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Hi, this might be a bit odd, but has anyone ever made extra stuff for the game, tracks or cars? you know, playing it on a pc?

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Playing the game on a PC is technically illegal in some countries, and it's most certainly illegal to modify the game files without permission from Polyphony. Even then, Plyphony did not release the format in which the game's content was made/written, so you will have to find a programmer who is able to make sense of how the files are structured...

So, no.
 
Other than swapping stuff between Tourist Trophy and GT4, nothing has been accomplished yet, nor will anything likely be accomplished.

Your best bet is to head over to the Hybrids forum and stay tuned to the progress they're making there.
 
OK, Thanx for the info. I would just love to race the CRX around one of our local tracks. Saw a video on you tube where the guy from top gear took an NSX around laguna on GT4, and then went to the track with a real NSX. Would love to try the same thing 👍
 
By the way, I have been thinking, I dont think its illegal to play it on your pc or to edit the game, as long as you do not redistribute it. But should I do this stuff at home, I dont think Polyphony will have a problem with it. Just my 2 cents worth 👍
 
By the way, I have been thinking, I dont think its illegal to play it on your pc or to edit the game, as long as you do not redistribute it.
Read the disc. It says, "FOR HOME USE ONLY. Unauthorised copying, adaptation, rental, lending, distribution, extraction, re-sale, arcade use..... etc." What you are talking of doing is adaptation & extraction, both of which are expressly forbidden.

But should I do this stuff at home, I dont think Polyphony will have a problem with it. Just my 2 cents worth 👍
They will. You will have been mucking about with their property. They won't like that.
 
FOR HOME USE ONLY
What you are talking of doing is adaptation & extraction, both of which are expressly forbidden.

I bought a product but I am not allowed to modify it? Thats just extraodinary sick, thats like buying a Ferrari but you are not allowed to put a turbo in it. :indiff:

BTW, since when is ''adaption and extraction'' not home use?:dunce:
 
I bought a product but I am not allowed to modify it? Thats just extraodinary sick, thats like buying a Ferrari but you are not allowed to put a turbo in it. :indiff:
It is their product. They can put whatever restrictions on it they want. Ferrari could say that they will not allow anyone to modify their cars, but they have no way of stopping people, so they don't restrict it.

Any piece of commercial software will say that on it. They do not want people to change it. They want it to remain exactly as they wrote it.

BTW, since when is ''adaption and extraction'' not home use?:dunce:
Adaptation is changing it to work on another system. Extraction is taking it off the disc, and modifying the code of the program. Home use is sticking it in your PS2 and playing it.
 
It is their product. They can put whatever restrictions on it they want. Ferrari could say that they will not allow anyone to modify their cars, but they have no way of stopping people, so they don't restrict it.

How is that not the same thing for GT4 and PD, how are they able to stop people from doing it?
 
Ultimately, they can't, but they can hinder people by putting security measures on the disc.
 
On Youtube they say the track is in the Platinum/Greatest Hits version of GT4? :confused:


I would spend 20 euro's for an extra track :D

I don't think you understand. The Platinum version does not include Valenica. It was somehow (I'm no genious when it comes to modding games) taken from Tourist Trophy and put in GT4.
 
It is their product. They can put whatever restrictions on it they want. Ferrari could say that they will not allow anyone to modify their cars, but they have no way of stopping people, so they don't restrict it.

Any piece of commercial software will say that on it. They do not want people to change it. They want it to remain exactly as they wrote it.


Adaptation is changing it to work on another system. Extraction is taking it off the disc, and modifying the code of the program. Home use is sticking it in your PS2 and playing it.

Its like living in complex housing, you buy your house, but you are not allowed to alter the outside, casue all the units must look the same.

Still think its bull, I paid for it, now its mine. Like a car lol...:)
 
Polyphony does not want hackers or hybridders. Why do you think they have that loading bar after you buy an upgrade for your car? that is encryption taking place. On the other hand, altering the game wouldn't cause too many problems as long as it isn't something the company is opposed to [like the San Andreas hot coffee mod]. There are different 'levels,' if you will, of illegality. Murdering is much more illegal than stealing, which is in turn much more illegal than speeding. Hybridding and swapping tracks falls near enough the bottom to the point where Polyphony won't actively act against it; they will just more thoroughly encrypt GT5.
 
It is their product. They can put whatever restrictions on it they want. Ferrari could say that they will not allow anyone to modify their cars, but they have no way of stopping people, so they don't restrict it.

... they do try, though. Ferrari get very upset when a tuner modifies one of their cars. They don't like it and insist that the Tuner removes all Ferrari badges and that the car is not called or marketed as a Ferrari. This might legally be the strongest action they can take to prevent changes to what is someone else's property. You'll never see a Ferrari badge on a Koenig Competition, for instance. I think it's just Ferrari's way of trying to control their public image.

I can't say though how they would react to someone privately modifying their Ferrari. Also, there are plenty of 365GTB/4s running around with their roofs chopped off to turn them into GTS/4 replicas, and all of these that I have seen still have a Ferrari badge.

They have also put restrictions in the sales contract on various cars.. I remember reading that buyers of the F50 had to agree never to lend their car to a magazine for the purpose of being compared to a McLaren F1. I also read more recently that buyers of the Enzo cannot sell the car for a rather long time. Don't know how true this is as I am sure I've seen used examples on Auto Trader. I also don't know how much Ferrari can really do should an owner choose to breach either of these terms, apart perhaps from not invite said owner to purchase the next limited edition supercar.

Ultimately, though, and this is the same for computer games like GT4, Ferrari still own the intellectual rights or copyright to the car that they sell you even if you own the car itself, and these prevent individuals from making copies of this car. So while you own the GT4 disc and packaging that you purchased, PD still have copyright on the code. Again, like with Ferrari, this may give PD strong legal ground to prevent unauthorised manufacture of copies, but maybe weaker ground to preven modifications to the code / mechanics / appearance. I dunno though, I'm just guessing.
 
First of all I did not agree to any GT4 EULAs. By this I mean, I didn't sign any contracts with Sony, nor did I click on any "I agree to these license terms" type buttons. and the courts (in the USA anyway) have largely held that shrink wrap licenses are not valid (by opening this package you agree to these terms...).

If modifying the game were illegal then Gamesharks and Action Replay Maxes would be illegal, yet Sony has not gone after them, and Sony has a history of heavy-handed approaches to any sort of perceived IP infringement. They may not like hybriding, but they can't (legally) stop it.

I can buy a poster of <insert subject>, hang it on my wall and throw darts at it to my heart's content. However if I were to open a booth at a fair and invite others to throw darts at it, the IP property owner could take action against me.

Basically in the US I can do pretty much anything I want with the game, provided that it is for my own personal use.

With regard to Alfaholic's Ferrari examples, note these involve signed contracts.
 
I never read the manual's fine print or any of the print the disc, but it may say something like this....

Upon purchasing this item you are bound by contract blah blah blah.....

So maybe by just buying the game you're agreeing to a contract?
 
So maybe by just buying the game you're agreeing to a contract?

Bingo. It's about the same as you being an employer and agreeing to a contract with an employee. Just because you pay him his monthly paycheck it doesn't mean that you can sleep with his wife.
 

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