 52/48. It is pretty much a front mid mounted engine.
That coupled with a lean weight of 1020kg a straight 6 and fully independent suspension, front discs even has rack and pinion steering. It is a mean machine.

 

[GETEDA]

Yes, and it dont calculate the fuel weight and driver weight... We wait a fix on GT6

 

[S30Z_Guy]

Yes, and it dont calculate the fuel weight and driver weight... We wait a fix on GT6

I know but... 60/40 is pretty extreme

 

[Johnnypenso]

I know but... 60/40 is pretty extreme

Some cars are actually 60/40 in real life or worse. Do you have any specific examples from GT and a link to the appropriate real life car weight distribution?

 

[mustafur]

I think Audis are actually better then there real figures, most are 65/35 but come off as 57/43

But alot of those cars with bad weight distribution really have it.

I know that the Z3 M coupe is a victim to what the OP is talking about though.

No M car would have weight distribution that terrible.

 

[S30Z_Guy]

Some cars are actually 60/40 in real life or worse. Do you have any specific examples from GT and a link to the appropriate real life car weight distribution?

I am sure there are a lot more but off the top of my head I know the AE86, Z's up until the 2nd gen 300zx, some of the rx-7's mostly the FC's, a lot of the skyline standards.
I don't have any links of the actual distributions off hand but I am fairly certain the 86 and the FC's are no where near 60 at the front.

Edit - All rx-7's are supposed to be 50/50 aren't they? Well maybe not the FB. but the FD's and FC's for certain.

http://www.aeu86.org/index/technical-ae86-specifications/cat/9/topic=4815
According to this the 86 is 53/47

 

[Johnnypenso]

I am sure there are a lot more but off the top of my head I know the AE86, Z's up until the 2nd gen 300zx, some of the rx-7's mostly the FC's, a lot of the skyline standards.
I don't have any links of the actual distributions off hand but I am fairly certain the 86 and the FC's are no where near 60 at the front.

Edit - All rx-7's are supposed to be 50/50 aren't they? Well maybe not the FB. but the FD's and FC's for certain.

http://www.aeu86.org/index/technical-ae86-specifications/cat/9/topic=4815
According to this the 86 is 53/47

If the Levin is 60/40 in the game then you've got a case here. Kind of lame on PD's part.

 

[Exorcet]

If the Levin is 60/40 in the game then you've got a case here. Kind of lame on PD's part.

The Saleen S7 is something like 60/40

 

[S30Z_Guy]

If the Levin is 60/40 in the game then you've got a case here. Kind of lame on PD's part.

I don't have a normal 86 atm to make certain. I do have the special one with a de tuned race engine. It is 60/40 so the regular one should be the same... I am fairly certain it is.

Need someone with a regular 86 to confirm.

In any case off to work will check back after.

 

[Sage Ages]

The 180SX and AE86 are 6/4 in game.

The AE86 is actually 53/47 and The 180SX is around 55-45/53-47

 

[Magic Ayrton]

I don't have a normal 86 atm to make certain. I do have the special one with a de tuned race engine. It is 60/40 so the regular one should be the same... I am fairly certain it is.

Need someone with a regular 86 to confirm.

In any case off to work will check back after.

Nice Z ;-)

 

[Tornado]

Some cars are actually 60/40 in real life or worse. Do you have any specific examples from GT and a link to the appropriate real life car weight distribution?

Ruf 3400S is 54/46 which is just as obviously wrong as the Saleen. The 2005 and 2007 Mustangs are both 65:35 (probably why they are both so awful in game) and in real life are 53:47.



Though I honestly wouldn't expect PD to fix any of the messed up cars. They only ever fixed a couple over GT5's entire life.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

And they should finally fix the weights of certain cars, such as certain Volvos, MR2's..

 

[Streeto]

I get the feeling this won't be changed, at least on release day.

 

[S30Z_Guy]

I get the feeling this won't be changed, at least on release day.

I wonder if they are aware of the issue?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

If this isn't fixed then why bother trying to mold this "hyped" revision of the physics engine? I mean it's gets annoying when they tell us it's a real virtual counter part to the T of the real life cars they portray, but continually strays away overall.

 

[TheeFrogmanlego]

How do I check and or fix this?

 

[mustafur]

The 53/47 weight distribution on the MR layout IS350 Wedsport is obviously wrong too, but this is a premium car.

 

[Bluntified]

How do I check and or fix this?

In the weight distribution section of the tuning screen.

 

[shirakawaa]

I also find very annoying that no car in GT5 had correct wheel alignment data (camber, toe). I hope the KW partnership fixed this. They surely would have detailed suspension and wheel data for a lot of cars.

By the way, if GT6 was more realistic, then the weight reduction modification this time would have the drawback of removing more weight on the rear axle than on the front one, or at least this is what should happen on most road legal cars. There's just that more weight that can be usually removed there.

 

[S30Z_Guy]

I also find very annoying that no car in GT5 had correct wheel alignment data (camber, toe). I hope the KW partnership fixed this. They surely would have detailed suspension and wheel data for a lot of cars.

By the way, if GT6 was more realistic, then the weight reduction modification this time would have the drawback of removing more weight on the rear axle than on the front one, or at least this is what should happen on most road legal cars. There's just that more weight that can be usually removed there.

Depends what parts you lighten, On modern cars there a hundred or so pounds of wiring and such just all over the place.
Replacing your hood and door panels should decrease weight in the front since the doors are neutral and well obviously the hood is in the front.
I always say weight balance is more important than becoming more lightweight.

Do agree on the alignment issues.

 

[shirakawaa]

Depends what parts you lighten, On modern cars there a hundred or so pounds of wiring and such just all over the place.
Replacing your hood and door panels should decrease weight in the front since the doors are neutral and well obviously the hood is in the front.
I always say weight balance is more important than becoming more lightweight.

By personal experience, on a relatively modern small passenger it's possible to remove over 100 Kg of weight just by stripping off unneeded things. This usually removes more weight on the rear axle than on the front. It can upset the car's balance pretty badly not only because the rear gets lighter, but also because it gets slightly taller (a couple centimeters or so) than stock since rear springs will be less preloaded.

 

[S30Z_Guy]

By personal experience, on a relatively modern small passenger it's possible to remove over 100 Kg of weight just by stripping off unneeded things. This usually removes more weight on the rear axle than on the front. It can upset the car's balance pretty badly not only because the rear gets lighter, but also because it gets slightly taller (a couple centimeters or so) than stock since rear springs will be less preloaded.

That could get pretty ugly.
It is probably possible to get a car lighter than what the tune shop gives you in GT but I always assumed they took into account the balance for the specs they gave you.

 

[Johnnypenso]

If they can't get the weight dist. right on many cars to begin with, I can guarantee you PD won't be going to the level of stripping weight off over one axle vs. the other. It'll be a generic, middle of the car weight reduction, same as always.

 

[S30Z_Guy]

Guess we will just have to see what happens. If the weight balances are the same I will be making a poll/ complaint post for PD to hear about.

 

[super_gt]

Really annoyed me that they pretty much got lazy in gt5 and put a 60/40 weight distribution on most of the standard cars.

It is a huge disadvantage and inaccuracy no wonder so many of the great old cars handle so poorly.
I mean you can fix it by making them lighter then adding a ballast for the proper weight distribution and you usually come out lighter than stock but still adding on at least 150kg just seems counter productive.

I would even be happy if they did 55/45 just to simplify things because 60/40 is just plain horrible. 55/45 is much more reasonable because you can at least change it to proper without too much more added weight.

Just for example of how off 60/40 is since I know it off the top of my head.
The stock distribution of first gen Z's with the L series engines and a half tank is about 52/48. It is pretty much a front mid mounted engine.
That coupled with a lean weight of 1020kg a straight 6 and fully independent suspension, front discs even has rack and pinion steering. It is a mean machine.

The best way in GT5 to change car balance is to put only in front softer tires.
For example front-sports medium rear-sports hard tires.

 

[Johnnypenso]

The best way in GT5 to change car balance is to put only in front softer tires.
For example front-sports medium rear-sports hard tires.

Uhhhh, no sorry. The best way is for PD to fix it. Second best way is to use ballast. There is no third best way. All you are doing is reducing grip on one end of the car. Reducing grip doesn't make a car faster or handle any more realistically.

 

[super_gt]

Uhhhh, no sorry. The best way is for PD to fix it. Second best way is to use ballast. There is no third best way. All you are doing is reducing grip on one end of the car. Reducing grip doesn't make a car faster or handle any more realistically.

When I drive is faster.
See this

 

[nickg07]

But how well does GT calculate the centre of gravity and relate this to the weight distribution?

 

[Johnnypenso]

When I drive is faster.

Right, you have less grip in the rear and go faster. I have some land in Florida real cheap if you're interested. You must completely dominate the TT's then as everyone I know at uses the same tires front and rear.