Realistic Driving Settings

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I have been reading the 'Aids' thread, (That kinda sounds weird, I know), and people were talking about the fact Vettel used TCS 4 when he drove the X1, and how most people use all aids off because they think they are 'hardcore'. Well it got me thinking, GT5 is supposed to be a realistic driving simulator, but now I think about it, it really isn't. How many cars do you drive that let you change TCS, ASM, ABS, Put on all type of tires, etc, etc. PD needs to put a little setting on there that says either 'Realistic' or 'Free'. If you choose free, it is how it is now, you can modify all the setting and aids to the car, but if you put it on 'Realistic', you can only change on the car what you can change in real life. I mean think, how realistic is it to drive say, a 458 Italia with no TCS? It has probably one of the most sophisticated Traction control systems in any car. But how do we, as drivers know what settings to put on to make it like we are actualy driving a 458 Italia.

That brings up another thought. How does PD input settings on all of the cars in the game? For emxaple the Nissan GT-R has no option to turn off TCS, so hwo do they know how it will drive with no traction control?
It's just too confusing haha.

If they have no option of realistic settings, they need to at least provide some kind of document that list all of the relaistic driving settings for each of the cars. If niether of those is provided, I don't think they can make their claim of realistic driving simulator.
 
I agree, its like mercedes You can't turn off the tcs fully on any mercedes. Also being able to turn abs off isn't real at all ! how many cars is that possible in. the most laughable thing is that race cars would be quicker and would give better tyre wear with tcs if they were allowed to use it, GT seems to say the opposite !
 
I've always wanted this. An option for "realistic. You tell the game your setup (wheel, clutch, H-gate, etc) and it sets everything to super realistic.

If the car has a clutch, you have to use it. If it has paddle shifters, you have to use them. If it has 270* steering, you use that. If it has 900* wheel, you use that.

If it has ABS on, you use it. If it has a certain level of TCS, you have to use it, etc.

I would definitely use this mode. It would be awesome. The majority of stock cars don't have different TCS settings, so it is what it is. This would make car buying decisions different.

Maybe one of the things you could buy for the car would be a new ECU to up the rev limiter, or a new TCS so you could disable or adjust it, or a new ABS module so you could adjust or disable, etc.
 
I'll never use that realistic option, one thing I'm glad GT5 do is let us turn off electronic nannies.
 
In most cars you can disable TC can't you? I would never, NEVER buy a car in which you can't disable TC.
 
They never take into account the quality and reliability of the car manufacturers either. Taking a freaking 40-year old Hemicuda into a 24 hour endurance race is just as mind-bending. It's best to just let these things slide and enjoy the blissful freedom Gran Turismo provides.

It would however be cool to have the numbers ready to input and make them more like
the real thing with the same assist levels.
 
I have always thought it ws dumb that you could switch back and forth between manual and automatic transmissions. It seems like you should have to choose when buying a new car, and that car will always have that type, unless you upgrade the transmission, when you would likely have to get manual. Of course, most people would just get manual all the time, and I suspect that this is a concession PD made for the casual gamers.

I also was thinking about the reverse of the TCS issue. I suspect that if I buy a 70 year old Schwimmwagen in real life, it will not have many driving aids, however in GT I would be willing to bet I can alter the TCS whatever levels I may want. Again, I think PD had the casual gamer in mind with these options.
 
OK8
In most cars you can disable TC can't you? I would never, NEVER buy a car in which you can't disable TC.
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Yes on most there is such a button. On some cars this button doesn't turn off all of the traction control though.



Realism is unnecessarily brutal sometimes. If proper automatic transmissions would be in place, the game would get a lot less fun. Sure there are some fancy automatics out there, but most are still short on gears, laggy as hell, and like shifting for fuel economy. Then there are cars (S2000, IIRC) that don't even have automatics available, so a huge chunk of gamers couldn't drive it. It'd be okay as an option, but certainly not for everybody.
 
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i would enjoy this. I try to drive as real as i can... with all three settings of shift ( H, sequential and paddles ), but i must admit sometimes is hard to know what setting to use.. I can presume, or i can search in internet about that specific car. I like to simulates all i can... but i understand other people just want to have some fun... so, i think gt5 is fine the way it is.

If you want more realistic driving...go for it, search in internet,books,magazines,ask people... and play it like you want, with the settings you want. The GT series makes me want to know about the cars i´m driving... Try to do a research about the car you´re driving in gt. History, specs ( ingame content already helps in this way..but you can go further ) ...know your ride. Gran Turismo is a live encyclopedia... and those who knows that will have good time.
 
Goshin2568
I have been reading the 'Aids' thread, (That kinda sounds weird, I know), and people were talking about the fact Vettel used TCS 4 when he drove the X1, and how most people use all aids off because they think they are 'hardcore'. Well it got me thinking, GT5 is supposed to be a realistic driving simulator, but now I think about it, it really isn't....
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well of course it isn't :P
good morning sunshine :lol:
 
reaperman
Yes on most there is such a button. On some cars this button doesn't turn off all of the traction control though.



Realism is unnecessarily brutal sometimes. If proper automatic transmissions would be in place, the game would get a lot less fun. Sure there are some fancy automatics out there, but most are still short on gears, laggy as hell, and like shifting for fuel economy. Then there are cars (S2000, IIRC) that don't even have automatics available, so a huge chunk of gamers couldn't drive it. It'd be okay as an option, but certainly not for everybody.
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It could be done though to keep the current adjustability for casual gamers, but like how in GT5P there is standard and professional physics, have a 3rd option for real.

This would limit you to whatever is actually available in the car in real life. I know that is what I would use all the time. In the dealership you could buy each car with it's real life options, like some cars that have paddle shifters or a proper manual, and then that's what would be enabled on your wheel when you drive it in real mode.

People playing in casual mode could still choose options at the dealership, but wouldn't have to worry about them when racing.
 
So just play the game on whatever you deem to be the most realistic settings. I mean they are giving you the option, it's not like you can't play it how you want it.

Honestly, I think at this point people are just thinking up absolutely anything to question or complain about. In 4 days none of this will matter and you will be enjoying the game in whatever manner you like.
 
Pedal-Force
If the car has a clutch, you have to use it. If it has paddle shifters, you have to use them. If it has 270* steering, you use that. If it has 900* wheel, you use that.
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Goodbye 80% of players.

I think it's fine how it is. If you want to be realistic... what's stopping you? Just do it and let the rest of us cater the game to our specific needs as well. The whole point of giving you the option is so that if you want this "realistic" mode you speak of, you can set it up yourself.
 
MidianGTX
Goodbye 80% of players.

I think it's fine how it is. If you want to be realistic... what's stopping you? Just do it and let the rest of us cater the game to our specific needs as well. The whole point of giving you the option is so that if you want this "realistic" mode you speak of, you can set it up yourself.
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I think the key to balancing this would be to turn this "Realism Mode" on or off. Most casual gamers would never turn it on, but some of us would and would love it. Just like most casual gamers in shooters never touch "Hardcore Mode" or "Insane Mode" or whatever it may be called. Even though 70%-80% won't touch it, it is an awesome feature for those that want to.

I think you also miss the point that it isn't quite the same as simply turning all assists off across the board. Like has been said, the best "realism" mode would simply change the assists, transmission, ABS, TCS, etc. setting to whatever they actually are in that particular car in real life. In my opinion, it wouldn't take that long to implement, and wouldn't add much in terms of coding.
 
RTSandel23
I think the key to balancing this would be to turn this "Realism Mode" on or off. Most casual gamers would never turn it on, but some of us would and would love it. Just like most casual gamers in shooters never touch "Hardcore Mode" or "Insane Mode" or whatever it may be called. Even though 70%-80% won't touch it, it is an awesome feature for those that want to.

I think you also miss the point that it isn't quite the same as simply turning all assists off across the board. Like has been said, the best "realism" mode would simply change the assists, transmission, ABS, TCS, etc. setting to whatever they actually are in that particular car in real life. In my opinion, it wouldn't take that long to implement, and wouldn't add much in terms of coding.
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Exactly. We already know they have thst info. I can't be that hard just to put it in the car's profile or something.
 
Even though some cars like the Nissan GT-R does not allow disabling TCS wouldn't it still be possible to disable it mechanically?
 
Nielsen
Even though some cars like the Nissan GT-R does not allow disabling TCS wouldn't it still be possible to disable it mechanically?
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With things like this, the easiest way to implement is that in "Realism Mode", the stock car would come with all of the assists set at their default, stock values. Then if it is something that realistically and practically be changed, such as disbaling TCS or ABS (some even just have a button that turns it on or off) you can still do it in tuning mode.
 
This reminds me of that list of wheels that polyphony made for the specific car that you wanted to drive. So if you wanted to drive a 350z the list would tell you it used n3,n3.
 
juwlzx5
This reminds me of that list of wheels that polyphony made for the specific car that you wanted to drive. So if you wanted to drive a 350z the list would tell you it used n3,n3.
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Yes. That is EXACTLY what I was thinking of.
 
I mentioned in a thread for wheel users a realism option.
Make the steering heavy for the non power steering cars.
And adjust angles of steering where nesercary. Maybe in the future.
 
If you want it real, remove the remote control car racing 3rd person view. I always hated that in a SIM racing game, slow motion cheating!
 
One option is to build a database/excel/googledocs/wiki with info on what the real cars have. Problem is that how do we know what setting is "correct" if we want to simulate it.
Any suggestions?
 
MidianGTX
Goodbye 80% of players.

I think it's fine how it is. If you want to be realistic... what's stopping you? Just do it and let the rest of us cater the game to our specific needs as well. The whole point of giving you the option is so that if you want this "realistic" mode you speak of, you can set it up yourself.
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I didn't say it was required to play the game. It's an option, like Pro physics used to be.

And it's not exactly easy for me to go find all that information, most of which isn't even available.

You think there's a list somewhere that says the GT-R should be set to ABS 2 and TCS 7 in order to mimic the real car.

How do I know where to set it? I've never driven a real GT-R, so I have no idea what the real electronic aids are like on it.
 

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