Review: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu, Discuss

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On a lovely day such as this (45F and rain), I decided to venture on over to the local Berger Chevrolet dealership to see the all-new 2008 Chevrolet Malibu. Sitting on the lot, there were a selection of three made available; Two LS models with the I4 and four-speed automatic, and one LTZ with the V6 and the six-speed automatic. Undoubtedly, the first thing you notice about the Malibu are the shockingly good-looks on the exterior, easily superior than that of the rather boring Toyota Camry and the so-so Honda Accord.



There is a strong combination of distinctively American looks that certainly has a fair bit of European influence as well. Immediately noticeable was the use of chrome, not just in the grille, but also on the door handles, around the windows, and a really nice touch that lines the bottom edge of the doors just to even things out. Large shoulders, although muscular, are inoffensive, and make for a very attractive overall look. I was most-worried about the rear section of the vehicle, looking as though it was simply cut-off and sort of a last-minute decision made because they had ran out of ideas...



I have to say that it looks much better in person, but I can't honestly say that I loved it completely. I think it may be the only thing that a lot of people are really going to pick apart when it comes to the exterior, as everything else seems to be done quite well. The wheels in particular were noticeable for the correct size, more or less filling up the gaps and giving the car a proper stance that didn't make it look cheap. I can't say the same for the LS, however. The wheels on the lower-level models didn't look particularly appealing, maybe a bit too much rubber, but that is often the case with most cars that start at $19,995.



Normally, interiors are GM's largest weak-point, and I have to say that it simply isn't the case with the Malibu this time around. The quality of the materials feels ahead of most, if not all, the direct-competition. Granted, I'd say it still falls a bit short of the Volkswagen Passat, but that is almost in another league. The contrasting colors both in the seats and on the dash is a truly interesting touch, particularly in this application with the black and orange. The lower-level LS models had two-tone tan and gray interiors which were just as attractive as well.





The seats were wonderfully comfortable, almost like your Lay-Z-Boy chair at home. The seats being fully-adjustable, you could easily find the perfect position given enough time to tinker, and combine it with adjustable pedals and a tilt/telescope steering wheel, and you get the idea that Chevrolet really wanted to focus on the driver experience. I know that I have championed GM's new Radio and HVAC units in the past as well, and in the Chevrolet, it is no exception. Everything is laid out directly where you would want it to be, buttons have large enough lettering to explain what it is (not too large, like in a Hyundai, not too small, like in a Mercedes). Furthermore, much of the work can be done easily on the steering wheel as well, with many different buttons for the driver information center, radio controls, and not to mention the paddle shifters.

Thats right. Paddle shifters in a family sedan. In a GM family sedan.





Gauges are easy to read, and are well-lit similar to the way in which Honda and Toyota light theirs as of late. The separated bionicles of information (speedo, tachometer, fuel level, water temp, etc) reminded me much of the way a Nissan has the racing-inspired look to them, however, in the Chevrolet they do not move with the steering wheel.

Getting in the back seat, I found that there was plenty of room for myself (6'1", 160 lbs) with the front seats fully-back. They were comfortable enough, at least to me, for a long trip, and it appeared as though three could sit comfortably across the back without much fuss. Quality seems to continue on into the back, but it just doesn't seem quite as "polished" as it did in the front. Granted, I think its the case with almost any car, but it was a bit disappointing nevertheless. I was however rather surprised to see an AC/DC jack in the back seat, as I understand it, good for enough juice to keep a laptop running (or charge it), run a DVD player, or any other sort of equipment that may be needed. I do like it a lot in the back, and I would have loved to see what it was like to be driven around... I get car-sick really easily when in the back, and it felt "open" enough to where it wouldn't be a problem, but I couldn't be completely certain.





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So how does it drive?

Well, simply put, I was really surprised by it. Going from driving the W-Body around today (my Jetta is in the shop), it felt like this was light years ahead. The ride was smooth, supple, and best of all quiet. Really, really quiet. It almost seemed quieter than a Toyota, but not having driven a Camry V6, I cannot confirm it. You didn't hear any of the cars around you, just the sound of you operating it and occasionally the engine if you chose to give it a bit of gas.

Speaking of that, wow, this thing takes off! I nailed it once and the car really got up and went, really quick and rather smooth shifts with the six-speed automatic. The roads were wet, so Stabilitrack did kick in and stop the wheels from spinning, but my guess would be that it would have burned through first gear and chirped it in second. The power delivery of the LY7 V6 (DOHC, VVT, 252 BHP) was smooth and quiet... And best of all, powerful when needing it. Going from the 200 BHP 3.8L in the Grand Prix to the 3.6L LY7 in the Malibu, it was like night and day. It seemed like less of an instrument of destruction and more or less one of precision, effortless power if you will. Not nearly as brutal in overall feel.

The handling of the car was also rather impressive as well. While the streets of East Grand Rapids are by no means a racetrack, a few quick tosses of the car showed that the body motions are pretty well-controlled (thank Opel and Saturn for that), and really doesn't give up too much personality in the effort to be comfortable at best. I believe the car does have the electronic steering, which I'm still a bit uneasy about, but compared to its predecessors (the previous Malibu and even the Cobalt were rather sloppy), this feels much better. The overall experience was far more "solid" than that of the newer Camry that I had driven, but still off my usual VW benchmark. But oh, it came so close...

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Drawbacks?

There are a few nitpicks. Interior quality, even if better than most of the competition, still could use some improvement. The gaps are pretty tight, the materials feel quite good, but I still think more can be done. The VW yardstick shouldn't apply, but I'm doing it anyway. The contrasting colors may scare some people as well, but given that you can do it in a much more neutral black/gray or something other than black/orange, you're bound to find whats right for you.

The fuel mileage seemed to be on par with that of the other cars in its class as well, but being as large as it is and feeling a bit heavy at times, you never really know for certain. The six-speed kept revs rather low when traveling slowly, I don't think I ever exceeded 2500 RPM with the exception of the time when I punched it, which certainly does well for fuel economy. I'm eager to see, or possibly drive, a LS or LTZ model with the four-cylinder (2.4L I4, SOHC, VVT, 169 BHP) and the soon to be added six-speed automatic.

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The price?

The base Malibu LS starts at just $19,995 and comes with a plethora of standard features that most families would find agreeable and presumably wouldn't need further addition. Higher-level LT and LTZ models obviously add to the list of standard features, and with more complicated extras made available, this particular LTZ V6 came it at just over $28,000. I think that there were some options that it could have done without, as I think most people would be far more satisfied with a well-equipped LT model to sit in the middle. Compared to other cars in it's class, the Chevrolet is a value, but at least from what I have seen on a personal level, Chevrolet's biggest worry is that of the Saturn Aura, and really nothing else.

In the end, it comes down to what you like and what you do not. But, if GM is going to keep building cars that are as good or better than this, well, it may be the end of the "crappy GM era" as we know it.

The Chevrolet Malibu gets an 8.75/10, and a VERY HIGH Recomendation
 
8.75/10 and all, I still could not drive a car with a colored dash as ugly as that.
 
That interior looks years ahead of my mom's '03 malibu, that's for sure. I think the rear-end looks terrible.
 
The kid who was jammin' in the Grand Am next to us at a stop light (outside Woodland mall, you know where it is Thirdeye) seemed to like the car when I had it out for a drive... I thought that was kinda cool. Then again, he was driving a Grand Am, and almost anything is better than that...
 
I had a Grand Am tailgating me down Lake Michigan Drive the entire way today, trying his absolute hardest to get around me, kept switching lanes, then the lane he would switch to would slow down, then he'd dart behind me again, etc. Pretty funny, when we both ended up at the same light anyways. Off-topic but I had the pleasure of going to one of my sister's classes at Aquinas, are all the classrooms apparently over 50 years old? It looked like something out of the 50's in there. Perhaps it was just the building..
 
Off-topic but I had the pleasure of going to one of my sister's classes at Aquinas, are all the classrooms apparently over 50 years old? It looked like something out of the 50's in there. Perhaps it was just the building..

*cough**cough* Hope *cough**cough*.....

I used to actually think Grand Ams and Grand Prix were pretty cool. That is, until I came here and saw that half of the students drove them....

As for that Malibu, I quite like it. based on the pictures, I would agree with YSSMAN with the exception that I find the rear pretty ugly. The front does look quite nice. Maybe they figured nobody would be looking at the back anyway after they quickly passed it?:sly:

I simply cannot believe that interior is on (in?) an American car. I can't speak for material quality, which is probably not top notch. Layout looks amazing. I guess having all the switches/buttons/dials/displays on one panel makes it look clean and well layed out.
 
The Chevrolet Malibu gets an 8.75/10, and a VERY HIGH Recomendation

Next time I rent a car at the airport, I'll give you my review of the new Malibu.

Future sales dud, just like the Aura. Unless we count fleet sales...

Thats right. Paddle shifters in a family sedan. In a GM family sedan.

Those are NOT paddles. They're impossible-to-reach-with-human-thumb SUGGESTIONS that the transmission rarely follows. Paddles are done right by actual brands. General Motors has no idea what "done right" actually means. Or "paddles," evidently. Or "transmission," probably.
 
Next time I rent a car at the airport, I'll give you my review of the new Malibu.

Future sales dud, just like the Aura. Unless we count fleet sales...

Actually, Chevrolet has said previously that the Malibu likely won't be regulated to fleet sales. That job has already been left to the "Chevrolet Classic" (read, previous Malibu), and likely will go to the Impala otherwise.

But yes, I would love to hear what you think of it. I'd say it isn't too far off on a Passat myself, certainly better than the current Camry. I haven't had any time with the Accord other than seeing it in parking lots, but my guess would be that those two would make an interesting competition... I'd still expect the Chevrolet to lose, but nevertheless, make a strong showing.

Those are NOT paddles. They're impossible-to-reach-with-human-thumb SUGGESTIONS that the transmission rarely follows. Paddles are done right by actual brands. General Motors has no idea what "done right" actually means. Or "paddles," evidently. Or "transmission," probably.

Have you used the paddles? I found them easy to use... They're used behind the steering column, they're only marked as such on the outside. Shift up on the left, down on the right I believe. It will hold gears as long as you want, and that certainly counts for something as well...

The fact that its in a "bread-and-butter" Chevrolet, at least in my opinion, is a jump forward. They're the only American company doing so, as even the Ford Fusion that shares the same transmission doesn't offer the same thing. I believe only the Passat offers paddle shifters in this class, but given thats a DSG setup, there is a bit of a difference I'd say...

And if we're going to question the quality of a GM transmission, I've got two words for you: EPIC FAIL. If there is something that GM has always, consistently done right, its transmissions. Even if it was co-developed by Ford, they wouldn't let the quality slip, ever. Not something that can easily be said really by anyone in the segment, no matter where they're from.
 
Have you used the paddles? I found them easy to use... They're used behind the steering column, they're only marked as such on the outside. Shift up on the left, down on the right I believe. It will hold gears as long as you want, and that certainly counts for something as well...

The fact that its in a "bread-and-butter" Chevrolet, at least in my opinion, is a jump forward. They're the only American company doing so, as even the Ford Fusion that shares the same transmission doesn't offer the same thing. I believe only the Passat offers paddle shifters in this class, but given thats a DSG setup, there is a bit of a difference I'd say...

Looks like both are for up? do they let you downshift with them? And up is on the right, down on the left in a normal car. All of a sudden, I don't trust this setup.

The second paragraph says it well. However it is set up, the really cool part is that it is a normal GM vehicle. It really says something when the most bland of the bland has something that was only in F1 ten years ago. party when the first sub-compact comes with them standard:tup:.
 
But yes, I would love to hear what you think of it. I'd say it isn't too far off on a Passat myself, certainly better than the current Camry. I haven't had any time with the Accord other than seeing it in parking lots, but my guess would be that those two would make an interesting competition... I'd still expect the Chevrolet to lose, but nevertheless, make a strong showing.

Do we agree that no matter how good it is, it will not even come close to Camry sales figures without a huge boost from fleet sales?

And I don't care what GM says about fleet sales. Simple economics dictates that GM would rather meet its costs and sell the car to fleets thus making zero profit than lose money on the development and on worker wages and keep the cars off the roads. The majority of sales of this poorly-engineered heap of garbage WILL be to fleets.

Have you used the paddles? I found them easy to use... They're used behind the steering column, they're only marked as such on the outside. Shift up on the left, down on the right I believe. It will hold gears as long as you want, and that certainly counts for something as well...

No, it doesn't. That's the worst feature in the world. For one thing, it only shifts up. And for two, it doesn't take your shift as a mandate, just as a suggestion. It's so annoying. In my Audi, I push down on the lever, it shifts down unless it physically CANNOT without violating redline. I push up, it upshifts, unless it physically cannot because my engine speed is too low. In these things, you have no idea what it's going to do. It's a completely wasted feature because it was so poorly developed.
 
Do we agree that no matter how good it is, it will not even come close to Camry sales figures without a huge boost from fleet sales?

I wasn't expecting it to outsell the Camry, but with the increase quality concerns on the Toyota and competition that is in fact leagues better, I'd expect a large dent to be placed on their door. Whether or not it is the Accord or Malibu, or even the Fusion that does it, it doesn't matter. I'm just happy to say that the Chevrolet is clearly better.

And I don't care what GM says about fleet sales. Simple economics dictates that GM would rather meet its costs and sell the car to fleets thus making zero profit than lose money on the development and on worker wages and keep the cars off the roads. The majority of sales of this poorly-engineered heap of garbage WILL be to fleets.

You can believe what you want, but GM is here to actually build cars these days. Certainly, making money is the name of the game, but when they aren't necessarily focused on sales overall any longer, building the stellar products to build these relationships is step number one. Chevrolet and the like need to re-build our trust, and clearly this Malibu is a good way to do it. Whether or not they end up in rental fleets is up to National and Hertz.

No, it doesn't. That's the worst feature in the world. For one thing, it only shifts up. And for two, it doesn't take your shift as a mandate, just as a suggestion. It's so annoying. In my Audi, I push down on the lever, it shifts down unless it physically CANNOT without violating redline. I push up, it upshifts, unless it physically cannot because my engine speed is too low. In these things, you have no idea what it's going to do. It's a completely wasted feature because it was so poorly developed.

Its the same system found in the Aura as well, and I know for a fact that it holds gears. You can down shift as well, but given that the Chevrolet is not a sportscar, I wouldn't expect it to do it with the same amount of fervor as the Audi, they are completely different target groups.

Leave the sporting duties to Pontiac and Saturn, this Chevrolet is off beating down Toyota and Honda's door. I'm just happy that they made it a feature standard in all of the V6 models. That alone has to say something about GM actually considering what consumers want for once...

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Philly
Looks like both are for up? do they let you downshift with them? And up is on the right, down on the left in a normal car. All of a sudden, I don't trust this setup.

Ooops, both front buttons go up, the back side you pull in to go down. I had it working fine in the car, I guess I have short-term memory loss...
 
You can believe what you want, but GM is here to actually build cars these days. Certainly, making money is the name of the game, but when they aren't necessarily focused on sales overall any longer, building the stellar products to build these relationships is step number one. Chevrolet and the like need to re-build our trust, and clearly this Malibu is a good way to do it. Whether or not they end up in rental fleets is up to National and Hertz.

Fleet sales have nothing to do with making money; it's all about simply meeting costs. GM signs a deal with the workers to work x number of hours and produce x number of cars. After a few months, when GM realizes they can't sell x number of cars, they decide to sell the remainder to the fleets, for exactly what it costs them to build. This is because they have to build x number of cars in order to satisfy the contracts with the unions. They're not going for sales figures - they're going for limiting their losses.

Same thing will happen here.

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Well gee Doug. Thanks for giving the car a fighting chance.

Why should I? Same story as ever. GM designs car on coffee breaks. They're playing catch-up once again. As ever they will have to discount it deeply to sell it, and as ever, they will ruin their resale values this way. Before two years, more sales will be to rental companies than human beings, further ruining their resale value.

It takes ten times the money to get a new customer than to keep an existing one. This car simply proves GM is not spending ten times the money to get back all those customers it lost to Honda and Toyota years ago.
 
You're just like a Toyota fanboy, except I don't see a real reason for you to be so close-minded. Where along the line were you so alienated by GM design? Did they kill your father?
 
Kind of off topic, but where did you find "Hello Clarkson" or "Clarkson says hello" spelled in russain? (I don't think the grammar is correct, I can't fully understand what it says.)

Maybe "why?" is a better question.
 
Similar to the CTS argument Doug, have you been in a new Malibu yet? Have you driven one? How can you be so certain that it "is the same thing" when in fact it is completely different?

Give the car a shot, you might like it. I'd happy rate this one next to the Passat (my standard) all day, good on value and performance, not to mention the good looks. Sure, its no Audi A4, but it was never trying to be one. This one was a shot meant for Toyota, and that was about it. By every measure, GM did a spectacular job reaching and surpassing standards set by that car alone.

If the car is so horrible, people won't buy it. I'd bet that with good reviews, excellent quality ratings, and a good bit of advertising, GM will sell what needs to be sold.

Best midsize American sedan? I think we can settle on that at the very least?

EDIT: The Russian?

I was bored after seeing it on Doug's thing one night, I decided to do something with Clarkson on it...

Google Language Tools FTW!
 
You're just like a Toyota fanboy, except I don't see a real reason for you to be so close-minded. Where along the line were you so alienated by GM design? Did they kill your father?
I agree with Doug. You can't reel in an assload of new customers with a new design. It's already been ingrained in their head that Honda is awesome, Toyota is awesomer, and GM makes a crappy Malibu. Maybe the people that go to auto shows and stuff, but only about 5% of people in the country do that.

That's why the new Camry is selling like hotcakes. It's built with less quality and is ugly as scrotum, but it's a Toyota Camry, the best car evar.

But I will say the 6-speed auto is good. I like it. And the interior is nice. It may even be nicer than the Camry, but I'll tell you when Detroit comes along in January. Until then, this is a Malibu, no matter how good it is, and not an Accord.
 
Keef, I find your position completely understandable, but nevertheless one hopes to eventually see the Malibu with a good amount of respect in the segment.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the (previous generation) Honda Accord, it still sets benchmarks for me, but I'd love to see an American do well too. The Avenger fell flat on its face. The Fusion came close. The Aura did surprisingly well. But the Malibu? I'd say this is about as good as it gets until the Epsilon II cars come out.

Its progress, and its a good thing. I still need to give the new Accord a run-through, but from what I've seen, this new Malibu is definitely better than the Camry. We just need to convince everyone else in America that it is the case...
 
The Fusion needs a new head-unit, maybe just making it interior colored would help, it just kinda messes up the flow of the interior. The previous gen Accord was a fine car, I think that since the new Accord is a "large car" according to the EPA, the old one should still be the benchmark for mid-size sedans IMO.

On EPII- It'll be interesting, and isn't Buick supposed to get the first one in MY2011?
 
But...Its not crap. It really isn't. Don't knock it 'till you try it.
I know it's not crap. I hear it's very good, and I hope it has better quality materials than the competition, because American companies need something to motivate them to make better cars. If the Malibu gives Ford and Chrysler something to beat, then they'll put more into their future cars. It'll just keep getting better from there.

Frankly, I've never actually ridden in or sat in any of these cars, so I can judge by is what I read and what I hear from people who have. I've read Toyota's quality has gone down drastically, the new Accord is still an Accord, and the Malibu is right on par with it. The only point I'm making is that there's a lot of stubborn people out there who stick to car stereotypes (I totally don't do that, :lol: ) and won't even give the car a try. It'll take more than a few years to overcome that, so I hope GM and Ford keep up the good work, and Chrysler stops licking its own ass.
 
I for one am liking this car. And that interior you had YSS in that particular model was quite good looking--however I still hold my opinions until I "feel" the plastics. Either way, sounds like the performance and comfort are there...and that GM is TRYING to reinvent the Malibu are all pluses in my opinion. I still prefer all of the other Commodore variations to this one, but this one is far from ugly or a bad car. I'll take one without all that chrome trim crap in black on black before I'd buy a Camry or the new Accord.
 
this car, the CTS, and new full size trucks, demonstrate the GM finally "gets it."

it may not sell as much as the OP thought it would (it certainly wont challenge accord and camry in sales from the gate. it takes years of building good cars to get there) but it signals that the big lumbering ship has not only started the turn but is beginning to head in the right direction.

toyota (perhaps) doesnt know it but theyve lost thier shine. the recalls. the attitude of the service dept. the ubiquity.

go GM
 
You're just like a Toyota fanboy, except I don't see a real reason for you to be so close-minded. Where along the line were you so alienated by GM design? Did they kill your father?

This summer I drove cars for Enterprise. I've driven nearly every 2007 GM model... including all the ones YSSMAN loves so much. The new Tahoe, Suburban, and Yukon were absolute jokes, despite being hailed as 'brilliant' by our favorite Michigander.

But...Its not crap. It really isn't. Don't knock it 'till you try it.

You're missing the point. It is crap in the minds of hundreds of thousands of people who already believe it's crap based on the prior models. As I said it takes ten times the cash to get a new buyer than to keep an old one. GM is playing at a disadvantage from the beginning because the vehicle is already in the buyers' minds as being bad.

In short, they're already screwed, and this vehicle does not go anywhere near far enough to make them un-screwed. It could equal the Camry in every area, but it's missing that crucial thing the Camry has that it lacks: respect. Plain and simple.
 
First of all... for the life of me I don't get why any kind of brown on anything is good. :odd:

Second, I saw this car in a commercial and thought "wow... actually made it decent this time" but after seeing the back...
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:cough: Nissan Maxima :cough:
 
You're missing the point. It is crap in the minds of hundreds of thousands of people who already believe it's crap based on the prior models.

My mum is a great example of this. She is never buying another Mitsubishi again because of how bad her 1986 Sigma was.
 
The car has come along way since the 4th generation N-body car that was never very good. I still do not like the way the backside is designed though, those tail lamps look pretty ridiculous and even more so in person. My aunt just bought one and I'll be seeing her Thursday for Thanksgiving so I'm going to see if I can't take it for a drive to see how it is.

Would I buy one? Probably not, but then again I have no need for a vehicle that big.
 
Did she get an LS? I'd be really interested to see how that rides/drives by comparison with the softer suspension and less sport-oriented tires. The ride in the LTZ was by no means "stiff," but I think people would probably be more happy with the LS or LT models under most circumstances. Particularly if they were comparing the non-SE Camry.

It may not have the "respect" of a Camry or Accord, but when people are staring at it on the street and as "whats that?" under a lot of circumstances, its a good start. I'm surprised they haven't put one on Desperate Housewives yet. That would certainly get some attention for the car... Or am I the only weirdo who watches the show and notices the product placement of cars like the CTS, MKX and 300C?
 
I'm not sure which model she got, I only talked to her briefly on Friday. I'll post up what I think of though when she brings it by.
 
She is never buying another Mitsubishi again because of how bad her 1986 Sigma was.
Not necessarily a bad thing.



Anyways, I have to agree with Doug. This was relegated to rental fleets the second GM decided to call it Malibu. No matter how good the product, no matter how clever the commercials, no matter how much GM refuses to acknowledge it, the Camry and Accord will still outsell it. All GM can hope for is a good launching platform for the next model, which is when GM will be able to actually compete by sales.
The exact same thing applies to every Saturn (barring the Sky), and for the same reason.
I'm still on the fence with Ford, though (on the one hand, the previous Taurus was a outdated wreck outclassed by most competitors, bringing back negative connotations. On the other hand, most of the buyers probably won't care, being the same old fogies that bought the last Taurus).



I would also like to add that flappy paddles on a true automatic are the most useless things ever.


YSSMAN
Or am I the only weirdo who watches the show and notices the product placement of cars like the CTS, MKX and 300C?
Nah. There was a new CTS immediately after it launched on Burn Notice.
 
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