R.I.P. Plasma

[Anomaly]

There would be barely a bigger fan of plasma than me, but burn in is a real and present risk to this day. Like I posted above different companies have different levels of tolerance though.

Unfortunately the best bang for buck tv in history (Panasonic ST60 series) is quite vulnerable, despite it's pixel orbiter.

WOW... Someone who doesn't automatically buy the hogwash that manufacturers dole out. I salute you and your ability to actually think & reason for yourself. I too would be a huge plasma fan. Fortunately, I understand that burn-in cannot be eliminated. It's like if you deprive someone of oxygen for a long enough period of time, that person will die. When in use, Phosphors will wear, and there's nothing that can be done about that. Burn-in is basically visible patterns of phosphor wear. This is not rocket science here.

 

[LeMansAid]

WOW... Someone who doesn't automatically buy the hogwash that manufacturers dole out. I salute you and your ability to actually think & reason for yourself. I too would be a huge plasma fan. Fortunately, I understand that burn-in cannot be eliminated. It's like if you deprive someone of oxygen for a long enough period of time, that person will die. When in use, Phosphors will wear, and there's nothing that can be done about that. Burn-in is basically visible patterns of phosphor wear. This is not rocket science here.

My thinking is, as long as it can handle the length of the average movie with black bars for 21:9 or 4:3, then the rest is my responsibility.

I think you mentioned that you've seen burn in on friend's sets where they thought there was none. I've had this experience as well. Logically it's usually "PAUSE" or the like. With your level of awareness I'd imagine you'd be a great candidate for taking good care of a plasma though, and the upsides are massive.

 

[Anomaly]

My thinking is, as long as it can handle the length of the average movie with black bars for 21:9 or 4:3, then the rest is my responsibility.

I think you mentioned that you've seen burn in on friend's sets where they thought there was none. I've had this experience as well. Logically it's usually "PAUSE" or the like. With your level of awareness I'd imagine you'd be a great candidate for taking good care of a plasma though, and the upsides are massive.

I see where you're coming from, but for me personally... I'm not going to let the TV dictate what & how much of something I watch or play. I didn't spend the time, money, effort or love of the hobby only to stretch, zoom or otherwise degrade what appears on the display. If I feel like sitting down for a 20 hour marathon of films or some game, I don't want the fear of sidebars or a game's HUD burning-into my screen. When weighing all the pros & cons and their severity, I simply choose LCD. Besides, my Bravia has an absolutely gorgeous and extremely natural picture for the vast majority of content.

 

[Robin]

I have had to nanny my Plasma from the day I bought it, the ratio/zoom button gets a work out daily! It will IR anything static and bright within 15 minutes and takes 2 days to disappear (looking on pure a white background) so I can only assume leaving anything static longer would result in permanent burn in. However I don't mind the extra effort to have better image quality. Bare in mind though this IR is invisible to any person other than me with my eagle eyes

 

[TenEightyOne]

Cant you fix the burn in by playing the static from the Big Bang for a few hours used to be the case for arcade machines and crt's

Indeed you can, mine had a "de-burn" mode that you could run overnight that would do the same.

On main topic; I've yet to see a non-plasma screen that performs as well visually. I couldn't care less about weight/heat/power costs, I just want to look at it

 

[vasiliflame]

Indeed you can, mine had a "de-burn" mode that you could run overnight that would do the same.

On main topic; I've yet to see a non-plasma screen that performs as well visually. I couldn't care less about weight/heat/power costs, I just want to look at it

just bought a 22" Samsung smart led tv for my son for his 7th birthday. its not plasma quality but not far off i am really impressed quad core prossesor wifi hdfreeview so many features if i reeled them off i would sound like a advert. but for £190 its mint

 

[Epic B]

just bought a 22" Samsung smart led tv for my son for his 7th birthday. its not plasma quality but not far off i am really impressed quad core prossesor wifi hdfreeview so many features if i reeled them off i would sound like a advert. but for £190 its mint

Sounds pretty nice.

 

[LeMansAid]

@Robin. I'm guessing you own a Panasonic? Retention in my experience gets worse after the auto-changes at 1000 hours of use, along with black levels. With the floating blacks "feature"/issue thrown in as well I think it's well worth Panasonic owners hunting down a last gen Pioneer. Unless 60 inch is too small for purpose. I've got myself doomsday prepped, with the one I use plus one boxed up in storage.

@vasiliflame Did you get my pm way back about the Sony PVM in Cardiff?

btw. My Gyruss arcade machine sports it's burn in shame/glory even when powered off, so I dont think that's going away any time..... ever.

 

[Robin]

@Robin. I'm guessing you own a Panasonic? Retention in my experience gets worse after the auto-changes at 1000 hours of use, along with black levels. With the floating blacks "feature"/issue thrown in as well I think it's well worth Panasonic owners hunting down a last gen Pioneer. Unless 60 inch is too small for purpose. I've got myself doomsday prepped, with the one I use plus one boxed up in storage.

No it's an LG. Very happy with the picture and I did the 1000 hours run in with nothing static when I first got it but IR is an on going issue.

Would have loved a Kuro. They still command crazy prices on the second hand market.

 

[vasiliflame]

@Robin. I'm guessing you own a Panasonic? Retention in my experience gets worse after the auto-changes at 1000 hours of use, along with black levels. With the floating blacks "feature"/issue thrown in as well I think it's well worth Panasonic owners hunting down a last gen Pioneer. Unless 60 inch is too small for purpose. I've got myself doomsday prepped, with the one I use plus one boxed up in storage.

@vasiliflame Did you get my pm way back about the Sony PVM in Cardiff?

btw. My Gyruss arcade machine sports it's burn in shame/glory even when powered off, so I dont think that's going away any time..... ever.

yeah i did matey, i am sure i replied but i couldn't afford it at the time if i remember correctly i had that pm same day my bills came in typically . Was hoping to be settled in the new home one year after i moved in and have everything sorted, but haven't finished the house yet so my tv/games room will have to wait until the new year everything is still in boxes atm. And my Mrs don't understand the whole crt thing but what can you do huh

 

[Pseudopod]

I just hope my Panasonic plasma TV lasts until 50" 4k oled tvs become reasonably cheap.

 

[LeMansAid]

yeah i did matey, i am sure i replied but i couldn't afford it at the time if i remember correctly i had that pm same day my bills came in typically .

What?!! It started at 99p and didn't get any bids!!

No it's an LG. Very happy with the picture and I did the 1000 hours run in with nothing static when I first got it but IR is an on going issue.

Would have loved a Kuro. They still command crazy prices on the second hand market.

Ah, ok. The issue that the Panasonic units have is that they're programmed to run non-optional changes to the panel at 1000 hours of use. A side effect of the changes is an increase in IR risk. So ironically, if someone was to do a "run in" with screen wipers or the like, they'd just be using up valuable less risk time. Don't know about LG though.

You can't through life without having owned a Kuro. By the looks of it, at least there's quite a few top line ones for sale over there.

I just hope my Panasonic plasma TV lasts until 50" 4k oled tvs become reasonably cheap.

I hope that enough people buy oleds to bank roll furthering the tech. In a store setting, with store settings, lcd and oled won't show the oled in all it's comparative glory. The worry that oled won't take hold is a factor in me stocking up on plasmas. I'm up to six units right now!!

 

[vasiliflame]

@LeMansAid Well i never was really skint that week i did look at it but thought i wouldn't be able to get into a bidding war. with rougly £20 quid in the bank after paying bill. makes me kinda mad i could have got it for 99p wish you didnt tell me now . Well maybe i will get another chance one day but i know the longer i leave it more and more are being sent to waste

 

[Robin]

I didn't know it existed but LG is joining the club with Sony in offering...

Quantum Dot TV's

The technology works by harnessing nano crystals that range in size from two to 10 nanometres. Each dot emits a different colour depending on its size. By adding a film of quantum dots in front of the LCD backlight, picture colour reproduction rate and overall brightness are significantly improved

Since the nano-sized dots emit extraordinarily vivid colours, quantum dot technology is able to enhance the already stunning capabilities of LG’s 4K ULTRA HD In-Plane Switching (IPS) displays. The colour reproduction rate in LG’s IPS panels, which offers high colour accuracy and extra-wide viewing angles, is increased with the addition of the quantum dot film by more than 30 percent compared with conventional LCD/LED TVs.

OK it's still LCD but in the long term it could give a better picture than OLED for much higher lifespan and lower cost.

As for Plasma all manufacturers now have pulled out

 

[LeMansAid]

Panasonic owners - a little miracle occurred.

A "do-dad" has been developed that resets 11th to 13th generation plasmas. It specifically deals with the rising blacks "feature" in those sets. Basically, over time the black levels rise, making for a decidedly grey look.

With this unit an MLL reset is periodically forced. Look for where the black edge meets the "black" of the image......

Before:

After:

A long time coming, but I'm glad someone finally worked it out, as I have four plasmas that can benefit from this.

http://audiodane.dandk.org/pmcv2/

 

[Connoissuer]

Panasonic owners - a little miracle occurred.

A "do-dad" has been developed that resets 11th to 13th generation plasmas. It specifically deals with the rising blacks "feature" in those sets. Basically, over time the the black levels rise, making for a decidedly grey look.

With this unit an MLL reset is periodically forced. Look for where the black edge meets the "black" of the image......

Before:
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After:
View attachment 345014

A long time coming, but I'm glad someone finally worked it out, as I have four plasmas that can benefit from this.

http://audiodane.dandk.org/pmcv2/

I don't see what you see.

 

[Omnis]

Panasonic owners - a little miracle occurred.

A "do-dad" has been developed that resets 11th to 13th generation plasmas. It specifically deals with the rising blacks "feature" in those sets. Basically, over time the the black levels rise, making for a decidedly grey look.

With this unit an MLL reset is periodically forced. Look for where the black edge meets the "black" of the image......

Before:
View attachment 345013

After:
View attachment 345014

A long time coming, but I'm glad someone finally worked it out, as I have four plasmas that can benefit from this.

http://audiodane.dandk.org/pmcv2/

Awesome! Thanks a lot for sharing this. Honestly, my PZ800U is almost 8 years old but I think it's still the best TV of those owned by my family.

 

[Robin]

LG Plasma's don't suffer from rising black's do they?

 

[Pseudopod]

Panasonic owners - a little miracle occurred.

A "do-dad" has been developed that resets 11th to 13th generation plasmas. It specifically deals with the rising blacks "feature" in those sets. Basically, over time the the black levels rise, making for a decidedly grey look.

With this unit an MLL reset is periodically forced. Look for where the black edge meets the "black" of the image......

Before:
View attachment 345013

After:
View attachment 345014

A long time coming, but I'm glad someone finally worked it out, as I have four plasmas that can benefit from this.

http://audiodane.dandk.org/pmcv2/

I didn't know this was a known issue with Panasonics. I have actually noticed that my TV isn't as black as it used to be. This thing would be pretty expensive to ship to norway though. Idk if i should get it.

When it comes to burnin/retention, I actually don't find this to be a problem at all. My plasma has been used mainly for gaming, and while I have seen some UI elements being stuck, this always wears off within 15 minutes of displaying "normal" moving images on it. Also, for the short time it was there, it was only really visible in dark scenes with my living room's lights turned off.

 

[LeMansAid]

I don't see what you see.

Here's a far more obvious one.

Black level is such an important base for accurate colour, and this pic shows the massive difference in that as well as the more obvious richness in the purer blacks.

LG Plasma's don't suffer from rising black's do they?

Not that I'm aware.

I didn't know this was a known issue with Panasonics. I have actually noticed that my TV isn't as black as it used to be. This thing would be pretty expensive to ship to norway though. Idk if i should get it.

When it comes to burnin/retention, I actually don't find this to be a problem at all. My plasma has been used mainly for gaming, and while I have seen some UI elements being stuck, this always wears off within 15 minutes of displaying "normal" moving images on it. Also, for the short time it was there, it was only really visible in dark scenes with my living room's lights turned off.

I've found retention gets worse along with the rising blacks. You could expect this unit to completely address the rising blacks, likely improve the resistance to retention, and possibly improve the floating blacks.

With burn in, you will probably find that using the white screen wiper will show up any nasties the most. Sometimes it's best not to look though. Bliss, ignorance, and such.

Awesome! Thanks a lot for sharing this. Honestly, my PZ800U is almost 8 years old but I think it's still the best TV of those owned by my family.

Hell, my Pioneer is nearly 8 years old is still almost universally heralded the best tv ever produced. The tech is so innately superior that there will never truly be a catch up point. Yours is indeed still a mighty good tv to this day. Even OLED for all it's merits will be burdened with having that digital look to it that phosphor based displays (CRT, plasma) are not weighed down by.

 

[Connoissuer]

Here's a far more obvious one.

Black level is such an important base for accurate colour, and this pic shows the massive difference in that as well as the more obvious richness in the purer blacks.

Thanks

 

[Swagger897]

I have a 50" Samsung plasma, a 55" LG LCD, a 70" LED Sharp, and used to own a 65" Samsung DLP.

My ratings from best to worst:
65"DLP
55" LG
50" Plasma
70" Sharp

Why? the DLP was and still is the best picture quality/sharpness/saturation/... best picture I've ever seen. The opening scene for NBC news for example, nothing else so far has the same depth as the DLP, not even the Sharp.
The LG is second because of its picture quality, and weight, along with the fact that it hardly puts out any heat.
The plasma is third because it is somewhat light, but in the winter it can heat up our entire living-room.
Finally the Sharp. Watch anything fly through the air and you'll notice there is three objects. Golf is the most noticeable, where three balls appear, one about six inches ahead from where it actually is, the other is about 6 inches behind. Football (American) you can't even see the football until the receiver catches it in his hands...

So no, I'm not really gonna miss plamas, and I don't like LED's...

 

[LeMansAid]

Finally the Sharp. Watch anything fly through the air and you'll notice there is three objects. Golf is the most noticeable, where three balls appear, one about six inches ahead from where it actually is, the other is about 6 inches behind. Football (American) you can't even see the football until the receiver catches it in his hands...

So no, I'm not really gonna miss plamas, and I don't like LED's...

Reads like you've got the motion interpolation active on your Sharp. Having blur is better than the side effects that you're getting there. I've found most of those Sharps to be very unimpressive though anyway.

LEDs in consumer tvs are simply backlights for LCD panels. Any debate over tech would not logically be about LED vs LCD, but rather CCFL vs LED (side) vs LED (direct) vs LED (local dimming).

The final gen Samsung and Panasonic plasmas have amazing picture quality and are really quite good in regards to heat.

 

[vasiliflame]

Reads like you've got the motion interpolation active on your Sharp. Having blur is better than the side effects that you're getting there. I've found most of those Sharps to be very unimpressive though anyway.

LEDs in consumer tvs are simply backlights for LCD panels. Any debate over tech would not logically be about LED vs LCD, but rather CCFL vs LED (side) vs LED (direct) vs LED (local dimming).

The final gen Samsung and Panasonic plasmas have amazing picture quality and are really quite good in regards to heat.

I have a sharp aquos in the living room and it's anything but sharp.. I hate it its impossible to dial in. on movies it's not to bad. But games and TV it's all over the place. but no real choice anymore New TVs are like vhs gets the job done at a cheap price whilst scarification of picture quality.

 

[wfooshee]

Samsung 55" plasma here, love it love it love it. Bought it in January 2011 for both the plasma and for 3D. I have NEVER seen an LCD TV that I could watch!!! Motion artifacts like floating colonies of pixels around moving objects just piss me off. Hopefully some of these new technologies will give useful response rates in the picture.

I just find it odd that a TV that splatters anything that moves can be called high-definition with a straight face.

 

[Swagger897]

Reads like you've got the motion interpolation active on your Sharp. Having blur is better than the side effects that you're getting there. I've found most of those Sharps to be very unimpressive though anyway.

LEDs in consumer tvs are simply backlights for LCD panels. Any debate over tech would not logically be about LED vs LCD, but rather CCFL vs LED (side) vs LED (direct) vs LED (local dimming).

The final gen Samsung and Panasonic plasmas have amazing picture quality and are really quite good in regards to heat.

I might read more into that. I've never seen a TV do that before, and the first thing my dad and I watched was a golf tournament and were absolutely pissed with it. The settings aren't the easiest menus to navigate either...