Pushing AWD Limits.

[G-T-4-Fan]

Well I was thinking:



Fact: With AWD cars you get power on both front and rear wheels.

Now to compare that with rear wheel drive cars, if you give gas while drifting you have to countersteer to make up for the massive traction loss in the back.

But if you have power to both wheels and you will countersteer, the front wheels will PULL you out of the drift, IF enough power is going to the front.

Can you set up a car, so that the front wheels are at the boundry of pulling you ut of a drift. JUUST not enough power for them to pull you out but still letting you maintain your angle? JUST making up for the spin in the back? Look at my drawing now and try to imagine that

If thats possible then you could give full throttle and all the power would be balanced in such a way that you would maintain your angle, but you would increase your speed VERY much. That for example, would mean you could drift long corners with great speed like Super Speedway...(or how is it called in GT4?)

It's kind of hard to explain but I think this might actually be possible?
Has anyone tried to do that here? Got any results?

 

[tedaconda]

yeah I have my GDB subaru impreza STi set up for that. as long as the balance is there, then you can keep adding power and get results that are just amazing. I can get the car facing more backwards then forwards and power through to set up the next turn, feinting is almost a waste of track space now with that car. if u want some settings just holla back.

 

[ForcedInduction]

Mike drives his AWD's like the FR drivetrain.


I myself do not counter-steer to maintain drifts.

 

[nightwalker888]

if u get that controller thing(forget wat its caleld) u can controll how much power is going to the front wheels, h/e u cant use it with the LSD

 

[Boundary Layer]

It's a VCD (variable center differential), and you can use it in conjunction with an LSD. It's the yaw controller available to most LanEvo's that you cannot use in conjuntion with a FC LSD.

 

[FaLLeNAn9eL]

It's a VCD (variable center differential), and you can use it in conjunction with an LSD. It's the yaw controller available to most LanEvo's that you cannot use in conjuntion with a FC LSD.

wait isnt it pratically impossible to drift without the VCD?

 

[red70mach1]

Bias the VCD to 10% to the front.

 

[Boundary Layer]

^^ you'd might as well just stick to FR's bud, you so clearly want the car to behave as one.

And no, it doesnt require at VCD to drift AWD's. I'm perhaps not the best authority to confer on this matter [I'm a lousy AWD drifter], but it is certainly possible.

 

[nk4e]

^^ you'd might as well just stick to FR's bud, you so clearly want the car to behave as one.

And no, it doesnt require at VCD to drift AWD's. I'm perhaps not the best authority to confer on this matter [I'm a lousy AWD drifter], but it is certainly possible.

Ask DR, but in my experience(from what I know). That the VCD just adds power to the front wheels. but it is possible to drift without it(VCD), for example: Take the R34 and just put the economy tires on it and your set.

No countersteer drifting= no countersteer at all but pure power by maintaing the Gas in the power band.((I might read it over...))

 

[luftrofl]

NK4E- I think the skylines are a bad example because they have the Attesa system.

 

[ForcedInduction]

I use the VCD when it is available, and do without it when it is not available.


All this terminology is making my head go 'round

 

[nk4e]

NK4E- I think the skylines are a bad example because they have the Attesa system.

I can do the same with a GC8

 

[vinsion]

I have a good video that shows a bit of what AWD [show] drifting is like. Clicketh the Linketh.

Yes, that's me drifting, it's my only video really, I've been far too busy to make a full fledged drift video.

//Vin

 

[tedaconda]

vinsion I really dont mean to rain on your parade...correct me if Im wrong but itsnt the Falken R34 skyline in your video an FR car?? might wanna check on that

 

[Leonidae]

Falken is only 4wd race-bred Skyline, that participated endurance racing at nurb if i recall right..

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

yeah I have my GDB subaru impreza STi set up for that. as long as the balance is there, then you can keep adding power and get results that are just amazing. I can get the car facing more backwards then forwards and power through to set up the next turn, feinting is almost a waste of track space now with that car. if u want some settings just holla back.

I havent been here for a while assuming the thread was dead again

But I was wrong I would really like to check your settings out m8!

 

[vinsion]

vinsion I really dont mean to rain on your parade...correct me if Im wrong but itsnt the Falken R34 skyline in your video an FR car?? might wanna check on that

Nope, it's AWD, and like Leonidae said, it was built for an annual Nurembergring 24 hour race (I believe, don't quote me on that). It definatly is an AWD car, and if you notice in that video, no FR car I know of car recover from that much angle (at least in GT4). AWD drifting is kind of a strange when compared to other 'normal' types of drifting (well, FR/MR at least). The phsyics that come into play are essentially the same, but the way the car handles is so very different. AWD dorifto is the only real way I know to pull out of drifts that exceed that mysterious 90 degree angle zone, FR cars generally spin out, but I've seen a few very talented drivers actually turn it into a real drift though. Beyond 90 degrees in FR is something I would pay good money to see someone do consistantly. AWD on the other hand is [IMO] the real deal when it comes to huge angle drifts.

2cents,

//Vin

 

[BaTsBR]

yeah I have my GDB subaru impreza STi set up for that. as long as the balance is there, then you can keep adding power and get results that are just amazing. I can get the car facing more backwards then forwards and power through to set up the next turn, feinting is almost a waste of track space now with that car. if u want some settings just holla back.

Hi, I'm new here
could you send your settings to me too ???

I've seen some videos from here, all very good ones, and in my AWD cars I always use the VCD.

 

[FaLLeNAn9eL]

ive always wanted to do this

[edit] because of misunderstandings i would like to appologize to G-T-4-Fan. the picture was directed only towards BaTsBR

 

[Specialized]

ive always wanted to do this

..........Snip...............

Well they say that copying people is the best kind of flattery

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

*snap*

Nevermind, all a stupid misunderstanding.

 

[nk4e]

as long as the balance is there, then you can keep adding power

In my opinion, if you keep adding power to the car, your going have to adjust the suspension settings. AWD drifting isn't getting a car past 180 Degrees but keeping it there with there is no countersteer.

 

[Boundary Layer]

you must mean 90 degrees. 180 degrees would have you driving backwards.

 

[ForcedInduction]

you must mean 90 degrees. 180 degrees would have you driving backwards.

true that.



GT4 physics for AWD cars is totally different from that of GT3. It is impossible to keep the car at 90 degrees while holding out your drift. It's only possible when you're drifting through a small corner or so, but definitely not possible when you're drifting say for instance the big lefter at apricot hill (turn 6).

 

[FaLLeNAn9eL]

Dude, you cant find this in the drift settings depot, please read the FIRST post so you will see what this thread was intended to do.

.........I cant explain this, but I'm really annoyed by seeing that people grab every single opportunity to make threads look dumb here in the drift subforums. You wont get popular by telling people to search guys! It shows zero respect to the members that made the threads.
I cant even believe how people rush to threads that are not supposed to be there just to post the drift settings depot link and swifts/boundrie's drift guide.

A BIG *SIGH*

And I know it wasn't meant in a bad way fallenangel, but this is more in general too, this behavior became some kind of culture in the drift forums...

Edit: I know something, I'll be watching everyday for when the GT5 drift subforum will appear, and then I will make a thread called "Everything about GT5 drifting", and I will post in EVERY THREAD that appears after it, to search, and then link my thread:idea: Will that make me popular?

umm dude, maybe i wasnt very specific on who i was directing that comment to, but i was talkin to this guy:

Hi, I'm new here
could you send your settings to me too ???

I've seen some videos from here, all very good ones, and in my AWD cars I always use the VCD.

 

[nk4e]

you must mean 90 degrees. 180 degrees would have you driving backwards.

No, he meant this:

I can get the car facing more backwards then forwards

 

[FaLLeNAn9eL]

so he can whip the tail end out so much that it takes the corner rear first then whip the front back around to complete the turn?

 

[Boundary Layer]

QII_____ 90 ___QI
________|
180 -----|------ 0 [360]
________|
QIII ___ 270 ___QIV


wow was that a pain to create...

No, he meant this:

I can get the car facing more backwards then forwards

That is satisfied by an angle lying somewhere in QII or QIII - you'd only have to marginally exceed 90* to have the car face more backwards than forwards.

My guess is that the angle hes talking about is hovering somewhere in the 90 to 100 degree area - not anywhere near 180. If he meant that he woulda said he was fully backwards (which I think we can all manage easy enough, often without even trying )

Even claims of angles approaching or exceeding 90* are a bit ridiculous imo. You might put the car there for a split second by fluke or poor judgement and then quickly recover, but you'll be hard pressed to sustain a drift at that angle - as FI mentioned already.

 

[nos2]

In my experience, to drift an awd car you should start with staggered tires (N2/N1), then try to tune your car back into balance again. To me, that's a lot ezier than starting with same tires (N2/N2) all around and try to get the car to oversteer. That way you have natural oversteer to begin with. Also, turn the VCD to less than 20%, so the car behaves like an FR car, but you still can get higher angle than a FR car because you still have a little bit of traction up front.

 

[Niels]

umm dude, maybe i wasnt very specific on who i was directing that comment to, but i was talkin to this guy:

Now....why did it point to this thread as "Your post" and it's my thread? That must mean it was directed to me doesn't it? (Oh and look at my sig)

Edit: Oh and I remember I did some...hows it called...drifting on the straight (Manji?) a long time ago with an FPV GT, but then I used the weight shift too much and suddenly the car got into a 120 degree angle or something like that, but it recovered in a very strange way. It almost seemed like it pulled itsself out of the drift instead of my countersteering being the main reason.

And they werent odd settings or something, It was my "little" drift machine those days. But that was a long time ago. It looked very cool