Setup for 69 Camaro Z29 at Circuit Spa

KB18FAN
Just take one of the 20+ I found doing a search and adapt it to that track.
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Sorry, a High Speed Ring setup is not a Nurburgring setup is not a Daytona setup is not a Spa setup. You could have been a productive forum member and posted a outlet of these setups. Instead you act like a disgruntled retail worker and help customers by pointing and saying "over there".

Which of those 20 would be most like a Spa setup?

Levi, check out RKM Motorsports for setups. I'm on the GTP App, so I can't post a link for you.
 
DaveTheStalker
Sorry, a High Speed Ring setup is not a Nurburgring setup is not a Daytona setup is not a Spa setup. You could have been a productive forum member and posted a outlet of these setups. Instead you act like a disgruntled retail worker and help customers by pointing and saying "over there".

Which of those 20 would be most like a Spa setup?

Levi, check out RKM Motorsports for setups. I'm on the GTP App, so I can't post a link for you.
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I got a better idea then, why don't people just stop being lazy and expecting other people to do the work for them and search for them themselves. As for your smartass comment, this ain't no retail store and I don't recall anyone on here paying me.
 
KB18FAN
I got a better idea then, why don't people just stop being lazy and expecting other people to do the work for them and search for them themselves. As for your smartass comment, this ain't no retail store and I don't recall anyone on here paying me.
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Mmhmm.

"over there ->"

You failed to address what REALLY mattered. Which of those 20 setups would be best suited for Spa?
 
KB18FAN
I got a better idea then, why don't people just stop being lazy and expecting other people to do the work for them and search for them themselves. As for your smartass comment, this ain't no retail store and I don't recall anyone on here paying me.
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Well, how about have a quick think. There are new members here, they don't know of the search function, they just want help, and will look for it in the most direct way they know of. They enter the tuning forums, but as the every tune thread is unstickied, they move on to the next step with the 'create thread' button and make a thread on it.

And that comment he made was pretty accurate. From just about every post regarding searching for tunes that you've made, it seems to me that you have nothing else to contribute to a thread other than saying 'use your brain and eyes to search for one'.
 
I just searched for "1969 Camaro setup for Spa". Guess how many results... 84. I skimmed through several and didn't find what I was ACTUALLY searching for. I didn't find it in Members Cars, Photo Gallery, the list of RM cars, nor What are you Eating/drinking?.

I dare you to search for "LFA".
 
^ I think it's realistic in that way. If you turn a real '69 Camaro into a race car, you would be replacing sheet metal after just about every race. When you purchase aftermarket body panels for any 1st gen. Camaro, the panels all come as '67 parts and must be modified to fit the later year lights and trim. On a pure race car, you certainly wouldn't waste your time modifying a fender to be "69 correct" if your just gonna smash it and replace it within a week.
 
DaveTheStalker
I just searched for "1969 Camaro setup for Spa". Guess how many results... 84. I skimmed through several and didn't find what I was ACTUALLY searching for. I didn't find it in Members Cars, Photo Gallery, the list of RM cars, nor What are you Eating/drinking?.

I dare you to search for "LFA".
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And not to mention that, even after you've skimmed through the results and found some tunes for the car you want, most, if not all of them are out of date (as in before the spec II update). Admittedly some of the 'spec I' tunes work fine, but really it's all a bit hit and miss.
 
Mudd
^ I think it's realistic in that way. If you turn a real '69 Camaro into a race car, you would be replacing sheet metal after just about every race. When you purchase aftermarket body panels for any 1st gen. Camaro, the panels all come as '67 parts and must be modified to fit the later year lights and trim. On a pure race car, you certainly wouldn't waste your time modifying a fender to be "69 correct" if your just gonna smash it and replace it within a week.
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Excuse me, what!?!?!? You don't think there are aftermarket '69 body panels? Well, you think wrong.

Just an example. '69 quarter panel:
http://www.yearone.com/serverfiles/fbshopmain2.asp?hid=820AC11987

And for your information, if PD would've wanted to go realistic, this is what the '69 RM would look like:

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Easy, I didn't say you couldn't get '69 specific panels, it's just much more common and cost effective for the aftermarket companies to make one fender or quarter that can be easily modified for three years of Camaro. And it was just my opinion, sorry of it upset you somehow.
 
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Mudd
Easy, I didn't say you couldn't get '69 specific panels, it's just much more common and cost effective for the aftermarket companies to make one fender or quarter that can be easily modified for three years of Camaro. And it was just my opinion, sorry of it upset you somehow.
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I still don't understand you. What do you mean "cost effective"? The price for all three (67-68 and 69) panels are the same, so my guess is that the cost to manufacture them is about the same for all three as well.

I don't mean to sound upset, but it's just that when you said "I think it's realistic in that way" I was like "WTF!?". You can fit 67 panels on a 68 and vice versa, but I have never ever seen a 67 or 68 panel fitted to a 69, so it's nothing but unrealistic in my opinion.
 
Honestly, I doubt any of them have been updated lately, but I did just run a '69 Z28 in some online races last night at a couple tracks and saw no reason to change my setup from how it was before 2.0. I know there are some physics changes, but it really didn't seem to effect that particular car. (for me, anyways). Most of the tunes in there are general, not track specific, but I often race a couple of the guys in there and we really have no need to adjust very much from track to track. Top speed is about the only adjustment.

Strittan, it's difficult to see emotion in text, I'm certainly not offended or upset either. By 'cost effective' I mean the manufacturer would have to make three different lines to make three different panels, much cheaper for them to make one panel that can be modified to fit. Doesnt mean that's the only way it's done, but I have seen it that way often. Give me a minute, I'll edit in a pic of a '69 that I've personally worked on.

Well, dammit, I'm gonna make a liar out of myself. I can't find the '69 pics I was thinking of. I did find the '68 Camaro that came through not long ago and it's not the best pic to prove my point, but it does have the '67 rear quarters with no park/turn lamps in them. '68 should have the rectangle park lamps in the rear quarter, almost at the bumper. Of course, this one also has a '69 hood on it but I'm just showing we're I got my opinions from.
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Mudd
Strittan, it's difficult to see emotion in text, I'm certainly not offended or upset either. By 'cost effective' I mean the manufacturer would have to make three different lines to make three different panels, much cheaper for them to make one panel that can be modified to fit. Doesnt mean that's the only way it's done, but I have seen it that way often. Give me a minute, I'll edit in a pic of a '69 that I've personally worked on.
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Can't wait to see that pic. I googled but found nothing.

Mudd
Well, dammit, I'm gonna make a liar out of myself. I can't find the '69 pics I was thinking of. I did find the '68 Camaro that came through not long ago and it's not the best pic to prove my point, but it does have the '67 rear quarters with no park/turn lamps in them. '68 should have the rectangle park lamps in the rear quarter, almost at the bumper. Of course, this one also has a '69 hood on it but I'm just showing we're I got my opinions from.
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I thought so...

Fitting a '67 quarter panel on a '68 is no problem, because they're the same (except for those side marker lights of course), and I pointed that out several times. A '69 however has very different shapes, and I find it hard to believe this has ever been done. It would need tons of modifications and the result would just look odd anyway.
 
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I'm seeing your point clearly now, I must have been thinking of the '67 to '68 this whole time. Apoligies for hijacking the thread and causing this somewhat pointless but interesting debate.:dopey:
 
No worries. The '69 Camaro just happens to be one of my all time favorite cars, that's why it got me wondering.

Sorry for bringing the thread off-topic guys.
 
Onboy123
Well, how about have a quick think. There are new members here, they don't know of the search function, they just want help, and will look for it in the most direct way they know of. They enter the tuning forums, but as the every tune thread is unstickied, they move on to the next step with the 'create thread' button and make a thread on it.

And that comment he made was pretty accurate. From just about every post regarding searching for tunes that you've made, it seems to me that you have nothing else to contribute to a thread other than saying 'use your brain and eyes to search for one'.
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DaveTheStalker
I just searched for "1969 Camaro setup for Spa". Guess how many results... 84. I skimmed through several and didn't find what I was ACTUALLY searching for. I didn't find it in Members Cars, Photo Gallery, the list of RM cars, nor What are you Eating/drinking?.

I dare you to search for "LFA".
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gtplanet is great as a hub for information and news. The forums are great for everything else but the tunes themselves. The tuning section informative for all the actual "how tos" but is kind of hard to navigate to search for tunes. I know there is the consolidated tunes thread with all the garages but we must be honest that it would take awhile to figure out who tunes are actually good for your driving style.

I wish more tuners would congregate on http://www.gtvault.com/gt5/setup-list/ or http://www.gt5-tuning.com/index.php?title=Category:Models because they are WWAAAYYY easier to look for stuff in. GTVault is preferable because it is done in a smart way and each tune has its own discussion and doesn't get lost in a long thread of many tunes. Every car in the game is searchable and all tunes will drop down for that specific car, if they exist. Now they just need to get filled up.

I have already put someones elses tune on GTVault and credited them. I think I am going to put all the others people's tunes I have used or use on there just to have them in an organized place and maybe get more people into it in hopes that the prolific tuners here will maybe start putting their tunes up on GTVault themselves.

Also, for all the tunes that are in gtplanet threads, someone has gone through A LOT of work putting links to all of them here http://sites.google.com/site/gt5tune/
You can ctrl-f to find the model you want and all the garages with tunes for that model will be listed.
 
If only GT5Tune was somewhat mobile friendly...

GTVault is a good source. I haven't been back since GT4 though. I didn't find much when I was searching for GT5P setups.
 
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DaveTheStalker
Mmhmm.

"over there ->"

You failed to address what REALLY mattered. Which of those 20 setups would be best suited for Spa?
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Thats for you to decide. You want to know where the setups are, I can tell you but YOU have to decide which one works for you. Pretty simple. I can show you where the bathroom is, but I'm not gonna wipe your butt for you.
 
KB18FAN
Thats for you to decide. You want to know where the setups are, I can tell you but YOU have to decide which one works for you. Pretty simple. I can show you where the bathroom is, but I'm not gonna wipe your butt for you.
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You, being so experienced in the matter, could tell me what the best toilet paper is though. There's Cottonelle Double Roll, Single Roll, Ultra, Ultra with Aloe, Scott's super cheap super scratchy, Charmin, Charmin Basics, Northern, paper towels, or even leaves if you are outdoors.

It's your choice how productive of a forum member you want to be.

The author of this thread did not ask "Where can I find setups?". He asked about something pretty specific. YOU decided to answer with deliberate withholding of the information he was seeking.
 
KB18FAN
I got a better idea then, why don't people just stop being lazy and expecting other people to do the work for them and search for them themselves. As for your smartass comment, this ain't no retail store and I don't recall anyone on here paying me.
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No-ones being lazy just asking a simple question. If you dont have a setup for spa then this question dont matter to you, and shouldnt bother you.
 
Guys don't mind KB18FAN...he goes around the forum randomly trolling and getting his panties in a bunch everytime someone asks a question.

Anyway...as someone stated earlier the shape and look of the 67-68 Camaro is completely different from a 69. The main differences between the 67 and 68 is the 67 has circular turn signals in the grille whereas the 68 has rectangular turn signals in the grille. The 67 also has a windbreaker in the driver's and passenger's windows whereas the 68 has one solid window pane.

The RM 69 Camaro actually keeps the 69 headlights and taillights but adopts the 68 fenders.
 

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