PSA: FIA races now have fuel and tyre depletion for race and qualifying

[Rangeraus]

You've been warned...

Makes qualifying much more difficult as you will likely have to make a pit stop to avoid trying to qualify on worn tyres.

Then you have two less laps that count and you will also need to find a gap in the traffic again.

Not a bad feature to introduce. A few more minutes would be helpful though.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

What I imagine people would be doing is very similar to WEC and F1, where they would have a slow outlap to find a gap (and to warm their tires, but that doesn't count in GTS), then have 1 banker lap and finally their flying lap.
Could agree that we could use 5-10 more minutes though

 

[GTFraker]

Yea, I noticed that, about time.

 

[Manasseh257NSX]

Is this new? It wasn't like this yesterday. (At least not from what I remember) Good little addition if it was added in.

Is it in the races as well now too in FIA mode?

 

[mthomas_95]

It's made Qualifying very tactical now, which makes things interesting. Most guys still go out straight away and only get one good lap before the tyres drop off.

At Suzuka I did a 2 lap fuel burn like they did in F1 for a few years (2006-7 I believe), came in for fresh tyres so my last lap was the only one that counted. Got me up to 2nd and the only one in the 2:08s behind @Rick23 GT though did mean I was praying the whole lap for no yellow flags

 

[BSDShoes]

It's made Qualifying very tactical now, which makes things interesting. Most guys still go out straight away and only get one good lap before the tyres drop off.

At Suzuka I did a 2 lap fuel burn like they did in F1 for a few years (2006-7 I believe), came in for fresh tyres so my last lap was the only one that counted. Got me up to 2nd and the only one in the 2:08s behind @Rick23 GT though did mean I was praying the whole lap for no yellow flags

That's what I would do, burn off some fuel to make the car lighter. Problem is, with some tracks, 10 minute qualifying isn't enough.

I have a feeling people are going to pull mind boggling lap times doing this though.

 

[tofuhero]

I'd been wondering why FIA events didn't have fuel and tire wear. Good to see!

Do they now allow tire choice, or are we stuck with RH?

 

[mthomas_95]

I think on tracks where the laptime is below 1:50 you can get 2 'runs' in without needing to be first out the pits, anything above that and it gets more complicated.

Do they now allow tire choice, or are we stuck with RH?

Limited to RH. They've been easing us into everything so far so maybe in the next month or so they'll open that up as well

 

[R10tz0r]

I knew about this before I went into the Nations race earlier, unfortunately bad placement, a hard outlap and traffic scuppered my initial "fast laps", pitted, fresh tyres and slow out lap got me a 6th just before the clock hit 0.

in the Manufacturer race I took it a bit different, slowly cruised round the out lap, making sure I had a nice gap ahead of me, nailed the second lap and got a 3rd, was tempted to pit and push again but didn't feel there was anything more in me

as a side note and slightly off-topic, it would be nice to see PD change it so that the lap your on as the clock hits 0 still counts, as opposed to just cutting you off.

 

[Tidgney]

I was more stunned in the race with this, I had 1 guy pull 2 seconds a lap on me and I had no answer, going to have to really look into this! Makes for interesting strategies that's for sure!

I'm not sure it's going to make the top 24 superstars any more competitive it might actually have the opposite effect as the whole field in my race tonight was so far spread it was pretty boring!

 

[mthomas_95]

I was more stunned in the race with this, I had 1 guy pull 2 seconds a lap on me and I had no answer, going to have to really look into this! Makes for interesting strategies that's for sure!

I'm not sure it's going to make the top 24 superstars any more competitive it might actually have the opposite effect as the whole field in my race tonight was so far spread it was pretty boring!

If it makes for a larger field spread in the Top 24 I'll be thankful in a way, easier to recover positions after being forced into the gravel like I was in both races on Saturday

Sadly the Superstars race is too long for someone to try the no stop strategy, proved to be viable in my race today at Suzuka.

 

[Tidgney]

If it makes for a larger field spread in the Top 24 I'll be thankful in a way, easier to recover positions after being forced into the gravel like I was in both races on Saturday

Sadly the Superstars race is too long for someone to try the no stop strategy, proved to be viable in my race today at Suzuka.

I did the no stop strategy in today's race, but even so the guy who won was 2 seconds a lap quicker and I literally have no idea how haha! I've never really done this fuel stuff in GT Sport yet so I'm going to have to learn.

Superstars race could be interesting in that sense as if you're stuck mid pack you could literally get some space etc. I actually have time to practice nations cup top 24 this week haha as eSports rallycross isn't on this week. Past 2 weeks before the last 1 it's literally been a 5 minute practice and in!

 

[mthomas_95]

I did the no stop strategy in today's race, but even so the guy who won was 2 seconds a lap quicker and I literally have no idea how haha! I've never really done this fuel stuff in GT Sport yet so I'm going to have to learn.

Superstars race could be interesting in that sense as if you're stuck mid pack you could literally get some space etc. I actually have time to practice nations cup top 24 this week haha as eSports rallycross isn't on this week. Past 2 weeks before the last 1 it's literally been a 5 minute practice and in!

Likewise, going to have to practice maximising short shifting and lift and coast even more now. Can't be too experimental online yet as the DR required to get into the Superstars shot up 6,000 points or so this week. Won't be long before you need 70,000 to get in

 

[Tidgney]

Likewise, going to have to practice maximising short shifting and lift and coast even more now. Can't be too experimental online yet as the DR required to get into the Superstars shot up 6,000 points or so this week. Won't be long before you need 70,000 to get in

O wow how do you find out what the required DR was to get in? I'm at 68k so I'm not to worried if it hits 70k at the moment !

 

[mthomas_95]

O wow how do you find out what the required DR was to get in? I'm at 68k so I'm not to worried if it hits 70k at the moment !

Was ranked #22 with 65,285 pre race, think mclaren who was #24 was a few hundred behind. I had a hunch earlier in the week it'd be around 65k so I'm glad I nailed the Gr.1 dailies at the Nurburgring!

Manufacturers looks like the 'easier' one to get into as I was #14 even after a little DR hit from the Monza carnage.

 

[Tidgney]

Was ranked #22 with 65,285 pre race, think mclaren who was #24 was a few hundred behind. I had a hunch earlier in the week it'd be around 65k so I'm glad I nailed the Gr.1 dailies at the Nurburgring!

Manufacturers looks like the 'easier' one to get into as I was #14 even after a little DR hit from the Monza carnage.

I normally do nations but the eSports event on PCars this week just shot a bit to much over in terms of time so had no chance to even try to compete . Thanks for the heads up in terms of points, may have to up my points a little more! Will be tricky though with this damn fueling though . Much prefer FIA to not have this fuel as I do feel it will make the races more boring! Nothing comes close to the skyline at Yamagiwa+Miyabi awhile ago that was great fun.

 

[mthomas_95]

I normally do nations but the eSports event on PCars this week just shot a bit to much over in terms of time so had no chance to even try to compete . Thanks for the heads up in terms of points, may have to up my points a little more! Will be tricky though with this damn fueling though . Much prefer FIA to not have this fuel as I do feel it will make the races more boring! Nothing comes close to the skyline at Yamagiwa+Miyabi awhile ago that was great fun.

I'd hate to imagine the carnage the Skyline race would've been with worn tyres . Wouldn't be surprised if they had something like long Tokyo as the final race just so they can laugh at the carnage as the rolling start bunches the entire field into the same piece of tarmac at Turn 1

 

[adstomko]

Was ranked #22 with 65,285 pre race, think mclaren who was #24 was a few hundred behind. I had a hunch earlier in the week it'd be around 65k so I'm glad I nailed the Gr.1 dailies at the Nurburgring!

Manufacturers looks like the 'easier' one to get into as I was #14 even after a little DR hit from the Monza carnage.

I normally do nations but the eSports event on PCars this week just shot a bit to much over in terms of time so had no chance to even try to compete . Thanks for the heads up in terms of points, may have to up my points a little more! Will be tricky though with this damn fueling though . Much prefer FIA to not have this fuel as I do feel it will make the races more boring! Nothing comes close to the skyline at Yamagiwa+Miyabi awhile ago that was great fun.

The Manufacturers Cup will likely be more fun than the Nations Cup with such regulations. In my opinion, they shouldn't add fuel and tyre consumption in the Nations Cup races because the majority of them involve standard, not racing cars - will become tedious and a crash fest.

I'm only in the low 50,000s at the minute because I keep joining races without setting hot laps in Sport mode! Need more time though. I think us Brits should get some races together to prepare for April (That's a translation of 'help me race a bit faster' haha)

 

[mthomas_95]

The Manufacturers Cup will likely be more fun than the Nations Cup with such regulations. In my opinion, they shouldn't add fuel and tyre consumption in the Nations Cup races because the majority of them involve standard, not racing cars - will become tedious and a crash fest.

I'm only in the low 50,000s at the minute because I keep joining races without setting hot laps in Sport mode! Need more time though. I think us Brits should get some races together to prepare for April (That's a translation of 'help me race a bit faster' haha)

I agree I don't see how fuel and tyres will improve the Nations, very few daily races have done those cars with such settings as well for people to practice.

Us Brits probably need to up our game organisation wise, the Nations Cup Top 24 was mostly French of all countries . There's usually 4-5 of us though who make it in.

 

[Tidgney]

The Manufacturers Cup will likely be more fun than the Nations Cup with such regulations. In my opinion, they shouldn't add fuel and tyre consumption in the Nations Cup races because the majority of them involve standard, not racing cars - will become tedious and a crash fest.

I'm only in the low 50,000s at the minute because I keep joining races without setting hot laps in Sport mode! Need more time though. I think us Brits should get some races together to prepare for April (That's a translation of 'help me race a bit faster' haha)

I agree I don't see how fuel and tyres will improve the Nations, very few daily races have done those cars with such settings as well for people to practice.

Us Brits probably need to up our game organisation wise, the Nations Cup Top 24 was mostly French of all countries . There's usually 4-5 of us though who make it in.

I think the problem with manufacturers having it is that BoP is still not 100% right, now if fuel consumption varies between all the cars there's now even more differences between the cars! While BoP is never going to be 100% right unless you do it on a track basis at least you could end up with 3/4/5 cars all within a tenth (Although I reckon that could be even more). If fuel consumption is higher in 1 over the other then that number is going to go back down to 1 or 2 cars being the best over the rest.

Manufacturers top 24 superstars this week in Europe was great in the fact it had in qualifying;

1st) Ferrari 2nd) Porsche 3rd) Citroen 4th) Ferrari 5th) BMW 6th) Aston 7-11) Porsche/BMW 12) Mercedes 13) Lexus

There's a lot of variety in that top 6 and I liked that. Wouldn't want to see it become a Porsche cup or some other car again.

 

[mthomas_95]

I think the problem with manufacturers having it is that BoP is still not 100% right, now if fuel consumption varies between all the cars there's now even more differences between the cars! While BoP is never going to be 100% right unless you do it on a track basis at least you could end up with 3/4/5 cars all within a tenth (Although I reckon that could be even more). If fuel consumption is higher in 1 over the other then that number is going to go back down to 1 or 2 cars being the best over the rest.

Manufacturers top 24 superstars this week in Europe was great in the fact it had in qualifying;

1st) Ferrari 2nd) Porsche 3rd) Citroen 4th) Ferrari 5th) BMW 6th) Aston 7-11) Porsche/BMW 12) Mercedes 13) Lexus

There's a lot of variety in that top 6 and I liked that. Wouldn't want to see it become a Porsche cup or some other car again.

It was impressive to see the Ferrari up there in particular after it being almost undrivable in earlier updates, made a nice change from the Porsche Supercup race the weekend before! I'm hoping the fuel doesn't divide those cars too much and actually brings stuff like the McLaren and Nissan into play a bit more with their superior mileage.

 

[QTheRacer_31]

What a mess... My Citroën is now useless... 4 laps and tires are gone. I’ll skip this season and pick something else for the next one...

 

[Espial]

How high is the tire wear / fuel consumption set? 1x, 2x? Or similar to Daily races C, 9x-10x?

 

[Alpha Cipher]

How high is the tire wear / fuel consumption set? 1x, 2x? Or similar to Daily races C, 9x-10x?

Similar to the daily races

 

[puupke]

I like it more now, with the tyre/fuel management. Different strategies, and no longer the fastest has the most chance to win. You need to drive very neat and clean, as fast as possible. The Should do this every race now, imo. More fun then just a sprint to the end.

 

[QTheRacer_31]

I like it more now, with the tyre/fuel management. Different strategies, and no longer the fastest has the most chance to win. You need to drive very neat and clean, as fast as possible. The Should do this every race now, imo. More fun then just a sprint to the end.

If they removed wear during the qualifier or extended it to 15 or 20 minutes, it would be great. You can only set one lap then you need to pit for the second attempt. 10 minutes is way too short.

I got squeezed, caught a spinning car and got a penalty avoiding it. Both laps ruined and I was 1.5s slower than my practice lap. Started 15th. Moved up a little but some drivers were serving penalties on the racing line and weaving to slow us down. I ended up getting spun at the last corner by a crazy Z4 driver as I lifted to avoid an incident. Lost 1000 DR points in a race I’m usually very competitive in.

Kaz wanted “human drama” and he now has it... I used to enjoy these sprints with 10-15-20 S/S drivers battling for position. Now, I feel like there’s almost nothing interesting left in sport mode. Might just run lobbies until they get their act together.

 

[mthomas_95]

I like it more now, with the tyre/fuel management. Different strategies, and no longer the fastest has the most chance to win. You need to drive very neat and clean, as fast as possible. The Should do this every race now, imo. More fun then just a sprint to the end.

Not surprised you like it after that race at Suzuka, was expecting you in on Lap 5 so tried going through the traffic after my stop as quickly as possible for nothing in the end!

 

[pedrocor]

The only problem is the trolls that can't understand the concept of finding a gap and bump you on the out lap of both, just because...

 

[eAxis Patohm]

Ist very cool! The first race in Suzuka, you could see 4 (!) different strategies in Top 5!!! It even depends on your self!! Are you good with tires? Are you good with fuel?! If one not, some strategies does not work for you

Was a very cool race - sure at the beginning gaps will increase til everyone will be "good" in it!

But really looking Forward to this! Ist really funny You can see true differences in Tire Performance according how you tread them! It makes a huge difference

 

[NommyNom]

I love that wear is on, more strategy involved and more attention required for tire wear, fuel, adjusting power/lean strategies, it’s really good stuff! Gained 4 positions yesterday at Kyoto with some good tire strategy and drafting to save fuel (let me out of the pits ahead of him)

Tire wear during qualifying is new isn’t it? I don’t remember that being included during daily race Cs. Anyway, it’s a welcomed addition, limiting people’s lap times, makes it more fair imo.