Real World Racing Series and Sanctioning Bodies in GT5

[slimer90210]

I think it would be cool to have real world racing series and sanctioning bodies, like Cart, IRL, ALMS, SCCA, WRC, NASCAR, NHRA, IHRA, etc in GT5.

I think it would add a whole new level to the game.
-You could start your own team in one of the series or sign on to drive for a real world team.
-Cars could be specifically modified to the rules and regulations of a series.
-You could get sponsors for a series.

What do you think?

 

[Alonsomania]

So let's say I buy a Viper,and give it a Oreca Race Mod,so I can battle for the FIA GT Championship?


drool

 

[slimer90210]

So let's say I buy a Viper,and give it a Oreca Race Mod,so I can battle for the FIA GT Championship?


drool

That is the general Idea...

 

[jedi09]

UHHHHH....... 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 💡

 

[Patrik]

👍 yeah, that would be awesome. dont forget that with dragracing that would rock!

 

[L8 Apex]

It'd be a neat deal, but it probably won't happen, though. I imagine Codemasters has a lock on things like DTM, V8 Supercars and IRL for TOCA Race Driver, and EA definitely has a monopoly on NASCAR (not that I really care).

 

[Mulsanne]

Like the idea. It's another thing I wish PD would include. Once you reach the "Extreme Hall" (I preferred the title of "Professional Hall" because it's like you've become a professional driver when you reach those.), get rid of the dinky 2, 5, 10 lap races. The races should be longer and more difficult. (The non-diehards could always use B-spec to get through them.)

I don't think the ALMS or LMES have any deals concerning console/PC games, so perhaps PD could make a deal with them for a series of 2h45m races for the ALMS or a few 1000 kilometre races for a LMES series. (Of course, they'd have to put in a few more LMP1/LMP2/GT1/GT2 cars.)

Being a Le Mans fanatic, I'd certainly race them!

 

[DuckRacer]

I think it would be cool to have real world racing series and sanctioning bodies, like Cart, IRL, ALMS, SCCA, WRC, NASCAR, etc in GT5.

I think it would add a whole new level to the game.
-You could start your own team in one of the series or sign on to drive for a real world team.
-Cars could be specifically modified to the rules and regulations of a series.
-You could get sponsors for a series.

What do you think?

I hate to be a naysayer, but it won't happen. Don't get me wrong, it's a great idea, but licensing get's in the way. If PD could create 10 different replicas that aren't even related to the real life ones of each series, then it would be possible, but to have NASCAR, or the IRL and all of it's cars wouldn't be possible.

If they did something like the F1 car in GT4 that looks like the real life counterpart but isn't, then this would greatly enhance the experience. 👍

Duck

 

[JohnBM01]

The primary counterargument I'd make is that Gran Turismo isn't about specific racing series. Sure, race machines other series are featured, but does that generally necessitate to an actual racing series? Hardly ever. That even applies to Super GT/JGTC. Basically, I can care less about actual racing series with actual drivers from the respective series. I care about racing, not big name series and big name stars. Now sure, they'd add personality to racing series, but looking at the big picture, I don't want to say that there's no point in having these races and drivers in the series, but I (I'm ready to get bashed on) don't want ToCA Race Driver deal in GT. I'm not really a Formula One fan, I love sportscar racing whether it is the ALMS or LMES, surely love those Australian V8 Supercars, but I'm okay with just the racing cars and no-name racers. And if you want to have such drivers and cars with the series, I don't mind ficticious names or taking existing people's names and replacing them with ficticious names (for example, instead of Tom Kristensen - Thomas Christian; instead of Liz Halliday, Elizabeth Holiday; Takuma Sato; Takumi Satoshi; etc.)

Again, I don't really care for actual series. It would help make championships better and have some AI racers with character, but I don't really see a place for it considering what GT brings to the table. Even Codemasters games have fictional championships with fictional drivers. Even so, I don't really care. That's just me.

 

[slimer90210]

👍 yeah, that would be awesome. dont forget that with dragracing that would rock!

First they would have to put drag racing in the game... But it would be cool.

It'd be a neat deal, but it probably won't happen, though. I imagine Codemasters has a lock on things like DTM, V8 Supercars and IRL for TOCA Race Driver, and EA definitely has a monopoly on NASCAR (not that I really care).

They wouldn't need every real world series. I would think they would start with Super GT/JGTC and WRC, and then get ALMS and LMES. After that move into the more specifice series like V8 Supercars, drag racing, Cart, IRL, F1, NASCAR etc...

And maybe NASCAR has no place in Gran Turismo.

Like the idea... ...I don't think the ALMS or LMES have any deals concerning console/PC games, so perhaps PD could make a deal with them for a series of 2h45m races for the ALMS or a few 1000 kilometre races for a LMES series. (Of course, they'd have to put in a few more LMP1/LMP2/GT1/GT2 cars.)

Being a Le Mans fanatic, I'd certainly race them!

I have always wanted more LMP1/LMP2 cars etc... But I would like to see the ability to modify production cars for the production based classes.

I hate to be a naysayer, but it won't happen. Don't get me wrong, it's a great idea, but licensing get's in the way. If PD could create 10 different replicas that aren't even related to the real life ones of each series, then it would be possible, but to have NASCAR, or the IRL and all of it's cars wouldn't be possible.

If they did something like the F1 car in GT4 that looks like the real life counterpart but isn't, then this would greatly enhance the experience. 👍


Duck

The primary counterargument I'd make is that Gran Turismo isn't about specific racing series. Sure, race machines other series are featured, but does that generally necessitate to an actual racing series? Hardly ever. That even applies to Super GT/JGTC. Basically, I can care less about actual racing series with actual drivers from the respective series. I care about racing, not big name series and big name stars. Now sure, they'd add personality to racing series, but looking at the big picture, I don't want to say that there's no point in having these races and drivers in the series, but I (I'm ready to get bashed on) don't want ToCA Race Driver deal in GT. I'm not really a Formula One fan, I love sportscar racing whether it is the ALMS or LMES, surely love those Australian V8 Supercars, but I'm okay with just the racing cars and no-name racers. And if you want to have such drivers and cars with the series, I don't mind ficticious names or taking existing people's names and replacing them with ficticious names (for example, instead of Tom Kristensen - Thomas Christian; instead of Liz Halliday, Elizabeth Holiday; Takuma Sato; Takumi Satoshi; etc.)

Again, I don't really care for actual series. It would help make championships better and have some AI racers with character, but I don't really see a place for it considering what GT brings to the table. Even Codemasters games have fictional championships with fictional drivers. Even so, I don't really care. That's just me.

Thats a good idea. Don't licence all the real world teams, or don't licence any at all. Set it up so you are running the current rule book and vehical type for the given series but the other teams/drivers you are racing are fictional. Let them be part of a ALMS, NASCAR, IRL series that exists only in the game but mirrors the real world.

I am with you in thinking that having all of the real world NASCAR, IRL, ALMS etc...
teams/drivers/sponsors would be a liscensing nightmare so just get the rule book, the vehical types and mods, and the name of the series and make up the drivers. I don't nessesarily want to race Jimmie Johnson or Dale Jr. But I would like the ability to race for an ALMS, JGTC, NASCAR, NHRA championship.

And I'm not saying throw out what Gran Turismo already has. For the love of all things automotive, KEEP IT!! Call it the Gran Turismo Racing League. Just add in some real world series and sanctioning bodies for those that want to race in them. I think it would be a big step up for the Gran Turismo Series.

 

[Alonsomania]

I always liked the way it is,that you are just driving with cars. I don't care about drivers.

Things like that should never change.
Never change a winning team 👍

 

[SagarisGTB]

GT3/GT4 already has a governing body, the GTA (Gran Turismo Assosiation)

Before that there was the GTF (Gran Turismo Foundation) found in the original game.

Id like to see alot more real race cars, every car in the history of SuperGT/JGTC , FIA GT, LMES, ALMS, DTM, F1 etc would be great ( unfortunatley not realistic) but even then the real series lisence wouldnt be necessary. PD could just smack on a similar name and nobody would blink.

 

[JohnBM01]

Slimer, thank you for your comments. I guess that leads to my next question. Why? Why have all these series, drivers, and such included in a game that was never really about actual competition from existing series?

Perhaps my best response to my own question is that people think there isn't much fun in racing a bunch of cars in a no-name racing series. To some, I guess it doesn't seem fun racing against AI with no personality or charisma. I the ToCA series of games has done a good job with having characters with personality, but not exactly real people. For example, take "ToCA Race Driver 2." You have an assortment of characters outside of racing, including your manager, your crew chief, that crazy girl with the TV camera, and all the Team Shark hopefuls (one of which is a friend).

Look at this issue like this as well. If there were actual racing series with actual drivers and actual rules, how would you like being this no-name racer, and just spin out one of the best names in the series (for example, doing a Super GT race and spinning out Satoshi Motoyama, doing the D1GP and slamming a member of Signal Auto into the wall, or even racing Australian V8 Supercars or causing an avoidable collision against Mark Skaife or Craig Lowndes)? That would be another reason why I wouldn't see this idea work. Can you really trust that we're not going to want to drive like idiots against licensed drivers? I don't enjoy damaging cars, and especially don't like damaging cars to licensed drivers and teams. Maybe it's just me, but when I race a certain series in a game with licensed teams, I actually want to pretend I actually drive for that team in real life. So any mistake, and I'll feel pretty bad about it. I'd basically do the safe thing and fake a lot of things. It's how most racing games get away with licensing issues, and GT would be no different.

Now I leave my question to you. Why have all these series, drivers, and such included in a game that was never really about actual competition from existing series?

 

[Mt. Lynx]

I´ll go with SagarisGTB on this. PD would´nt have to include the series or the drivers, just the cars and fake series, almost like they do in GT4. What I think people want - including me - is a more static line of opponents. If you for example race in a DTM series, the cars you´re up against should be from the same season IRL. Same goes for all racing series. I like the Renault cup alot, since all the cars are the same. And who would´nt like to race the FIA GT Championship '04, or say '98.
But to make this possible PD would have to add an enormous amount of cars from different racingseries around the globe. And personally I´d like to see LMP, GT and TCC cars from all over!

 

[slimer90210]

Slimer, thank you for your comments. I guess that leads to my next question. Why? Why have all these series, drivers, and such included in a game that was never really about actual competition from existing series?

Perhaps my best response to my own question is that people think there isn't much fun in racing a bunch of cars in a no-name racing series. To some, I guess it doesn't seem fun racing against AI with no personality or charisma. I the ToCA series of games has done a good job with having characters with personality, but not exactly real people. For example, take "ToCA Race Driver 2." You have an assortment of characters outside of racing, including your manager, your crew chief, that crazy girl with the TV camera, and all the Team Shark hopefuls (one of which is a friend).

Look at this issue like this as well. If there were actual racing series with actual drivers and actual rules, how would you like being this no-name racer, and just spin out one of the best names in the series (for example, doing a Super GT race and spinning out Satoshi Motoyama, doing the D1GP and slamming a member of Signal Auto into the wall, or even racing Australian V8 Supercars or causing an avoidable collision against Mark Skaife or Craig Lowndes)? That would be another reason why I wouldn't see this idea work. Can you really trust that we're not going to want to drive like idiots against licensed drivers? I don't enjoy damaging cars, and especially don't like damaging cars to licensed drivers and teams. Maybe it's just me, but when I race a certain series in a game with licensed teams, I actually want to pretend I actually drive for that team in real life. So any mistake, and I'll feel pretty bad about it. I'd basically do the safe thing and fake a lot of things. It's how most racing games get away with licensing issues, and GT would be no different.

Now I leave my question to you. Why have all these series, drivers, and such included in a game that was never really about actual competition from existing series?

And thank you for your comments. Contructive critisism is how you refine ideas.

To answer your questions:
Why have all these series? Because I think Gran Turismo is the best driving simulator out there and I would like the ability to race for championships in some real world series in it.

Why have all these drivers?
Don't have them. I don't think they are needed, as I said before...

I am with you in thinking that having all of the real world NASCAR, IRL, ALMS etc...
teams/drivers/sponsors would be a liscensing nightmare so just get the rule book, the vehical types and mods, and the name of the series and make up the drivers. I don't nessesarily want to race Jimmie Johnson or Dale Jr. But I would like the ability to race for an ALMS, JGTC, NASCAR, NHRA championship.

Why have all these series, drivers, and such included in a game that was never really about actual competition from existing series?

I am not saying throw out the current style of racing in the Gran turismo series, I'm just saying add the ability to race in real world or real world like series.

Id like to see alot more real race cars, every car in the history of SuperGT/JGTC , FIA GT, LMES, ALMS, DTM, F1 etc would be great ( unfortunatley not realistic) but even then the real series lisence wouldnt be necessary. PD could just smack on a similar name and nobody would blink.

And SagarisGTB make a good point. I would be ok with having "stand in" series for the real ones, as long as the rules, cars, and spirit of the real series is there.

 

[xXSilencerXx]

I like the idea but don't see it happening.

 

[Alonsomania]

I like the idea but don't see it happening.

which I think is wiht the most ideas people come up here

 

[JohnBM01]

Like I've stated. I don't really care for elements like this. It isn't a bad deal, just that I don't think Gran Turismo games were meant or famous for such an element in a game. I don;t think it's going to happen for some time because Gran Turismo is all about a virtual lifestyle of car collecting and racing. Gran Turismo has emphasis on practical racing, but it doesn't mean that it should equate to having actual racing series, licensed drivers, and all that. Why was it never about these sorts of things? It is because there was never an emphasis on racing in terms of being the next Michael Schumacher, Mario Andretti, Tom Kristensen. Neither was there emphasis on owning the next Reinhold Joest (I know I misspelled the "R" word here), Penske Racing, or whatever. Fron the driver perspective, the racers are basically anonymous. The assumption is that you are racing much tougher racers with much better cars. To me, that would be all you need to know about the drivers in much tougher classes. And again, never an emphasis on licensed drivers. This may sound strange, but what difference does it make if you're racing against a Formula 1 World Champion racing in the GT World Championship or anything like that? To me, you know you're racing tougher teams in higher-profile races. To me, you don't NEED having these racers. What? Do you want David Brabham to challenge you to a race at Le Mans? Sebastien Loeb to challenge you to a rally? Play as Bernd Schneider and win the 24 Hours at the Nürburgring in the final lap?

This is why I say that if you want to have stuff like this, fake it. Take actual series, give them fictional names, replace real driver names with fictional names that sound close to their real-life counterpart. Then again, you aren't given a profile, so why should you race against people with THEIR own profiles? I usually buy the claim that you make your name in Gran Turismo by getting championship after championship, trophy after trophy. Let that decide your success if you can't try to build your reputation. I just don't really care much for these things. I don't believe the game gets boring without actual series and actual drivers. Others may think it can be dull without actual series and actual drivers, but since when do they make for better games? I'll give you that thought as I await a reply to my post.

 

[slimer90210]

I like the idea but don't see it happening.

I would have to agree with you...

 

[Mt. Lynx]

As for real life drivers, I´d say that´s a stupid idea. GT should be - and has been - unpersonal. You give your profile a name, but thats it. And thats as far as it should go too!
However, I do want the cars from all these series, and I would not mind to have cars from the same season on the grid, but as far rules go, I say scrap it! PD´s own rules and points system works for me, and should work for any kind of championship/race.

 

[Alonsomania]

As for real life drivers, I´d say that´s a stupid idea. GT should be - and has been - unpersonal. You give your profile a name, but thats it. And thats as far as it should go too!
However, I do want the cars from all these series, and I would not mind to have cars from the same season on the grid, but as far rules go, I say scrap it! PD´s own rules and points system works for me, and should work for any kind of championship/race.

Ditto that 👍

 

[SimRaceDriver]

All I would like is to race actual 'race cars' from specific series...however the ones I'd like to see in future GT versions are from the FIA GT sanct. body and for PD to include them, would need to have licenses from Porchse & Ferrari, since those are the cars I'd love to 'race' in GT, however I think we all know for this to happen any time soon is 'very, very, very' unlikely...However, PD could, if possible, include a race tuned version of both the DB9 & Saleen S7...!

 

[VIPFREAK]

So let's say I buy a Viper,and give it a Oreca Race Mod,so I can battle for the FIA GT Championship?


drool

Don't forget the Speed 8 too!

 

[JohnBM01]

SimRaceDriver, you may be right about having the DBR9 and S7 GT Race Car. It could happen, I'll give you that. After all, both cars (British and American respectively) done pretty good in their tenure in sportscar racing. Of course, Aston Martin came into Sebring, FL and upset the Corvettes. Too bad they couldn't continue the upset on their own continent at Le Mans. I don't care if the ones in question are actual GT race cars or race cars with fictional Gran Turismo livery. They should be lovely to race.

Carry on the discussion...