RB26DETT swap with non-Nissan cars

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First of all,I'm sorry if this thread was posted somewhere else already.If it was posted somewhere else,tell me and post the link to the page.I was thinking,is there any other car which could go for a rb26dett swap?Even though i'm still ineligible to drive yet (i'm still 15,going to be 16 in a few weeks time...) but i just want to know a few things (before i get a car):
a)what type of car could fit a rb26dett engine?
b)is it reliable compared to other engines?
c)how much does it cost to buy the engine?
and d)which of these cars could fit the engine? (if any)
  • Mitsubishi Mirage Cyborg 91'-95 (aka Proton Satria in Malaysia)
  • Mini Cooper
  • Volkswagen Beetle
or any car within that budget.....

Any comments and criticism is appreciated ;)
 
I would say that the engine bay of the mirage would be too small without some modification to the firewall (if you are going to mount it in its current N-S layout rather than transverse). However, another option would be a Mistubishi EVO engine conversion as this is pretty much a bolt in. You can also fairly easily transfer the 4wd running gear which would help with getting the power to the ground.
 
a)what type of car could fit a rb26dett engine?
b)is it reliable compared to other engines?
c)how much does it cost to buy the engine?
and d)which of these cars could fit the engine? (if any)
  • Mitsubishi Mirage Cyborg 91'-95 (aka Proton Satria in Malaysia)
  • Mini Cooper
  • Volkswagen Beetle


Any comments and criticism is appreciated ;)
a) donno
b) go over 400bhp and say goodbye to it(quote from a guy that tunes skylines and has 2 of his own)
c)seen them from between 500-3000gbp
d) if you replace the rear seats with it
 
b) go over 400bhp and say goodbye to it(quote from a guy that tunes skylines and has 2 of his own)

400.....He mustn't tune them very well.
 
400.....He mustn't tune them very well.

he does,i was refering to the bullet proof reliability that you might expect from a Japanese engine i.e it never will go wrong,once you go above 400 then you might start getting some issues with it.
 
he does,i was refering to the bullet proof reliability that you might expect from a Japanese engine i.e it never will go wrong,once you go above 400 then you might start getting some issues with it.


No engine 'will never go wrong' and is 'bullet proof', even factory standard engines are not idiot proof.

Stock internal RB26 can take 400hp reliably no problems, there is tons of proof on Skyline, Nissan, general Aust/NZ car enthusist, car club forums and websites (and on the street). Sure sometimes problems do occur, these most due to bad maintainance (eg dirty MAF from old/bad aftermarket filters causing leaning, lack of servicing etc) or just aging parts (eg igntion missing due to cracked insulation on the old heat soaked coilpacks, low fuel pressure due to old fuel pump etc). I have worked on many RB's (including my own) and are around them all the time on the street and in a tuning shop and saying 'goodbye' over 400hp is plainly wrong.



Saying all this they are a good engine, but I don't recommend them for the type of swaps the original poster is thinking. Sure they are strong and can provide loads of power but they are quite expensive, long I6 design (bad for small cars) and being a strong iron block are fairly heavy.
 
Stick a 6G63T from the Evo IV GSR along with the running gear. They go.
 
400bhp from an RB series engine is a cake-walk. Most iron blocks (6cyl/8cyl) with a decent set of heads will easily handle that much power. I'd start worrying about reliability problems upwards of 550bhp. And even then if driven maturely shouldn't be a problem. Driving like a teenager will ruin ANY engine of ANY configuration from ANY manufacturer.

*edit*
Oh and on topic, I'd love to see a RWD 2006 Maxima conversion with the RB26DETT stuffed under the bonnet. THAT would be sick.
 
400.....He mustn't tune them very well.

Haha yea thats what I was thinking. I think the standard block can handle around 800bhp, thats what people tell me anyway...

I suppose you could fit any engine in most cars in an MR format and a LOT of hard work and planning??? Or is it not as simple as that?


You must be loaded if you think you can have a RB26DETT after you pass. Insurance will kill you and for a good reason too.
 
Thanks for the reply guy,hope this does clear me up a little bit.About this engine swap thing,i wanted to see if its possible to fit bigger displacement engines onto smaller chassis cars.I can clearly see that it could be done,but take a lot of effort to do it.Clearly 500-3000gbp is quite a lot (x7.8 it could cost between RM3900 and 23400) but still considered cheap compared to buying an actual JDM car (a GT-R (R34) could cost around RM250000+ here).also that a rb26dett is a common engine swap for cars other than nissan (could be the most common engine swap,next to a k20a orb18c engine)And whats up with this "go over 400bhp and say goodbye to it"?Are you referring to the 400hp with no internal modification?If so,then it maybe possible to blow the engine (the 2JZ-GTE is well-known for requiring no internal modification to cope with the stress associated with high-boosting turbines.But i can't afford to swap and its a rare engine to swap)a rb engine in a mirage is out of the question (better to go with a 6G63T for that car) and about the beetle,if you could put a Winsor engine (or any muscle car engine)than is it also possible to put a rb engine as well?
 
If you want some fun stick a SR20DET in a Nissan Micra. Not that hard either, engine mounts are in the same position.
 
I'm just going to put this out there.


You are fifteen years old, looking at $20,000 cars (FWD ones even), and planning to put either V8s or RB26s in them. It isn't going to happen unless you are really that rich.
 
I'm just going to put this out there.


You are fifteen years old, looking at $20,000 cars (FWD ones even), and planning to put either V8s or RB26s in them. It isn't going to happen unless you are really that rich.

Concur, not going to happen anytime soon unless you're that rich.
 
Look,i'm only 15 (or 16 whichever way you look).I still got 3 years before i even get to go to collage.(or even getting a job) right now i just want to get a good calculation on how much i need to spend.And no i'm not rich.(i'm just living in a middle-class family)But you know,i could budget on how much to spend.If i buy a 2nd hand car and do the rb swap,(which cost around RM40-50,000.Its 13,046.11 USD or 6,529.527 GBP) its still cheaper than buying a 2nd hand tuner car (which cost starts around RM200,000.Its around 57,981.11 USD or 29,019.104 GBP) let alone a brand new car....
 
Engine swaps are done either as neat ideas, or as last resorts for getting the absolute most out of a chassis. Not as a "necessity" for turning a cheap used car into a "tuner" car. It's just too impractical in most cases (especially putting a long straight-six designed for RWD/AWD into the cars you listed in the first post), and although you may not get the same amount of horsepower, tuning what you already have is almost always a cheaper and more sensible option.

I understand you're young and excited about the idea of having a cool car, but really, unless you have a lot of money and a lot of mechanical know-how, just driving what you end up with and enjoying it for what it is will be more than enough. I guarantee it.

We car enthusiasts are who we are because we enjoy driving, not because we all build our cars up to make them enjoyable to drive. Think about that.
 
Ok Wolfe,i know where your going with this and i clearly understand what are you saying.I just want a car than is daily driven and a street performer as well.But to be honest,this rb crap is just too far ahead of what i want in a car.Powerful,yes.High insurance,yes.Getting busted for street racing and have your drivers license suspended,indefinitely.I guess its just too much for a person like me to think of something.I do really want a volkswagen beetle for many reasons.Mainly because it was the easiest car to maintain and modify (and cheap,for a European car at least).Don't laugh if i say this but "is it possible to drift a Volkswagen Beetle?"I mean,is it?(thats why i was asking if a rb engine could fit into a beetle.for more power of course)I never seen anyone (that i know of) drifting with a beetle.Could there be another cheaper RWD cars or is it cheaper to convert a car to RWD?(i do really feel like an idiot if i don't shut up!)
 
Engine swaps are done either as neat ideas, or as last resorts for getting the absolute most out of a chassis. Not as a "necessity" for turning a cheap used car into a "tuner" car. It's just too impractical in most cases (especially putting a long straight-six designed for RWD/AWD into the cars you listed in the first post), and although you may not get the same amount of horsepower, tuning what you already have is almost always a cheaper and more sensible option.

I understand you're young and excited about the idea of having a cool car, but really, unless you have a lot of money and a lot of mechanical know-how, just driving what you end up with and enjoying it for what it is will be more than enough. I guarantee it.

We car enthusiasts are who we are because we enjoy driving, not because we all build our cars up to make them enjoyable to drive. Think about that.

Rep to you Wolfe for that. Perfectly stated I feel.

Engines swaps are only really an option if you absolutely love the chassis for some reason, or if its an easy, direct swap. Having done an engine swap, and helped on a couple of others and such, they are a huge amount of work. Even for engines that bolt directly up, due to wiring and piping. For what I spent on doing my swap, I could have gotten more power from doing a cheap turbo kit on my MR2, its just I want to eventually go further with the car, because I love it. This will entail alot more work, as I'll have to get a stronger transmission, redo the bell housing on it, possibly different drive axles, redoing the shift gates in the car to accommodate a possible 6th gear. And thats just what I know will have to be done to support building the engine, not the actual building it part. It would easier, probably cheaper, and I would get more power just to get a 2nd generation MR2 turbo :indiff:

The cars you mentioned would be 8 times more work, as almost EVERYTHING would have to be custom made, from suspension parts to drive trains. To due those swaps, expect be an expert metal worker, or spend several grand just getting parts fabricated. Then there is the engine, wiring, labor, and so on. That, and you might just twist the chassis on those cars with a big engine. You might not realize this, but 200 HP is alot for a small car, and 400 HP is just kinda absurd in most things.

If you want to do an engine swap, stick with something has is commonly done for your first project. Such as basic engine swaps for Civics, Lancers, Sentras, Corollas and such. It will make your life easier for a first car, and you'll find fixing stuff you break (and you will break stuff) cheaper.

That said, Wolfe had another excellent point about enjoying a car. A fast car does not mean a fun car, and a fun car does not have to be fast. One of my favorite cars to drive was a 94 Tercel, because it was cheap and light. Sure, it had a whole 84 HP (new, probably 70 when I got it), had a 4speed manual and was a total econo box. But it was fun because I could go drive on dirt and snow and not worry about it, parts where cheap. My MR2 is fun, but driving feels like a chore at times because it just can't go on dirt or snow with the suspension. So keep that in mind to when you look at cars.

EDIT: mnm_bmx... VW beetle drifting.

 
Thanks Azuremen. :)

is it possible to drift a Volkswagen Beetle?
With enough extra power, yes. I was actually going to post the video that Azuremen did. :lol:

If you really like the Beetle and can find one for a reasonable price (and what I'm about to say is going to go against my previous post), it's actually quite common and relatively easy to swap in a Subaru flat-4 for an easy power gain.

Could there be another cheaper RWD cars or is it cheaper to convert a car to RWD?(i do really feel like an idiot if i don't shut up!)
I'm not familiar with the market in your area, but chances are good that you could find something even cheaper than the Beetle (keeping in mind that a "cheap" Beetle will likely require a lot of work to get it into good shape).

Many Japanese cars built before the mid-1980s were RWD, and a few sportier models stuck to that drivetrain layout (Fairlady Z, Supra, Silvia, etc.). BMWs from the '80s and older have become rather affordable, and the same can be said of a select few Mercedes-Benz and Porsche models. Even Volvos used to be RWD.

There's a lot to choose from, and I know nothing about what you like or what's available to you, so maybe you should peruse a list of RWD cars yourself and see what you like. You may be surprised by some of the entries there.

One thing's for certain -- converting a car from FWD to RWD is neither easy nor cheap.
 
Well,thanks again Wolfe and Azuremen.I couldn't have thought of it without you guys.Well,i think a Beetle should be a good car for beginners,especially for me (i think)But Wolfe(or Azuremen),is the Beetle in the video had an engine swap?Judging from the engine note,it was not a stock engine.Speaking of engines,is it better to swap a Bettle engine for a Flat 4 or Boxer engine than other engines?I found a 70's Beetle for about RM15000 (or 4,353.39 USD) do you think its reasonable?But i can't buy it just yet(for obvious reasons) And by the way,what does +rep means?(i still don't know anything around here....)
 
Even an I4 won't fit in a Beetle, much less an I6. Be prepared to get a 914 transmission and turning that engine around unless you want to chop a section out of the clip and have a butt load of engine hanging out giving it even more of the rear-ward weigh distribution that Volkswagen took extremes to stop with the original car. You'd basically have to cut a hole in the back for the engine to go through, ultimately destroying the point of having a rear seat. Stick to using flat-4's. The Type 1 and Type 4 engines are great, although the Type 4 engine is heavier. Subaru swaps are common too, but again heavy. The coolest idea I've ever seen was a rotary powered Beetle. Super lite, extremely powerful!
 
Cheap RWD cars that a RB can fit into easly?
EASY! Try another Nissan... 240SX or really any Nissan sports car can be fit with one. And a 240SX can come really cheap. Dirt cheap without a engine if you go to the right areas...
 
sorry, a beetle for 4500 is a rip off, its a tin can.
 
Going back to Wolfes post about how small cars can be fun... Ive heard that the old Golf Mk1 GTi are cool little cars, not sure about price though.
 
Why is that a problem? And, no, I'm not trying to use the word "fetch".
Just a guess.

Going back to Wolfes post about how small cars can be fun... Ive heard that the old Golf Mk1 GTi are cool little cars, not sure about price though.
They are indeed light, fun little cars, but mnm_bmx seems to be insistent on RWD.
 
a) donno
b) go over 400bhp and say goodbye to it(quote from a guy that tunes skylines and has 2 of his own)

Your friend sucks at tuning RB's, then. JUN's R33 Skyline runs 1000bhp, and has over 40,000km's at that hp setup. Nothing more than regular maintenance has been performed on the vehicle.


Now, in response to the original post:
1. You'll need a car with a fairly large engine bay. If you're staying with a Nissan chassis, cars like the Z-series (Fairlady), Skyline series, and bigger bodied sedans (Cefiro, Stagea (wagon), etc...) will, for the most part, be your only options.

2. RB's can be quite reliable, given the driving circumstances, as well as, who built/maintained the drivetrain.

3. RB's are quite costly. RB20's can go for about $2500, RB25's usually cost $3500+, and RB26's rarely come for less than $5000.

4. None of those cars will fit an RB26 without cutting the firewall out, and making room for the engine to sit in.

Gashlycrumb: That's not an easy swap at all. First of all, you're looking at a large amount of money to extend the nose to allow for the front portion of the RB's transmission to mate with the existing hubs (since the RB's engine sits much farther forward compared to the Mitsubishi's), which would make the car look ridiculous. Secondly, you'd have to cut the floor pan to allow for transmission clearance, otherwise the only way to clear the transmission, would be to sit it lower in the chassis, and basically have it sitting on the ground at stock suspension height. Definitely not a smart swap idea at all.


PS. I guarantee that, with a car budget like that, there's no way you'll have an RB swap in the next 5 years, short of losing a relative that sends you money. You're looking at at least $20,000 just to get the engine running in a different car, since there's really no company that makes parts for the swaps. You'll be looking at 100% custom components, which are NOT cheap (spoken from experience, since I have an engine swapped car).
 
Your friend sucks at tuning RB's, then. JUN's R33 Skyline runs 1000bhp, and has over 40,000km's at that hp setup. Nothing more than regular maintenance has been performed on the vehicle.

im sure he does with the successful company that he owns,and also from memory the skyline also quotes 400bhp being the limit to maintain the day to day reliability you can expect,im sure someone with 2 skylines over 450bhp will know that.sure enough the jun skyline has over 1000bh well done,and how many rebuilt has that had?💡
 
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