Rally Cars - no tarmac look/set up, stuck with gravel incarnation!

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You are probably familiar with the rally cars in the game, most notably the premium models - current (actually already former) stars on the WRC arena - the Focus WRC and C4 WRC.

Their purpose in the game obviously is to participate in the gravel/ice/snow events and to be driven on this kind of tracks. The models are magnificent and recreate very well the cars in their gravel incarnation - undersized 15" rims with Pirelly Scorpion gravel tires, ultra high ride height, flappy :) mud flaps, etc.

Well, this gravel incarnation looks totally ridiculous on the road/track/asphalt. The cars look like buggies - weird and out of place and reality. I've seen those IRL in both incarnations. On the tarmac, the rally cars (e.g. Focus, C4) are ultra low and planted. Fron splitter is kissing the road, ride hight is low, but planted, tires are 18" / 235 width - the whole thing looks very cool and totally different.

I really wish, we could see those cars with a tarmac set up as well. I hoped that if I change the rims (obviously the 15" Scorpions) with something from the shop, it will do the trick. Well, not possible.

Too pity IMO. I wonder if anybody has noticed this and have the same feeling.

P.S. Same is valid for the default suspension set up. It's for gravel. Make sure you tune it properly if you are going to use one of these on a track!
 
The suspension can be adjusted to fit tarmac settings.

But I agree that the rally cars should be modeled with tarmac wheels to conform with the surface (like the road cars receive rally wheels when equipped whit snow or dirt tires).
 
Definitely it is annoying....GT5 is surprising in these ways that they can be so anal retentive in some aspect and so careless in others...
 
I totally agree with the OP, I noticed this too, and I won't drive premium WRC cars on tarmac because it looks so wrong. Some of the standard WRC cars come with tarmac wheels and they have smaller versions of the same wheel for the gravel, this must be the only case where standards have better look over premium.
 
Do you remember you can have different rims for different tyres in GT4?

Another miss in GT5?

+1

I was wondering what happened to that as well, tried it, in case that lil' feature was still in the game ....bummer, was maybe hoping I could have 2 different sets of rims on my vehicles.
 
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I was wondering what happened to that as well, tried it, in case that lil' feature was still in the game ....bummer, was maybe hoping I could have 2 different sets of rims on my vehicles.

I think this should be a bit different than the way it is now.

Now we can buy a rim for a car (only one at a time) and buy different tyres for the car too.

When we buy a car it should come with standard rims and tyres attached to the rim (no to the car). We should be able to buy more than a rim for that car and to attach a type of tyres on that rim.

When we will go to race, we will choose the rims (and therefore the tyres) to race with.
 
WRC is another license completely messed up by PD. They seem to have marketed it completely with racing on tarmac circuits, not on purpose rally stages. Not surprising though because the few rally circuits that are in the game are pretty bad, and the co-driver is awful. 2 Right. 4 Left. 7 Right. Yeah, I can see that for myself in the map. How about whether it's over a crest, can I cut it or not, tightens or opens?
 
Rally car in real dont change much on tarmac neither except for more grippy tire.

It's rally car it's how they are made, they can't rebuild the car for tarmac you know~
 
Rally car in real dont change much on tarmac neither except for more grippy tire.

It's rally car it's how they are made, they can't rebuild the car for tarmac you know~

Yes you're right, they don't rebuild the whole car, but they do change the wheels, suspension and brakes.
 
Dirt
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Tarmac
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Yes you're right, they don't rebuild the whole car, but they do change the wheels, suspension and brakes.

Sure they change suspension wheel and brakes every rally actually tarmac or not.

But the car parts stay the same they change the tuning of the car but I doubt they use different type of suspension for snow dirt etc.. I would be surprise if the FIA let them actually. But I dont know enough about rally to be sure at 100%. I know they use 15' wheel too on tarmac tho. That's 100% sure.
 
Rally car in real dont change much on tarmac neither except for more grippy tire.

It's rally car it's how they are made, they can't rebuild the car for tarmac you know~

A tarmac setup is completely different to a gravel one, far beyond the tyres.
 
Sure they change suspension wheel and brakes every rally actually tarmac or not.

But the car parts stay the same they change the tuning of the car but I doubt they use different type of suspension for snow dirt etc.. I would be surprise if the FIA let them actually. But I dont know enough about rally to be sure at 100%. I know they use 15' wheel too on tarmac tho. That's 100% sure.
They use different shocks and springs, bigger brakes so the parts are not the same, but the rules of these things might have changed since but thats how it was. I've never seen a WRC car with anything less than 17"- 18" wheels on a tarmac only event. I think they would be at a big disadvantage because the brakes would be too small.
 
I think, they use the same suspension system for tarmac as for gravel. They do not have special suspensions for tarmac as for gravel.

Their brakes and suspension is fully settable, so they can use it where ever they want.
 
I'll have to check after work today, but when I was setting up my Subby in GT auto, I was able to get the large rim, tarmac look......
 
Ok I looked for it and you're right lol my bad.

205/65R15 for usual rally
235/40Zr18 for tarmac

So yeah I was enteriely wrong.
 
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some of you people have no idea what your talking bout... do you think they could set up a gt car to run on gravel on its standard setup??? no... same for a wrc car, you need different struts, with softer/harder bump and rebound, and gravel setup would need a hell of a lot more travel.. remember kids, just because you play gran turismo, it dont make you a motor racing expert....
i have worked on rally car suspension when i use to work for gaz shocks.. and a team will order different sets for different stages..
 
I have a Subaru Impreza Rally car '01 and i noted it changed rims size. After installing dirt tires, it had small rims. Then when I took it to GTAuto and I noted the rims were bigger.
 
Hmm, I was trying to upload some pictures but no luck. Anyway, suspension sets, brakes, wheels, underfloor shield, etc. are completely different for tarmac and gravel. Actually, the whole strut comes as a single unit (spring, damper, wheel hub and brake) and they can replace it in 30 seconds! I've seen it, I wanted to share some pics.

Also, the factory teams, actually do have different bodies/chassis for gravel and tarmac events. Smaller teams use the same car, but with different suspension sets. They are completely different, believe me. It's like comparing a Ford GT suspension and Ford F150 suspension.
 
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