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Black / Silver __________ Team Penske
Black / Yellow__________ Sarah Fisher Racing
White / Purple__________ KV Racing Technology – SH Racing
White / Blue____________ Service Central Chip Ganassi Racing
White / Green__________ HVM Racing
Green / Yellow__________ KV Racing Technology - Lotus
White_________________ Dragon Racing
Blue__________________ Newman/Haas Racing
Red___________________ Target Chip Ganassi Racing
Orange________________ Bryan Herta Autosport

Going on with a mate for a bit but will look out for some of you later.
 
Cheers Knelly, looks like i'm team HVM then, will put these on the OP tomorrow. Just letting you know we practiced the oval cautions tonight with berty, went well and we're pretty much sorted. Joe's just gonna clarify on pitting under caution for me as I got abit confused :P Got school tomorrow, but should be able to test late into friday and saturday night if needed.
 
Cowboys965
There isn't an orange I don't think
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FGT? There is an orange one.

After practicing cautions at Indy, this is what seemed to work (should work for Daytona too): Caution is called and the pace car joins the track after emerging from it's safe spot, and drivers gradually slow down to be behind the pace car. Everyone should be behind the pace car by the time it's coming out of turn 4 (unless they were in the pits when the caution came out). This is the first caution lap, and nobody is allowed to pit from as soon as the caution comes out. At the end of this lap, now that everyone has (hopefully) bunched up behind him, the safety car driver will say that the pits are open. Once the pace car has passed the pit entrance, he will announce the wavearound and the wavearound cars will take it. They are allowed to pit once they get back round to the pits (though taking on a full tank of fuel may cause them to be passed by the safety car and leaders due to the amount of time they'll be in the pits for). The safety car has now started its second caution lap. Near the end of this second lap, and during some of the third lap, the cars that pitted will have caught back up to it. As the safety car enters the back straight on this 3rd lap, he will call for everyone to go double file ready for the restart. He will then pull into the pits at the end of the lap. The field maintains the 80mph caution speed until they get to the restart point, which at Indy is the start of the pit wall. (Will be the start/finish line at other tracks).

EDIT: Now for the short version: Caution comes out. Nobody can pit. Safety car opens the pits at the end of the first lap. Safety car gives the wavearound shorty after passing the pit entrance. All cars can pit. Field catches back up in time to go double file on the third lap. Safety car pulls into pits. Field restarts at the restart point.
 
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DrifterJoe
FGT? There is an orange one.

After practicing cautions at Indy, this is what seemed to work (should work for Daytona too): Caution is called and the pace car joins the track after emerging from it's safe spot, and drivers gradually slow down to be behind the pace car. Everyone should be behind the pace car by the time it's coming out of turn 4 (unless they were in the pits when the caution came out). This is the first caution lap, and nobody is allowed to pit from as soon as the caution comes out. At the end of this lap, now that everyone has (hopefully) bunched up behind him, the safety car driver will say that the pits are open. Once the pace car has passed the pit entrance, he will announce the wavearound and the wavearound cars will take it. They are allowed to pit once they get back round to the pits (though taking on a full tank of fuel may cause them to be passed by the safety car and leaders due to the amount of time they'll be in the pits for). The safety car has now started its second caution lap. Near the end of this second lap, and during some of the third lap, the cars that pitted will have caught back up to it. As the safety car enters the back straight on this 3rd lap, he will call for everyone to go double file ready for the restart. He will then pull into the pits at the end of the lap. The field maintains the 80mph caution speed until they get to the restart point, which at Indy is the start of the pit wall. (Will be the start/finish line at other tracks).
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It's in my OCD right now, it says it's orange, but it's red.
 
TomMcD
Yeah there definitely is, was in my UCD the other day.

EDIT: Joe, if people are pitting on 2 seperate laps they'll be in different positions. So when we go double file on the back straight, do you move into the position you were at before the caution? May be a stupid question...
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You don't get to take back the place you were in before the caution.

I assume you mean the lead lap cars and wavearound cars pitting on different laps. Since the lead lap cars pit first, they will come out the pits ahead of the wavearound cars by the time the wavearound cars pit, putting the wavearound cars at the back of the pack. A wavearound car may possibly gain some positions by not taking on much fuel, or by not pitting at all. Though this would leave them at a disadvantage due to having less fuel or worse tyres.

Cowboys: The OP of this thread has the 10 different FGT colours shown in it (quoted in it, below the intial 2 low quality photos). https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=163844 Some people say that the orange one is more pink than orange.
 
So as soon as the pit is open, if you want to pit, you overtake the safety car and pit at the end of the lap? Is this the same for everybody? It definitely works, i'm just personally confused, sorry :P

EDIT: hang on I think i get it, so if you are on the lead lap, you follow the safety car till the end of lap 2 and pit. But if you are a lap behind you get waved around so you can regain a lap and pit with the leaders? Am I right?
 
TomMcD
So as soon as the pit is open, if you want to pit, you overtake the safety car and pit at the end of the lap? Is this the same for everybody? It definitely works, i'm just personally confused, sorry :P
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Not quite.

The safety car announces that the pits are open at the end of it's first lap. Once they get round to it (still following the safety car) the whole field can pit. If you're able to take the wavearound, you can stay out behind the safety car rather than pitting when everyone else does, and the safety car will shortly release you to gain your lap back (and you'd pit at the end of this lap if you wanted to pit). Once everyone has stopped, the wavearound cars will end up being at the back of the pack for the restart.



EDIT:Actually tom, your idea may work out better than mine, due to the possibility of wavearound cars getting lapped if they put in too much fuel when pitting. The potential new idea is this: everyone is bunched up at the end of the first safety car lap. The wavearound is given at the start of the second lap. The wavearound cars catch up to the back of the field. Everyone pits at the end of the second caution lap. Everyone catches back up to the pace car as it's beginning it's fourth caution lap. (The third lap takes place while everyone's pitting and catching back up to the safety car). Everyone goes double file down the backstretch for the restart, and we restart at the restart point (beginning of the pit wall) at the end of that lap (which is the 4th caution lap).

Which idea do you guys think will work better (the first one or the one in this post)?
 
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I think it would be a lot easier and less complicated for people to understand. So yeah definitely, fancy testing this tomorrow night? gotta get some sleep now.
 
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TomMcD
Ah, so if you are a lap behind you get waved around at the end of the second lap, to pit at the end of the third? while the lead lap cars stay behind the safety car and then pit at the end of the second. Then the waved around cars drive around to the back of the pack, having regained a lap ready for the restart?

So in other words, if you're on the lead lap, you don't get waved around and just stay behind the safety car, pit, and then get on the back of the safety car again.
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Correct, except it's the end of the first lap and not the second that the pits are open and the wavearound happens. Everything else is right.

Try the short version that I edited into the post explaining the caution, that may be easier to understand.
 
Well check my last post, I do think the idea that we wavearound at the end of the first, everybody bunches up and pits at the same time is a good plan.
 
Wow, it sounds much more confusing when explained, if we could all get on track together sometime its much easier to understand than it sounds.
There is definatley an orange FGT, it looks red until you put it next to the actual red one. Then it looks orange :) You can tell by the tab.
 
Yeah, I'd like to test out the easier version tomorrow. (Near empty fuel tanks will help with something I want to find out from testing. I want to see where you come out compared to the safety car and someone who barely took on any fuel, if you take on nearly a whole tank in the pits.)
 
Yeah ok, will be on earlier tomorrow and on till later to test out this one. You in Berty?
 
Just so people know, I'll put the easier version in this post:

The potential new idea is this: everyone is bunched up at the end of the first safety car lap. The wavearound is given at the start of the second lap. The wavearound cars catch up to the back of the field. Everyone pits at the end of the second caution lap. Everyone catches back up to the pace car as it's beginning it's fourth caution lap. (The third lap takes place while everyone's pitting and catching back up to the safety car). Everyone goes double file down the backstretch for the restart, and we restart at the restart point (beginning of the pit wall) at the end of that lap (which is the 4th caution lap).
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This is actually how the wave around works since there is no lucky dog in IndyCar.

-Caution occurs, safety car leaves pits and waits for the next car on track and everyone slows.

-First car to reach the back of the safety car stays behind the safety car. You may not overtake the safety car at any point until you are told to do so AND if you are between the safety car and the leader. I.E. if you are about to be lapped and a caution occurs and you are the only car between the leader and the safety car, you will be the only wave around. This occurs at the end of the 1st caution lap and the pits remain closed.

-End of 2nd caution lap pits open and leaders are allowed to pit while the wave around catch the end of the field. Before the 3rd caution lap ends (ovals will be T3, road courses will be the penultimate corner) the field lines up double file.

If on a oval, leader takes the inside, however if on a road course, the leader picks the right or left side and it is up to the field to line up accordingly based on the side the leader chooses. So, if the leader goes right 2nd place should go left and line up with the leader, 3rd place should line up behind the leader and 4th should line up behind 2nd place and so on.

Hopefully that is clear and not confusing
 
Ah, so the only time there's a wavearound is if there is a single car between the safety car and the leader? That'll be much easier for us to do.

So I guess we'll practice that tomorrow night then. I also still want to see where you come out if you take on nearly a full tank of fuel, compared to where the safety car is, and compared to someone who took barely any fuel (16 litres or less, as the fuelling will be finished before/at the same time as the tyres are finished being changed). My main concern here is that the person taking on a full tank may end up getting lapped before they leave the pits, due to how slow the refuelling is in GT5.
 
Comfort hard on ovals, comfort hard and comfort medium on road courses (must do at least 2 laps on each compound).
 
DrifterJoe
Comfort hard on ovals, comfort hard and comfort medium on road courses (must do at least 2 laps on each compound).
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But how do you police that on a track where you might need to run Rain Tires, or are we not racing in rain at all?
 
I think the only track in the UK or US schedule that has the option of weather is Suzuka in the US schedule, and I don't think the weather will be set to changeable conditions. Though I may be wrong.
 
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