Racing Soft Drift?

[DarkAvengerZR1]

As asked before, what is the point of drifting? Getting Racing softs under a car, throw a couple of thousand dollars out of the window in 10 turns?

What if a rich guy wants to? His problem, not yours. lol

Yeah, and which compound allows me more oversteer, for longer amounts of time? WHy use a tire that's worse, for both of our definitions of drifting? Because of the speed? If people want speed they should use X1's. Not sideways.

Why use other tires? Maybe because he wants to?

Racing soft tires to me feel so grippy its unrealistic, sticking them on a car to drift with is counter productive.

If you're struggling to do it then that must tell you something.

It's borderline trolling trying to drift, in drift rooms, with RS tires, no matter how serious you are about it.

Saw someone trying to drift with RS the other day, they just drove round most of the corners at 100mph+ and were out of sight before any type of drift was seen.

Its like trying to eat soup with a fork, yes you can do it, but why ?

Realistic or not, OP wanted to know how make his Subaru slide in racing tires, he never said he will join drift rooms and troll around...

That is the problem with people who reads the lastest posts and think they know the whole thread.

 

[Gonales]

What if a rich guy wants to? His problem, not yours. lol

Yes, it would be his problem, not mine, irl. But ingame... It's my problem as well.

Why use other tires? Maybe because he wants to?

Because it's counterproductive, bordering stupidity.

Realistic or not, OP wanted to know how make his Subaru slide in racing tires, he never said he will join drift rooms and troll around...

Which he will though. Because if nobody states they have an issue with it, what do you think the guy will do? If we don't tell him, who will? Somebody online will.

That is the problem with people who reads the lastest posts and think they know the whole thread.

That's the problem with people that see pictures and think they know it all.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

Yes, it would be his problem, not mine, irl. But ingame... It's my problem as well.

How ingame is your problem? Did he drifted with you? No.

Because it's counterproductive, bordering stupidity.

How so? If he wants to do it, let him! For someone who races, drift is pointless, yet nobody tells you to stop drifting because it is stupidity.

Which he will though. Because if nobody states they have an issue with it, what do you think the guy will do? If we don't tell him, who will? Somebody online will.

And you assumed that biased in which source? Did you talked to him? He said he will join? And, IF he ever does, then let somebody online tell him, simple!

That's the problem with people that see pictures and think they know it all.

n/c.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Yes, it would be his problem, not mine, irl. But ingame... It's my problem as well.

Please. By all means tell me why this your problem.

Because it's counterproductive, bordering stupidity.

So we're stupid. How rude.

 

[D-Max]

Racing soft tires to me feel so grippy its unrealistic, sticking them on a car to drift with is counter productive.

If you're struggling to do it then that must tell you something.

It's borderline trolling trying to drift, in drift rooms, with RS tires, no matter how serious you are about it.

Saw someone trying to drift with RS the other day, they just drove round most of the corners at 100mph+ and were out of sight before any type of drift was seen.

Its like trying to eat soup with a fork, yes you can do it, but why ?

.... Can we ring the bell and say this is a reasonable reply to end on?

A for the OP you will struggle to drift on RS tyres with a Subaru. Or at least, you will struggle to do it with a great and satisfactory outcome. Take it down a tyre grade to Hards or even sports soft?

 

[APXCaramel]

What, if not for meets and comps, is the point of drifting? Isn't it considered a driving style, that's different than normal driving?

Please leave.

or watch this and change your attitude.



I've watched this thread and have kept my mouth shut.

WTF are you drifting for? The comps and meets..... jeez. I didn't know that D1 and Formula Drift came before drifting. What's basketball when you're with 4 of your friends. Basketball. I'm sure the NBA didn't invent basketball and no one is arguing when you use a Soccer ball or kick ball. It's still basketball. So saying drifting with a fictional tire on a simulation game is not drifting is dumb. It's not corner entry to corner exit... that's possibly the worst definition of drifting I've ever heard. Ok, so we are here at Daytona Motor Speedway and we are drifting. Turns 1 and 2 need to be taken all the way around so we can count that as drifting? What if we just goof around in the infield? No turns, no corners to enter or exit. Just sliding sideways and controlling it. What is that called? Because by your definition, it's not drifting. By far some of the most ignorant people can be found drifting. Because you got somewhat good doesn't make you Jesus, The Pope or the President of Earth. It makes you a human who is slightly good at a hobby that has competitions.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

Please leave.

or watch this and change your attitude.

-video-

I've watched this thread and have kept my mouth shut.

WTF are you drifting for? The comps and meets..... jeez. I didn't know that D1 and Formula Drift came before drifting. What's basketball when you're with 4 of your friends. Basketball. I'm sure the NBA didn't invent basketball and no one is arguing when you use a Soccer ball or kick ball. It's still basketball. So saying drifting with a fictional tire on a simulation game is not drifting is dumb. It's not corner entry to corner exit... that's possibly the worst definition of drifting I've ever heard. Ok, so we are here at Daytona Motor Speedway and we are drifting. Turns 1 and 2 need to be taken all the way around so we can count that as drifting? What if we just goof around in the infield? No turns, no corners to enter or exit. Just sliding sideways and controlling it. What is that called? Because by your definition, it's not drifting. By far some of the most ignorant people can be found drifting. Because you got somewhat good doesn't make you Jesus, The Pope or the President of Earth. It makes you a human who is slightly good at a hobby that has competitions.

Well said. 👍

 

[Reddee]

Please leave.

or watch this and change your attitude.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFkRM3WR3tU">YouTube Link</a>

I've watched this thread and have kept my mouth shut.

WTF are you drifting for? The comps and meets..... jeez. I didn't know that D1 and Formula Drift came before drifting. What's basketball when you're with 4 of your friends. Basketball. I'm sure the NBA didn't invent basketball and no one is arguing when you use a Soccer ball or kick ball. It's still basketball. So saying drifting with a fictional tire on a simulation game is not drifting is dumb. It's not corner entry to corner exit... that's possibly the worst definition of drifting I've ever heard. Ok, so we are here at Daytona Motor Speedway and we are drifting. Turns 1 and 2 need to be taken all the way around so we can count that as drifting? What if we just goof around in the infield? No turns, no corners to enter or exit. Just sliding sideways and controlling it. What is that called? Because by your definition, it's not drifting. By far some of the most ignorant people can be found drifting. Because you got somewhat good doesn't make you Jesus, The Pope or the President of Earth. It makes you a human who is slightly good at a hobby that has competitions.

I agree drifting isn't just about comps or sections it's about having fun wether your drifting in open space or drifting sections drifting is drifting period.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

No, it's going from entry of the corner to exit of the corner. I never said I link the back straight of Tsukuba for example... But yes, those are corners, and if by chance they are facing those corners... They can't drift them. I can.

So?

The linking is next sentence, and has nothing to do with the end of the corner. Although, in drifting, it would be considered normal to try and link corners...

It'd be considered normal within the realm of your GT activities. Again, the definition of drifting is much simpler.

I never said I dictate anything mate... Read more ^^ Never said I dictate anything. But he can't either... Or, if he can, so can I. Get the point?

It's ironic you're suggesting I read more when you repeatedly ignore the basic definition of drifting to hold onto your personal one.

Not really. Get into drift lobbies more often, let's see how many people don't kick you instantly.

Because the shared elitist attitude is a good basis for judgement here?

What, if not for meets and comps, is the point of drifting? Isn't it considered a driving style, that's different than normal driving?

You just answered it in your second sentence. It's a driving style. If people get enjoyment out of it (in a game, no less), then it is successful.

As asked before, what is the point of drifting? Getting Racing softs under a car, throw a couple of thousand dollars out of the window in 10 turns?

Enjoyment. Competitions are separate from that.

Yeah, and which compound allows me more oversteer, for longer amounts of time? WHy use a tire that's worse, for both of our definitions of drifting? Because of the speed? If people want speed they should use X1's. Not sideways.

For personal preference. For a change of pace (quite literally). For any myriad reasons; if a person wants to use other tires, and can still have sustained periods of oversteer, then they are succeeding at drifting.

Nice logical jump to the X1 on account of speed.

Yes, it's about all that. If you can't do a section, or hold a decent line, angle and speed for a turn... You will never tandem. And people that think drifting is for just mocking around when you're alone... That's not drifting, that's just acting stupid.

Ah, here we go. Anything that doesn't fit into your definition is "acting stupid". Is this another example of you being allowed to insult others because it's acceptable, in your mind. This is exactly what I'm getting at about dictating, whether it's language, or apparently, drifting.

I don't 'enforce' my ideas on drifting. I just state my opinion about it, in a thread, that imo, ruins the spirit of it all. Yeah, people can slide a bit with the RUF... Try the same with a Silvia S13. It won't drift. A Silvia that won't drift on your tire compounds, means you're on the wrong tire compound.

You resort to insults for those that don't follow your ideas. That's better?

Yes, it would be his problem, not mine, irl. But ingame... It's my problem as well.

How is what he does with his game in any way your problem? Unless he's in a room with you, nothing.

Because it's counterproductive, bordering stupidity.

Ah, there it is again.

So we're stupid. How rude.

This is, sadly, a pretty typical tactic.

 

[MSTER232]

Yes, it would be his problem, not mine, irl. But ingame... It's my problem as well.

I do believe in sensible tyre choice, but when I'm in a lobby and a guy is on RS tyres trying to drift, I don't really care. As long as he stays out of my way and doesn't bump me, we're cool.

How so? If he wants to do it, let him! For someone who races, drift is pointless, yet nobody tells you to stop drifting because it is stupidity.

I will agree with this. If you want to try and drift on Racing tyres, then go ahead but I will warn you that you're going to have a hard time. But just make sure you don't go into a drifting lobby and spoil everything for everyone.

 

[GTWelsh]

Just do it offline, understand that its hard and challenge yourself there, or open a lobby and drift with other like minded RS drifters, put it in the lobby title: "RS tire drifting".

I can't see a reason for joining a room full of C tire drifters on RS, it's pointless because no one else can drift "with" you and you're basically trolling. You'll have the same experience offline except you wont have to play "dodge the car" every 5 seconds.

On these totally valid points which I challenge you to say are wrong, I shouldn't expect to see anyone on RS joining a room where everyone is doing the "normal" thing and using low grip tires.

End the thread now please, I don't see anything productive past this.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

That is the point, OP never said he will do that online. Or even better, he never said he does that. All he asked was help with the setup for his Subaru.

 

[GTWelsh]

That's fine, I don't mind, but all I could see was some kind of argument over the fact its "fine" to drift online with RS tires. I made my points, people agreed, then people didn't, and in my opinion and logic, they must be wrong for the points stated above.

Back to the OP. solid rear suspension and negative toe at the rear, if that doesn't work, soften the front maybe.

Or just use lesser tires at the rear.

EDIT: I wasn't replying to the OP anyway.

 

[Gonales]

Please leave.

or watch this and change your attitude.

I've watched this thread and have kept my mouth shut.

Why should I leave? Just because you guys can't see that drifting RS is ********? Or because I refer to experience, and skills to back up facts?!

WTF are you drifting for? The comps and meets..... jeez. I didn't know that D1 and Formula Drift came before drifting.

What tires did the first drifters use? High end super soft slicks? Or comfort comparable tires?

What's basketball when you're with 4 of your friends. Basketball. I'm sure the NBA didn't invent basketball and no one is arguing when you use a Soccer ball or kick ball. It's still basketball.

Is it still basketball when people use a tennis ball? Or decide to kick the ball?

So saying drifting with a fictional tire on a simulation game is not drifting is dumb. It's not corner entry to corner exit... that's possibly the worst definition of drifting I've ever heard.

It's on wikipedia for crying out loud. What do you think is drifting then? The same thing about car control the other guys said?

Ok, so we are here at Daytona Motor Speedway and we are drifting. Turns 1 and 2 need to be taken all the way around so we can count that as drifting? What if we just goof around in the infield? No turns, no corners to enter or exit. Just sliding sideways and controlling it. What is that called? Because by your definition, it's not drifting.

I'm not sure if I know what section you're on about... (For the guys that gave me puns about using corner names... Voila, this is the reason people do such things.)

Back to the point, I can drift (like most other decent drifters on CH) the long corners on Daytona without an issue. Frankly, I'm sideways 90% of the time, even in the infield. Yes, I can't link everything either, but on grippier compounds it's even worse.

By far some of the most ignorant people can be found drifting. Because you got somewhat good doesn't make you Jesus, The Pope or the President of Earth. It makes you a human who is slightly good at a hobby that has competitions.

I never said I was Jesus... Nor anything else... Don't get so defensive if you're uncertain about your own qualities...

Just wondering... Why the ruddy hell do you think I don't want peopel on RS anyway?! Seriously...

So?

So, what's the point of using grippier tires if it means less time sideways? What is the point of using the tires?

It'd be considered normal within the realm of your GT activities. Again, the definition of drifting is much simpler.

Yes, people do donuts... To learn, warm up cars... Not to call it drifting... Watch youtube videos... Type in: drifting.

It's ironic you're suggesting I read more when you repeatedly ignore the basic definition of drifting to hold onto your personal one.

My personal one? Wikipedia quoted, man... Get over it. -.-

Because the shared elitist attitude is a good basis for judgement here?

No, because he can see what it could be like if he dropped the: 'I want to be special, so I will just screw up people around me because I'm childish' attitude.

You just answered it in your second sentence. It's a driving style. If people get enjoyment out of it (in a game, no less), then it is successful.

Yeah, but why settle for less enjoyment? That's like playing video games on a 20 years old PC.

Enjoyment. Competitions are separate from that.

I know, but don't competitions normally set the standards, for hobbyists as well?

For personal preference. For a change of pace (quite literally). For any myriad reasons; if a person wants to use other tires, and can still have sustained periods of oversteer, then they are succeeding at drifting.

Nice logical jump to the X1 on account of speed.

No, they are failing to match the group. Which, in my opinion goes against everything drifting stands for.

Ah, here we go. Anything that doesn't fit into your definition is "acting stupid". Is this another example of you being allowed to insult others because it's acceptable, in your mind. This is exactly what I'm getting at about dictating, whether it's language, or apparently, drifting.

What's got calling someone acting stupid, to do with dictating? I think he is acting stupid, yes. Does that mean I'm forcing him to do anything? No.

You resort to insults for those that don't follow your ideas. That's better?

I resort to insults for those that go against things, which will only cause negative impact on the community.

How is what he does with his game in any way your problem? Unless he's in a room with you, nothing.

Well, there are chances we might meet. Plus, if he joins a lobby, does his thing, and gets the host annoyed at 'drifters', what do you think happens to the next drifter that joins the lobby?

Ah, there it is again.

Yeah, it is. And it's a fact.

This is, sadly, a pretty typical tactic.

Frankly, typical doesn't seem to apply here. Because I'm not doing anything wrong. Nor anything out of the ordinary.

I do believe in sensible tyre choice, but when I'm in a lobby and a guy is on RS tyres trying to drift, I don't really care. As long as he stays out of my way and doesn't bump me, we're cool.

He WILL hit you. 95% chance. I will bet you my PS3 on it, that whenever you get in a public lobby without limitations, you will get hit.

I will agree with this. If you want to try and drift on Racing tyres, then go ahead but I will warn you that you're going to have a hard time. But just make sure you don't go into a drifting lobby and spoil everything for everyone.

Yeah, and don't call it drifting, you're just gonna scare of people that might be interested, and make them think we're a bunch of uncontrolled idiots.

That is the point, OP never said he will do that online. Or even better, he never said he does that. All he asked was help with the setup for his Subaru.

"However, no matter how I tune my Impreza WRX I cannot seem to get it to lose traction. I know it's possible because I've seen other people doing it. I once saw a guy drifting FF, so I know Racing Soft drifting is possible in AWD. I've done it pretty good on racing hards, just not racing softs."

Quoted the OP. How does man see, other people without being in a lobby with them? He NEVER stated he wouldn't go online. Don't lie :/

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

-psalm 27-5 of Gonales Drift Bible-

Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Wow, just wow...

Edit: Sorry guys, i was lieing, i am such a liar.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Gonales beats me .... I used to promote no ABS in GT5 and I got heated reaction, but this is another level ... I'm speechless. If only Tsuchiya-san is here on GTP ...

I'm going to try to tune Impreza for gymkhana with RS now

 

[APXCaramel]

That was my only shot. I'm not arguing with a moron. I'll drift how I want, with whatever I want, with what tires I want. Because drifting is drifting. No matter how you put it.... Have fun.

 

[13B Drifter]

Let me just ask you then, WHY put your two sense in when
1. Your just causing problems.
2. You can see this is for fun.
3. Everybody is going to bash you for just ruining the mood of having fun.
4. He's asking for a tune and you don't even try to help him at all and just have a bad attitude.

I have seen your post and your attitude problem and frankly you need to change it because not alot of people have respect for you because how you come across on some thing's you say. Its very annoying to see someone try to ask for something or talk about a topic on something that fun and see you come in with your bad attitude and ruin everything, i don't see how this tread has not been closed because of how far you have drug this out of topic

Also i see that you are very cocky acting like your one of the best drifters, i have seen you drift and your not close to the best, yet you act as if you tandem PERFECT and never hit anybody. I have tryed tandeming you and i can't even get close to you because you slow down so much and stall on corners, your very twichy, not a bad sense of line but not that consistent

Your just not what the drift community need's right now seeing as how there have been lots of issues anomg us all, your not the cause of these issues but you contribute quite alot and things are not very KDF when you are around so sorry for the off topic and the rant (witch doesnt matter at this point the whole thread is like this) but im just very frustrated with your attitude and think you should change along with alot of people

 

[Downhill Dino]

Why should I leave? Just because you guys can't see that drifting RS is ********? Or because I refer to experience, and skills to back up facts?!

Third time we must tell you that opinion =/= fact.

It's on wikipedia for crying out loud. What do you think is drifting then? The same thing about car control the other guys said?
...
My personal one? Wikipedia quoted, man... Get over it. -.-

Which is possibly an opinion or someone's own perspective on drifting. That is not how you define things and I've told how Wikipedia is not reputable source. Anyone can go in there and make stuff up. as long as someone agrees, it'll stay up there.

So, what's the point of using grippier tires if it means less time sideways? What is the point of using the tires?

Who cares? Oh, that's right, you do. I'll kneel before you behead me.

Yes, people do donuts... To learn, warm up cars... Not to call it drifting... Watch youtube videos... Type in: drifting.

I think you just missed the point.

No, because he can see what it could be like if he dropped the: 'I want to be special, so I will just screw up people around me because I'm childish' attitude.

But he didn't, YOU did.

Yeah, but why settle for less enjoyment? That's like playing video games on a 20 years old PC.

So you're deciding how he thinks it is? Suddenly because you think it's less enjoyable that it will be less enjoyable for him?

I know, but don't competitions normally set the standards, for hobbyists as well?

Still has the right to play the game how he wants.

No, they are failing to match the group. Which, in my opinion goes against everything drifting stands for.

Never heard about being different? It can be a good thing. Especially in this disastrous community.

Well, there are chances we might meet. Plus, if he joins a lobby, does his thing, and gets the host annoyed at 'drifters', what do you think happens to the next drifter that joins the lobby?

What happens, happens. Maybe he'd learn his lesson. Maybe not. But don't act like he's suddenly going to strut around your silly lobbies when he hasn't done a thing.

Yeah, it is. And it's a fact.

Fourth time, opinion =/= fact

He WILL hit you. 95% chance. I will bet you my PS3 on it, that whenever you get in a public lobby without limitations, you will get hit.

Better grip and control increases the chance of him hitting you? What.

Yeah, and don't call it drifting, you're just gonna scare of people that might be interested, and make them think we're a bunch of uncontrolled idiots.

You aren't...?

"However, no matter how I tune my Impreza WRX I cannot seem to get it to lose traction. I know it's possible because I've seen other people doing it. I once saw a guy drifting FF, so I know Racing Soft drifting is possible in AWD. I've done it pretty good on racing hards, just not racing softs."

Quoted the OP. How does man see, other people without being in a lobby with them? He NEVER stated he wouldn't go online. Don't lie :/

He never stated he would.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

What tires did the first drifters use? High end super soft slicks? Or comfort comparable tires?

Considering how arbitrary and silly the tire compounds are organized in GT5, that's a slippery slope to chose to be on. To say nothing of the fact that CH tires are the lowest-grip tires in the game, and you aren't going to tell me drifters nowadays, or even in the 80's, used the cheapest, crappiest, Wal-Mart spec tires on their cars.

Is it still basketball when people use a tennis ball? Or decide to kick the ball?

Is it basketball when I play with just one friend, or three, instead of five on five?

It's on wikipedia for crying out loud. What do you think is drifting then? The same thing about car control the other guys said?

You're right, it is on Wikipedia. That opening paragraph sure sounds familar.

So, what's the point of using grippier tires if it means less time sideways? What is the point of using the tires?

Just so we're clear then, you must spend every possible chance to get sideways, sideways? If someone wants to use grippier tires, and can still get sideways with them throughout turns, they are drifting. Whether or not they link an entire course together (or indeed, if they even want to) is irrelevant.

My personal one? Wikipedia quoted, man... Get over it. -.-

You're right, it is on Wikipedia. That opening paragraph sure sounds familar.

No, because he can see what it could be like if he dropped the: 'I want to be special, so I will just screw up people around me because I'm childish' attitude.

That's not his attitude. That's you putting your words in his mouth; a childish approach.

Yeah, but why settle for less enjoyment? That's like playing video games on a 20 years old PC.

Who are you to dictate what constitutes less enjoyment for other people? If they get any enjoyment out of drifting on their own terms, then that's satisfactory. Nevermind that miko1337 hasn't even written off CH drifting; he's done it.

I know, but don't competitions normally set the standards, for hobbyists as well?

Not necessarily. I played plenty of hockey casually with friends growing up, and we didn't follow every single rule. More specifically, we didn't refer to others as stupid or idiotic if they didn't.

No, they are failing to match the group. Which, in my opinion goes against everything drifting stands for.

So drifting is about conformity? That's ironic.

What's got calling someone acting stupid, to do with dictating? I think he is acting stupid, yes. Does that mean I'm forcing him to do anything? No.

You've said before that people shouldn't be allowed. You also resort to insults for those that don't conform to your concept of drifting. What does that remind me of? Dictators.

I resort to insults for those that go against things, which will only cause negative impact on the community.

Strange, I don't see that exception anywhere in the AUP. Am I surprised you're finding yet another hypocritical exception to resort to name-calling only when it pleases you? No. Will you be finding infraction points or time away from the site if you continue to fail to talk to others without resorting to petty insults because they don't share your opinions? Yes.

Well, there are chances we might meet. Plus, if he joins a lobby, does his thing, and gets the host annoyed at 'drifters', what do you think happens to the next drifter that joins the lobby?

There are endless possible answers to that question. So I fail to see the point.

Yeah, it is. And it's a fact.

It is indeed a sad fact that you again think it's acceptable for you to resort to insults (and only you). It isn't, and it won't be happening again.

Frankly, typical doesn't seem to apply here. Because I'm not doing anything wrong. Nor anything out of the ordinary.

Wrong, yes. Out of the ordinary, for you? No.

Gonales beats me .... I used to promote no ABS in GT5 and I got heated reaction, but this is another level ... I'm speechless. If only Tsuchiya-san is here on GTP ...

I'm going to try to tune Impreza for gymkhana with RS now

Chances are, you probably didn't call the people who still did use ABS stupid or idiots.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Chances are, you probably didn't call the people who still did use ABS stupid or idiots.

They were more like persistent persuasion no name calling of course, but I often make no ABS posts that irritates certain people, and they often make rude/sarcasm response, but I always keep my cool, anyway those days are over now.

I am active in a couple of "no ABS" threads, answering questions, giving tips, opening up public rooms for practice, basically doing it than talk about it. It's better that way. I also drift from time to time in GT5.

 

[GTWelsh]

Right, RS drifting is fine, daft (See quote), but fine, just don't join others in low grip online drift rooms. Deal ?

Its like trying to eat soup with a fork, yes you can do it, but why ?

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