Schumachers own race!

[ELecTriC]

The last couple of years and most certainly this year GP, have become extremely boring to watch and follow! M. Schumacher is killing the sport in my opinion! Yep, he is indeed the greatest driver, and gives Ferrari a nice name. But he must see that he maybe should step down and take on an own team.. maybe replace Todt(?) or just switch team, although that wont happen! The "be boss" idea could actually be very interesting to watch!
I have started to see the secondplace driver as the leader now, because Schumacher is always leading and doing his own race!

Move over, Schumacher! Make F1 worthwhile watch again!

 

[Firestarter75]

Completely dumb. It is everyones job to step up their game, not to drag Ferrari down. I don't think the fact that Schumi pulls off win after win as boring, whether its conventional stratagy or blistering pace he will go down in history as one of the greats of the racing world. Enjoy it now while you can, Senna could have gone on for several more years but he was robbed from us. Schumi could be robbed from at anytime.

 

[wellyrn]

riiiiiiiight.... the racing is still interesting behind schumacher. He's killing the other drivers not the sport.

 

[Bollocks#999]

Short memories some people have, you obviously dont remember when Williams and Mclaren where dominating the sport do you?

Ferrari are paying back, with intrest, what they didnt get at the end of the 70's up to 1999:
Drivers and Constructors championships

As Firestater75 said, it is up to the other teams to lift their game, and they have said as much

Just because you are a gun driver doesnt make the ideal candidate for a team boss, anyone remember Alain Prost?

 

[High-Test]

Just because you are a gun driver doesnt make the ideal candidate for a team boss, anyone remember Alain Prost?

Who's Alain prost?

he can't be the guy who was the winningest F1 driver before schumacher can he? no..... I think that was Engelbert Humperdink. [/Sarcasm\]

 

[Bollocks#999]

And that post achieved what exactly?

 

[Eagle]

Raised his count by 1.

I thought someone had beat me to the punch on the German GP, but my fears were unfounded.

The other teams argue that when they were dominating, they at least let their drivers race amongst themselves, ie Senna/Prost at McLaren. I think Rubens gets a raw deal occasionally but I also think that but for what Ferrari has gifted him, Rubens wouldn't have made anything like the name he has for himself. I love the guy and he's a good driver, but he doesn't seem to spark often, and with a bad car I imagine that'd be worse, as it was for the first 6 years of his career, so I think even if Rubens has to finish second most of the time, he appreciate second more than last.

Ferrari will fall eventually, McLaren already look to be pegging the gap. Schumacher will indeed retire, and with the proposed rule changes 2005 may be as open as 2003 was, so sit tight and have faith, and do your best to appreciate the fact you're alive to see something people will be talking about for decades, if not centuries.

 

[vat_man]

Tell you what to do when a team gets dominant (this is an old trick from the McLaren days) - you set up your own little championship excluding the team in question. I keep a spreadsheet (using the old 10-6-4-3-2-1 point system) and simply update the results excluding Ferrari.

I had a ripper finish last year, with Raikkonen taking the win to hold off Montoya for the 'non-Ferrari' championship, but Williams did enough in the penultimate round to hold McLaren out for the constructors.

This year, Button leads Trulli, but both have faltered in recent rounds to give Alonso a bit of a sniff. Renault leads BAR (held back by Sato not contributing), and these two are clear of Williams and McLaren (who have started to score in recent rounds).

The races are still as dull as paint, but hey, at least you've got someone to follow!

 

[Blake]

Teams dominating is just part of motorsport. It's what every manufacturor wants. Thye're not designing there cars for a close race, they are designing then to wipe the competition. MSC shouldn't be hated for winning all the time, I mena in 02 I really didn't like him, in 03 when the FIA changed the rules just to handicap him, he still won. That has to make you respect at least the skill he has. Sure he has a great team but you have to remember Ferrari was the laughing stock befor Micheal got there. When MSC gets into his older year I would like to see him go into Miniardi and try to bring them up from the bottom, at least with some sponsership dollers.

Blake

 

[vat_man]

. MSC shouldn't be hated for winning all the time, I mena in 02 I really didn't like him, in 03 when the FIA changed the rules just to handicap him, he still won.

That's right. He should be hated for taking Hill off in Adelaide in '94 and attempting to take Villeneuve off in '97, not to mention other on-track indiscretions over the years.

 

[Eagle]

heh, yeah well, there's been a few black moments.

I like your idea vat_man, I'd wondered about doing something like that, I thought last year was close enough regardless though.

 

[Blake]

Yeah, it's a good idea but I really see no point in following your own championship.

Yeah, Micheal has had some bad moments but he's had a hell of a lot more good ones....God I'm starting to sound like a Schumacher supporter

Blake

 

[Eagle]

Welcome to the dark side...

 

[Carl.]

The only problem I ever had about Schumi or Ferrari (except for the two events Vat_man listed, and that's quite enough) is their #1 driver rule. They wouldn't accept a more competitive second driver, such as Kimi, JPM, Buton or Alonso. Their domination would be so more "enjoyable".

That said, we can't hold them responsible for other teams behing too far behind. But personnaly I'm about to stop watching predictable (and dull) races. Yes, Ferrari performance and reliability are impressive, so is Micheal's consistency, but winning wihtout any fight on the track is very boring to watch.

And pit strategies battles won't help it. I don't watch live chess games, so...

 

[ELecTriC]

Didnt excpet so many replies! Guess i hit the sweetspot.


Just look at the standings... Shumacher has won every race he's been in.
Fun for him and Ferrari... Total dominans! Shumacher at 100 points and closest none Ferrari driver at 53! Christ! Just give him a go-cart to race with, maybe then it could be some fun to watch! lol
I would really like to see a new world champion for a change... see a new face at the top!.

Arrrghh, i dont know what else to say.. i just want a more interesting race to watch!
!

 

[Firestarter75]

Watching a motorrace for just who wins only gives you a very small chance of going away happy. Enjoy the sport for the speed, the precision, the excitement, the close calls. Don't base your happyness on winning, base it on the sport itself.

And Schumacher has not won every race he has been in.

 

[Carl.]

Watching a motorrace for just who wins only gives you a very small chance of going away happy. Enjoy the sport for the speed, the precision, the excitement, the close calls. Don't base your happyness on winning, base it on the sport itself.

And Schumacher has not won every race he has been in.

I like every thing you describe. But I enjoy (and miss) even more close and unpredictable fights than sunday processions, engineering and budgetary battles.

 

[Firestarter75]

Why do you say F1 is about budgetary battles? Toyota has the highest, McLaren is close and then comes Ferrari. Toyota can barely keep up with Jaguar and until this past race McLaren couldn't keep up with themselves. Throwing money does nothing unless you have the right pieces at the right places. High performance sportscar and open wheel racing has always been about engineering, to be thats one of the enjoyable things about high performance cars. Spec racing has its place, just not on top of the worlds ladders.

 

[Carl.]

Why do you say F1 is about budgetary battles? Toyota has the highest, McLaren is close and then comes Ferrari. Toyota can barely keep up with Jaguar and until this past race McLaren couldn't keep up with themselves. Throwing money does nothing unless you have the right pieces at the right places. High performance sportscar and open wheel racing has always been about engineering, to be thats one of the enjoyable things about high performance cars. Spec racing has its place, just not on top of the worlds ladders.

I thinks It's probably a matter of time for Toyota (looking at choices like Ralf, perhaps quite a while...) I'm ok with engineering battles, but it's sad if 90% of the championship is won there.

Some might say that current F1 is history in the making and we'll miss that when it's over. I don't know about that... the races I'm currently missing are the ones that had more than 1 or 2 (meaningful) overtake maneuver.

 

[Eagle]

Do you know how many times Fangio passed cars en route to winning the 1954 Argentinian GP?

Get this:

The big story was the decision by Mercedes-Benz to return to Grand Prix racing for the first time since the Second World War. The new W196 was a technical marvel, but was not ready until the third race of the year.

In fact in 1954, Fangio won all but two races, the final event in Spain and midseason in Britain, where he finished 3rd and 4th respectively, and clinched the title with just shy of double the points of the next contender. The Mercedes-Benz campaign was dubbed the "blank cheque" operation.

Sound familiar?

Oh, and as for the team budgets: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1128110&postcount=90

 

[Blake]

Just give him a go-cart to race with, maybe then it could be some fun to watch! lol

I dunno, super Carts make faster lap times around Albert Park then F1 cars...

 

[Carl.]

Do you know how many times Fangio passed cars en route to winning the 1954 Argentinian GP?

Get this:



In fact in 1954, Fangio won all but two races, the final event in Spain and midseason in Britain, where he finished 3rd and 4th respectively, and clinched the title with just shy of double the points of the next contender. The Mercedes-Benz campaign was dubbed the "blank cheque" operation.

Sound familiar?

Good for him, but if I have to make choice between watching any race of 1954 or one of the following races:

Dijon 79 -
Monza 71 - 5 cars in .641 seconds

I'd choose the latter, as impressive as Fangio was.

 

[Eagle]

I was more addressing the guy who said he didn't expect to be talking about Schumacher like we do Fangio. There have been many interesting races in every era. I'd take Britain 2003.

 

[Carl.]

I was more addressing the guy who said he didn't expect to be talking about Schumacher like we do Fangio. There have been many interesting races in every era. I'd take Britain 2003.

Sorry, my bad.

Schumi's will definetely become a legend, as Fangio or Senna.