rally to hightech these days?

Alot dont agree with me im sure but i think rally racing has really gotten way to high tech and expensive. Yes it is still the greatest motorsport ever but no one execpt major companies can even touch in upper rallying with all the $100,000+ electronic systems they run in the cars now. I miss the good old rwd and fwd big time rallies and even Group B ( not that they werent high tech at the time). But i really miss all that and i find enjoy watching old rally tapes i have more then the new WRC races on speed, execpt maybe the US nationals where there are still smaller time drivers running in rwd class. Enough of the blab but lemme know your opinion on if you think the old rallies were more exciting or not.
 
Yes!

I thihnk that manufacturers should be forced to run what their showcar is, minus th interior trima nd add a rollcage...it would make better marketing, and we'd find out who's car is actually better, instead of $10,000 citreons being modded with AWD and turbos...meanwhile Subaru is just chucking a modded WRX out there and having fun..
 
Agreed 👍
But making it more technologic, more teams can enter and test their cars (who otherwise would never enter in the WRC). And at the same time make the sport too expensive, scaring some manufacturers away...
It has a good and a bad side. I also prefer watching old videos because it was more "human"... those days it's more "pc chips", but is fun too...
The Lancer and the Impreza are the only cars who could rally for real, not modding it...right?
And do there really exists a 4wd Peugeot 206?
 
i heard they clamped down on how much electronics they could have for this season. i know last season i would see them flipping switches all the time. and this season they took some of that away from them. correct me if im wrong.
 
I'm not so sure about that (At least I haven't heard that anywhere), but I agree that there is too much electronics involved. I mean, the driver still does a lot and differences have been reduced, but there is aproblem on the horizont - factories are getting out of WRC ... and that is not good.
 
dkstz
And do there really exists a 4wd Peugeot 206?
Not from the factory.
This is probably old news to most of you:
To cut budgets, they're introducing a spec gearbox that all the teams will use.
Unfortunatly, it's transverse! Subaru's screwed!
There's probably some discussion of this on the forum already, I just thought it was worth mentioning in this thread.
 
Im glad to see to see a fair amount of rally fans agree with me. But there aint alot of rally fans on this forum over all i guess either lol. long live rallying over 50 years sideways



BTw: anyone know where online with fair prices of rally videos and DVDs in the US format? Not stores around here sell any rally videos anymore and even online i havnt found many that arent $20 plus.
 
Emohawk
Unfortunatly, it's transverse! Subaru's screwed!

May i ask why? sorry, i dont know much about what subaru are using or what transverse gearboxes have to do with them.

heh... :dunce:
 
its like How the trany sits in the car. Transaxle is what most rwds have meaning the tranns is below/behindish the engine ( best wat to define where it is lol) and from there goes back to the rear. In a transverse the transmission is i guess you could say sideways, this is what fwd cars use, so it goes over to the front wheels or on Subarus case all 4. Im pretty sure i explained it right or o mad an ass of myself :dunce: correct me if im wrong cause
 
Omnis
May i ask why? sorry, i dont know much about what subaru are using or what transverse gearboxes have to do with them.

heh... :dunce:

well, in a transverse gearbox, i think it means how it sits in the car, like a transverse mounted engine. like the gearbox sits sideways in the car. the evo 8 has a transverse mounted engine, if you open the hood, and look at the car from the front, the cylinders are in a row sideways, not up and down. think of a bar with gears on it sitting in the car, with one end on the passenger side, and the other end on the drivers side, the bar would be transverse mounted. if the bar with gears on it had one end near the front of the car, and the other end near the rear, it would not be transverse mounted, it would be longitudinally mounted. the subaru engine is longitudinally mounted, and its gear box is also longitudinally mounted.

anyway, about the transverse mounted engine thing, where did you get this info? even if it starts out as a transverse tranny, i think there would be a way to fit it on subarus.
 
Still, I think it's not great idea to heave same gearbox. Especially since Peugeot has invested so much in their brand new 4 gear thing ... But if they all have to use that gearbox then Subaru will have to do some serious work on the car...
 
I have to agree that WRC cars are getting to hightech. The other problem I have with the WRC is that the stages are so short. There are no really long stages anymore, that I know of. The WRC is more like a sprint and not an endurance race like it used to be.


-Lemke-
 
Lemke
I have to agree that WRC cars are getting to hightech. The other problem I have with the WRC is that the stages are so short. There are no really long stages anymore, that I know of. The WRC is more like a sprint and not an endurance race like it used to be.


-Lemke-

Yes!! Now they run around 20 stages, with a total timed distance of about 300-350km... If they used to run less stages and greater distances would be better.
My opinion, rally should be tougher.
 
A lot of people from the USA posting on this thread, so its understandable that just about the only rally action you get to see on TV is the WRC.

Which is a shame, because what you are all asking for, production cars with just the safety equipment fitted still very much exists in the world of rallying, its called the Production World Rally Championship (PWRC); also you have the Juniour World Rally Championship (JWRC), which runs FWD 1.6litre cars. These two championships follow the WRC, competing on about half the rallys each year.

You can find info on both of these at the WRC website.

JWRC Info

PWRC Info

In addition almost every country runs its own national rally series, the USA having the very good SCCA events (we even get them on TV here in the UK), try and get along to something like this if you can.

SCCA Rally info

You also need to remember that the WRC has always represented the highest level of technology avaliable for the cars, the Audi quattro use of 4wd and turbo charging was a major techological leap. Group B cars carried technology that was advanced even beyond the F1 cars of the same period, the WRC has always been about pushing the limits of the technology avaliable.

To complain that the WRC is too high tech is like complaining that F1 is to high tech. Striping back the level of technology in the WRC would just make the WRC another version of the PWRC.

On the subject of the rally length, the special stages (closed road - maximum speed) sections have got slightly shorter over the last few decades, but not (on average) by as much as you would imagine. The part that has changed is the road sections between the special stages, these now are shorter runs that simply link up the specials. In the past they used to be huge runs.

As an example, the old RAC Rally GB that I used to watch as a 7 year old with my dad (i'm now 34) started in Scotland and covered the entire UK on the road stages, the rally also ran for five days rather than the normal three days now. Some of these changes are simply down to commercial pressure and the requirements of global TV audiences.

Just to give you an idea of the length of drive a WRC driver and co-driver face, the 2003 Propecia Rally New Zealand covered a total of 1299kms over the three days, of which 403.24km were special stages (22 in total). Now in anyones book thats one hell of a demanding schedule to keep to and drive competatively, BTW the above distances are typical of a modern WRC event.
 
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