Question about Spinning Out When Breaking

[mikekhel30]

So I am trying to tune my 06 S2000 for the 'ring, but I am having trouble for this tune. I never had a problem with tuning before, but this time it is just driving me crazy.

So here is my problem, when I shift to 3rd then brake before I down shift to 2nd, I spin out everytime. I have tried adjusting my lsd and suspension to no avail. I will post my tune when I get home, but can anyone tell me why this happens?

PS: I can't even downshift to 2nd because I can't get to proper speed, it just spins out once I apply the brake, very smoothly. I even turn on the ABS. Transmission problem maybe?

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

No, the game just doesn't know how to present brake force modulation without the ABS.

 

[mikekhel30]

No, the game just doesn't know how to present brake force modulation without the ABS.

It happens with ABS as well.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

You could always lower the rear brake force to a point where itt doesn't overwhelm the ABS.

 

[CyKosis1973]

After you've tried the above, try removing all clutch, flywheel and driveshaft upgrades. These can have an adverse effect on the car. If removing them all cures the problem, then start reinstalling parts one by one.

Don't always assume the the most expensive upgrade is the best for the car

{Cy}

 

[Adrenaline]

Increase LSD Initial and DeAccel if the above don't work. Increase rear downforce.

 

[JLawrence]

Increase LSD Initial and DeAccel if the above don't work. Increase rear downforce.

Sorry for the change of subject, but I was under the impression that the Initial didn't effect braking, rather just the amount of torque upon acceleration before the wheels broke loose?

I do know that the Braking Sensitivity does help out a lot in keeping the rear end in check when set to a higher number, and tweaking the brake balance to lower the rear/raise the front strength also helps with control.

 

[No_OBsT33R]

Surprised nobody asked this yet, but what are your brakes set to?

 

[mikekhel30]

Surprised nobody asked this yet, but what are your brakes set to?

5 frront and 6 rear. I have tried different settings as well, 7-3, 6-4, etc. Nothing works, that what bugs me the most.

 

[zodicus]

if you raise the final drive so that second is now the same speed as 3rd dose it still do it? Its possable that there is to big of a differance in the RPM's between the gears and its overloading the rear tires. Changing the suspension, abs and break pressure didnt help i would think it has to be tranny related.

 

[No_OBsT33R]

The best thing would be to post up settings and spec. We can then road test.

 

[1241Penguin]

With a bicycle, if you brake only with the front wheels, you will be propelled over the handlebars and results in you flipping your bike (I learnt this the hard way...). On the other hand, if you brake only with the rear wheels, you will swerve a little but the consequences aren't as bad. Try setting the brakes so that there's more braking in the back wheels.

 

[JDM_Import]

Try making the front Dampers Compression and Extension a little stiffer, the car might be getting a little more weight transfer to the front then it can handle.

 

[No_OBsT33R]

With a bicycle, if you brake only with the front wheels, you will be propelled over the handlebars and results in you flipping your bike (I learnt this the hard way...). On the other hand, if you brake only with the rear wheels, you will swerve a little but the consequences aren't as bad. Try setting the brakes so that there's more braking in the back wheels.

Funny how most of the braking done on motorcyckes is still with the front brakes much more at play then appears. However butt draggin is wide spread in the GTP comunity.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Funny how most of the braking done on motorcyckes is still with the front brakes much more at play then appears. However butt draggin is wide spread in the GTP comunity.

Not to mention that cars are entirely different from bicycles (and motorcycles different from them as well due in no small part to greater forces involved).

As for "butt draggin"... Well, only the ABS users. You'll never see someone run higher rear than front bias without ABS unless they have a death wish; without it it is simply the fastest way to stop the car. Don't ask why, I don't know. I have theories, but don't know.

 

[No_OBsT33R]

Not to mention that cars are entirely different from bicycles (and motorcycles different from them as well due in no small part to greater forces involved).

As for "butt draggin"... Well, only the ABS users. You'll never see someone run higher rear than front bias without ABS unless they have a death wish; without it it is simply the fastest way to stop the car. Don't ask why, I don't know. I have theories, but don't know.

Well, you mentioned it. But yeah, goes to show there is a lot more at play. I won't debate over principles.

Funny, with disk brakes on my bike I use mostly the front brake, barely ever the rear. I'm also being towed by my pitbull using the front brake to keep him in check or slow him down. Weird, or is it.

Your absolutly right about ABS off, but about it being faster when on, that's debateable, fastest drivers I've seen (pick up and go) use realistic brake set ups . Ive also done brake testing with the Emperor & dropping the rear setting from 6 to 4 greatly improved braking performance. Id say its highly debateable.

 

[budious]

Funny, with disk brakes on my bike I use mostly the front brake, barely ever the rear. I'm also being towed by my pitbull using the front brake to keep him in check or slow him down. Weird, or is it.

Wierd? Not at all, I actually have a disc brake mountain bike and pitbull and have done that on occasion as well. I got a handlebar lockout switch on my Rock Shox so that takes care for an downward pull braking while the dog pulls on the road.

Sorry for the change of subject, but I was under the impression that the Initial didn't effect braking, rather just the amount of torque upon acceleration before the wheels broke loose?

I do know that the Braking Sensitivity does help out a lot in keeping the rear end in check when set to a higher number, and tweaking the brake balance to lower the rear/raise the front strength also helps with control.

Initial matters mid corner because it will prevent the oversteer from allowing the rear wheels to change direction too quickly in regards to each other's rate of turn. Braking sensitivity is for corner entry when the brake is applied.

 

[No_OBsT33R]

Wierd?

"or is it"

I actually have a disc brake mountain bike and pitbull and have done that on occasion as well. I got a handlebar lockout switch on my Rock Shox so that takes care for an downward pull braking while the dog pulls on the road..

Good times! Yup I forgot to mention the shocks, they help.

I love it, flying past the Spandex Monkeys, Expos Fitted backwards being towed by a Brindle Bully. Or just watching my dog going full steam. Good times!

 

[Adrenaline]

Sorry for the change of subject, but I was under the impression that the Initial didn't effect braking, rather just the amount of torque upon acceleration before the wheels broke loose?

It's my personal opinion, the initial effects both braking and acceleration.

 

[zodicus]

I always thought initial was like "static". As in when there is no load on the lsd what would cause it to activate and limit the slippage between the 2 wheels.

 

[leexr2i]

post exactly what car and every single setting.. then we car try and see what is up!

 

[No_OBsT33R]

post exactly what car and every single setting.. then we car try and see what is up!

That's what I'm saying, this needs a road test.

 

[leexr2i]

I have all day tomorrow to play gt5, gime something to do man!!!

 

[SileightyCyrus]

I'd be curious what car it is, as well as the suspension and alignment. You could be transferring too much weight to the front.