road and track report on new supra
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Yes, Road and Track just wrote a really small article about it.
Here is what it says:
"TOYOTA SUPRA HYBRID
Toyota will soon introduce a hybrid SUV based on the Lexus RX 330. And we hear that it will set the stage for Toyota's next big hybrid project, a sports car. It makes perfect sense for Toyota, a global leader in hybrid technology, to create a sports car with a hybrid twist. The new-wave Toyota 2+2 (below) is rumored to produce at least 300 bhp, sending power to all four wheels, using a similar system incorporated into the RX 330.
The CS&S concept car displayed at the Geneva auto show was apparently a tease. Rated at only 145 bhp, the CS&S was created to gauge public opinion of a possible hybrid sports car. The reaction from the media and public was good, so Toyota may have decided to go forward with the program. This 300-bhp hybrid sports car would fill the void left by the Supra a few year ago.--SM"
Well there is what the article says; sorry that I can't show you the picture it has. But I will tell you it looks like nothing like a Supra; how Toyota interpreted this "car" to be an evolution of the Supra boggles my mind. I would never consider buying this car, if it had the Supra name plate on it. It is just about as far away of being a Supra as it possibly can be. I see no resemblance to older Supra, nor do I think a Supra should have a hybrid drivetrain . . . as I should know, as I own one. It will either need a three liter inline-six or the 5.2 liter V8 from the JGTC cars. Also, a Supra should NOT have AWD . . . it never has, and it should not start now.
Here is what it says:
"TOYOTA SUPRA HYBRID
Toyota will soon introduce a hybrid SUV based on the Lexus RX 330. And we hear that it will set the stage for Toyota's next big hybrid project, a sports car. It makes perfect sense for Toyota, a global leader in hybrid technology, to create a sports car with a hybrid twist. The new-wave Toyota 2+2 (below) is rumored to produce at least 300 bhp, sending power to all four wheels, using a similar system incorporated into the RX 330.
The CS&S concept car displayed at the Geneva auto show was apparently a tease. Rated at only 145 bhp, the CS&S was created to gauge public opinion of a possible hybrid sports car. The reaction from the media and public was good, so Toyota may have decided to go forward with the program. This 300-bhp hybrid sports car would fill the void left by the Supra a few year ago.--SM"
Well there is what the article says; sorry that I can't show you the picture it has. But I will tell you it looks like nothing like a Supra; how Toyota interpreted this "car" to be an evolution of the Supra boggles my mind. I would never consider buying this car, if it had the Supra name plate on it. It is just about as far away of being a Supra as it possibly can be. I see no resemblance to older Supra, nor do I think a Supra should have a hybrid drivetrain . . . as I should know, as I own one. It will either need a three liter inline-six or the 5.2 liter V8 from the JGTC cars. Also, a Supra should NOT have AWD . . . it never has, and it should not start now.
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i would buy a hydrogen car up to 40K as long as it had AWD and 300HP (not bhp) stock. With good springs.
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Not bhp, HP.. I want 300hp to the wheels.
What's the point? Do you know what it'd cost? If horsepower was proportionate to the price of a hybrid - and it's not - you'd be paying $75000 - but you want triple the power of a Prius plus AWD for just $10000 more? You're off your mind.
I'm excited about the new RX400H but not about any hybrid sports cars - and plus, isn't Honda supposed to lead the way in engine technology?
Originally posted by VashTheStampede
I thought BMW was supposed to the leader in technology with all their gizmo's and thingamajige's.
Yeah, but Honda's always on about how they're an 'engine maker' and not a 'car maker' which - as certain members here might say - is total bollocks.
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Toyota/ItalDesign-Giugiaro Volta Concept
With the hybrid powered coupe Alessandro Volta, Fabrizio Giugiaro wanted to demonstrate that green power plants can also be a high performance car.
Toyota provided to Italdesign-Giugiaro its latest hybrid power plant, the one to be used into the Lexus RX400.
Italdesign-Giugiaro created a specific carbon fibre chassis for this 4.3-meter long coupe.
The car is named after Alessandro Volta, the Italian scientist who discovered the battery.
As the V6 3.3 litre engine is mounted near to the rear axle, there are no transmission shafts, nor exhaust tubes which need a central tunnel in the car. Consequently, the flat floor permitted Italdesign to house three passengers in a coupe which is slightly narrower than 2 meters.
Thanks to the combination of the internal combustion engine and of two electric motors, one for each axle, the Volta has a total output of 300 Kw / 408 hp, reaches 250 kph of top speed and accelerates from 0 to 100 kph in 4.06 seconds. But probably its most striking performance is the ability to cover 700 kms with a 52-liters gasoline tank.
I'd say the Volta here is the best bet for some elements of a successor to the Supra.
With the hybrid powered coupe Alessandro Volta, Fabrizio Giugiaro wanted to demonstrate that green power plants can also be a high performance car.
Toyota provided to Italdesign-Giugiaro its latest hybrid power plant, the one to be used into the Lexus RX400.
Italdesign-Giugiaro created a specific carbon fibre chassis for this 4.3-meter long coupe.
The car is named after Alessandro Volta, the Italian scientist who discovered the battery.
As the V6 3.3 litre engine is mounted near to the rear axle, there are no transmission shafts, nor exhaust tubes which need a central tunnel in the car. Consequently, the flat floor permitted Italdesign to house three passengers in a coupe which is slightly narrower than 2 meters.
Thanks to the combination of the internal combustion engine and of two electric motors, one for each axle, the Volta has a total output of 300 Kw / 408 hp, reaches 250 kph of top speed and accelerates from 0 to 100 kph in 4.06 seconds. But probably its most striking performance is the ability to cover 700 kms with a 52-liters gasoline tank.
I'd say the Volta here is the best bet for some elements of a successor to the Supra.
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I want to help the environment, not sacrifice performance.
Do you understand that the prius is a 20K car?
You want to pay for an overpriced Toyota sedan. Thats nice.
Do you understand that I was talking about a hydrogen car, not a hybrid? They would naturally be AWD. You would increase the size of the motors on the drivewheels, and boom more hp. Yes that is like a 10K difference in manufacturing. Buy it in Japan, you are looking at like 40 thousand euro at the most, for a basic package.
I want to help the environment, not sacrifice performance.
Do you understand that the prius is a 20K car?
You want to pay for an overpriced Toyota sedan. Thats nice.
Do you understand that I was talking about a hydrogen car, not a hybrid? They would naturally be AWD. You would increase the size of the motors on the drivewheels, and boom more hp. Yes that is like a 10K difference in manufacturing. Buy it in Japan, you are looking at like 40 thousand euro at the most, for a basic package.
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HYDROGEN.. sigh..
I am talking about the lexus that they were going to release a hybrid version of.. overpriced, sedan.
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Or none since it runs on hydrogen.
Hydrogen engines are internal combustion engines, the hydrogen burns (combusts) and combines with the oxygen, creating power - in 'normal' petrol engines, carbon combines with the oxygen.
The give away is the
IIRC the current thinking on hydrogen cars is using fuel cells, rather than any type of conventional 'gas' tank. (anyway, it'd be hydrogen tank, rather than gasoline tank)
The give away is the
which a hydrogen car should lack.
IIRC the current thinking on hydrogen cars is using fuel cells, rather than any type of conventional 'gas' tank. (anyway, it'd be hydrogen tank, rather than gasoline tank)
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Maybe I just need to see more pictures of it or something . . .
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