Wow, I think those are two pretty driveable cars! here are my settings:
Vitz RS - approx 260-290 horsepower, race suspension, transmission, and lightweight, T2 tires:
Springs: 6.0/6.2
Ride Ht: 89/89
Bound: 4/8
Rebound: 5/9
Camber: 3.5/1.0
Toe: +0.5/-0.5
Swaybars: 4/5
Autoset: 25
FD: 4.312
LSD: 10/15/5
That was more than enough to cream the Vitz Pro series.
MS Elise - about 250 hp, race suspension, race LSD, T4s front, T5s rear
Springs: 8.4/7.7
Ride Ht: 80/80
Bound: 7/7
Rebound: 7/7
Camber: 3.0/1.0
Toe: +0/-0
Swaybars: 3/3
Autoset: 24
FD: 4.200
LSD: 10/20/20
I didn't do a lot of suspension sorting on this car. I'm sure it could be dialled in a little better, but it was fun to drive this way, and won the pro Elise Cup.
What are these cars doing that makes you call them "undriveable"?