Rally drifting vs touge drifting

[Enzo_Guy]

THIS IS NOT A 4WD VS FR DRIFTING THREAD, KEEP THE 4WD FLAME WAR ELSEWHERE! THIS IS A DISCUSSION OF TWO DISTINCT DRIVING STYLES THAT INVOLVE GOING SIDEWAYS DURING A RACE. Remember, rally was around long before the Ur-Quattro and there are plenty of RWD rally racers and rally-based production vehicles in this game. Also keep in mind this is in relation racing and not drifting competitions or tandem, so whether you would use a 4WD car or not is pointless.

I'm predominantly a rally racer and I was in a shuffle race on Eiger Short Track reverse with a friend who is heavily involved in drifting both in-game and in his real cars. He pulled his beloved FD RX-7 while I was reunited with my old friend the Lancia Delta (both of us on G27 wheels with no aids/ABS). I was on his rear bumper by the last lap headed up the hill. He stepped the rear out slightly and kept on the throttle into the first left-hander hairpin. I went no brake, quick flick, throttle to the floor as I ripped uphill sideways with my grille 6 inches off the wall the whole way. I passed him on the inside pouring smoke like a locomotive, pulled the same maneuver on the rest of the hairpins, then watched as he shot by on the uphill straight and won the race.

This had us wondering, what are the real differences between rally drifting and touge drifting? We decided it's like a surgeon and a maximum security prisoner, both can remove your heart but in very different ways. His style is smooth, focused, and precise. If I'm in a rally-based car it's as precise as a sledgehammer: smoke everywhere, throttle WFO, push it to the redline until I win or I wreck.

What's the community's opinion on the contrast between having a touge driver or a rally driver (whether he's in a 4WD or not) behind the wheel and how do you think their techniques are going to differ?

 

[Nismo34]

Considering if you watch rally etc, they tend to avoid sliding around as it slows them down, Hairpins kind of being an exception as being 4WD, they can flick around the apex and accelerate out of the corner faster than normally driving around the Hairpin.. I dont know how this wont end up a 4WD Vs Rwd flame war to be completely honest, you're comparing a predominately 4WD style of driving against a predominately RWD style of driving..

 

[devintheninja]

Lol this question can be answered easily with an episode of initial D as they have answered this before.

But seriously, lets focus on the pros and cons of each styles driving. A rally car driver is probably more aware of the type of surface he is running on because they run on different types. His style maybe more defensive when going head2head or maybe aggressive. Now your touge driver, who races on tarmac on a regular may just be offensive as in putting pressure on the other being that touge drivers are usually right next to each other and may also be able to adapt to the rally drivers style much faster. These are my opinions, tally drivers are aggressive and usually don't mind making contact to another driver but you can't rule them out for that as they will take the fast line possible. Same goes for the touge driver, you may not get the contact but you'll get the fastest line with "flare"

 

[TakumiFuji01]

Man, I can't think of what I'm gonna type lol.
Terms of driving skill obviously

 

[Shadow1130]

Ok. I dont know alot of real life drifting knowledge. But I would like to know, in the 2nd video, Why was his tire sparking? As he would drift the bottom of the tire would shoot sparks, either rocks on the road or something else I am unaware of. Just a question

Edit: I typed this as I was watching. I just seen his tire bust. So it might have been so bald to the point the metal wiring inside the tire was sparking with the ground.

 

[Stavingo]

I don't think you can exactly compare the two, but this thread will turn out interesting.

Ok. I dont know alot of real life drifting knowledge. But I would like to know, in the 2nd video, Why was his tire sparking? As he would drift the bottom of the tire would shoot sparks, either rocks on the road or something else I am unaware of. Just a question

Edit: I typed this as I was watching. I just seen his tire bust. So it might have been so bald to the point the metal wiring inside the tire was sparking with the ground.

That's what usually happens when you ride on a burst tire, your rims get screwed over and start sparking.

 

[ZSPaulus]

I don't think you can exactly compare the two, but this thread will turn out interesting.



That's what usually happens when you ride on a burst tire, your rims get screwed over and start sparking.

Nah it was just the iron threading inside the tire. Its exposed after wearing out the tire. If you keep drifting the tire wil eventually burst. As it did in the awesome vid by the way..

Too bad we arent allowed to post videos of RL stuff in here..

 

[Lazy Liquid]

I readed "Bully Drifting".

Maybe because i played about more than 10 hours of Bully (PC game) yesterday.

 

[GODfreyGT5]

Yeah, the sparks are from the Tyre not the rim (as I too used to think).

I only worked this out when watching a video about how tyres are re-treaded, and it mentioned the metal threading that is a few layers into the rubber to add support.

 

[mcgloney]

I thought people would know that about metal wires being in the tyre. But yeah chris nailed it.

As for comparing rally and touge is not that easy. There isn't no straight answer. Similar but rally has the edge of learning different levels of grip more so than a touge driver. I can see where you coming from but just leave the styles by themselfs than to try compare them or whatever.

 

[Blurr905]

Too be fair you don't actually have to drift in touge. From personal experience I find trying to drift around every corner wears out tires quick and slows you down, but a carefully placed drift will actually make you faster. When it comes to difference of styles between rally and touge, I think it really comes down to just the driver and what they're familiar with. I use a lot of 4WD in touge, and hardly ever try to drift unless its a hairpin. When I'm running a RWD Im drifting a little more just because of the way the car handles. You can't get mad angle in touge otherwise you're going to slow down way too much. Most people use drifting in touge as a defensive driving technique anyways.

 

[Machate-man]

In a way, they're both similar.

They both are meant to go 'round as fast as possible whilst at the limit of control.

However, sadly, their use ends up being determined by their drivetrains.

4WD drifting is primarily meant so that the car is positioned and pointed in the right direction so that the traction can be fully utilized at the exit of a corner.

RWD drifting is quite different; It can be used both as a defensive measure, as well as a way to completely use the grip from the tyres. If you can achieve that 12-15% tyre slip in a drift, then you are using all of the grip in the tyres, and are going 'round the corner faster.

This only applies to tarmac though...

On the subject of their styles (Rally vs Touge) Rally drivers usually don't shoot for contact, and rarely face it in their races; Therefore they focus more on their line and going fast.

Touge, on the other hand, has your rival usually up right next to you and requires much more strategy to be successful. Contact may be intentional or accidental, but should be ruled in for your list of variables.

To adress the OP: Your question still has more to do with drivetrain rather than style of racing. It's situational.

 

[Shadow1130]

Too be fair you don't actually have to drift in touge. From personal experience I find trying to drift around every corner wears out tires quick and slows you down, but a carefully placed drift will actually make you faster. When it comes to difference of styles between rally and touge, I think it really comes down to just the driver and what they're familiar with. I use a lot of 4WD in touge, and hardly ever try to drift unless its a hairpin. When I'm running a RWD Im drifting a little more just because of the way the car handles. You can't get mad angle in touge otherwise you're going to slow down way too much. Most people use drifting in touge as a defensive driving technique anyways.

Exactly what I was going to bring up In Touge racing they don't always drift. The drift is used as a defensive technique around some corners to block the path of the road and stop the rear car from passing or by ruining his line making him slow down.

 

[GODfreyGT5]

Touge drifting is not the same as Touge driving/racing



As with any other hard-surface racing, it's all the same techniques.

Racing lines, slow in fast out etc etc, so I have NO idea what the point of this thread is!

Is the OP just asking how does driving on dirt differ to driving on tarmac?

 

[pergatory]

There's no fundamental difference; just, as you said, that tarmac drifters tend to have a little more finesse, while rally drivers tend to follow the rally motto of "floor it and work from there." Left-foot braking is common in rally for example, primarily with AWDs, but you'll rarely see that in tarmac drifting. Rally drivers aren't trying to look good.