Shift 2 reviews in launch trailer... 9.0 from 3 major reviewers...

[Animal_Mother]

Grind or no grind does not change the quality of a game.

I completely disagree. Grinding can seriously alter the fun factor and replay value of a game, which is something I would hope reviewers would consider in their scoring. If you like pointless repetition in order to progress in a game, then grinding is something you might get excited about. But for others it leads them to become bored, lose interest and look for another game to fill that space.

 

[UkHardcore23]

I completely disagree. Grinding can seriously alter the fun factor and replay value of a game, which is something I would hope reviewers would consider in their scoring. If you like pointless repetition in order to progress in a game, then grinding is something you might get excited about. But for others it leads them to become bored, lose interest and look for another game to fill that space.

Totally agree, having such little events drastically changes the quality of the game.

GT4 felt like a full game, GT5 does not. Hopefully Shift will have a fair amount of events to compete in.

 

[xSTIG_JUNIORx]

Grind or no grind does not change the quality of a game.

My disliking of GT5 is about grinding in 1st place ! Other reasons come after...

 

[Destinkeys]

If Eurogamer gave GT5 a 9, what did they give iRacing? a 15?

Or do they score things like GT5's XP progression... once you get to 37/40 you are halfway to 40/40!

 

[tinram]

I completely disagree. Grinding can seriously alter the fun factor and replay value of a game, which is something I would hope reviewers would consider in their scoring. If you like pointless repetition in order to progress in a game, then grinding is something you might get excited about. But for others it leads them to become bored, lose interest and look for another game to fill that space.

I see your point, but i'm into casually enjoying the game rather than finishing it so it does not bother me as much. Heck, I never finished GT4.
It's a big world and we should be able to agree to disagree .

 

[Animal_Mother]

I see your point, but i'm into casually enjoying the game rather than finishing it so it does not bother me as much. Heck, I never finished GT4.
It's a big world and we should be able to agree to disagree .

Of course we can both enjoy the game in the way we want to. I don't so much care about how long it takes me to finish the game as how many times I have to repeat the same old boring races instead of always having new events that actually make a dent in my level of progression. There are so many aspects of GT5 that cripple your ability to get the cars you want (which is the point, right? To acquire and enjoy driving all of those many different rides?) that it borders on insanity. That's why so many people, myself included, turned to duping, glitching and save game manipulation in order to get new rides. In the old GT's the economy of the game was set up (specifically the resale of expensive prize cars) in such a way that even though it took me a very long time to complete all the events, I never had to spend hours and hours just to purchase one vehicle that was only useful on one event.

 

[vrooom]

Review scores are in my opinion useless!
9/10, 8/10, 8.75/10, whatever, how can you possibly objectively quantify the difference in quality between different games?

Game reviews are only useful when they mention the strong and weak points of a game. Something like:

• The graphics are great
• The shadows are glitchy
• The frame rate is steady/there is obious screen tearing etc
• The handling feels great

or when they compare the differences between games (like for example Shift has better sounds than GT5, GT5 has a better Nordschleife than Shift etc). I personally prefer video reviews (like gametrailer's) only because I can see footage from a game and I don't care for the final review score.

This way reviews can be useful to judge if you may like a game or not. And you still can't be sure until you try the game.

Review scores are fanboy ammunition for flame-wars and a mechanism for increasing the web traffic to a game-review site.

I found the first Shift to be an excellent and very enjoyable racing game that offered a believable driving/racing experience once I tweaked the wheel settings to my liking. I am still having fun with Shift and I am expecting Shift 2 to be even better!

 

[Destinkeys]

It's easy to avoid grinding, if you don't focus on making cr. and XP your main goal, but there's no way around how SLOW the AI are, without turning a race into a farce and nerfing your car WAY slower than the AI.

TBH, this, more than the grind is my main disappointment in GT5, along with the severe lack of different events (which Seasonals does not address, as they quickly become unrepeatable). You either have to luck out online, and find a clean lobby that wants to race what YOU do (best of luck), or you can't really race at all.

 

[tribolik]

Those scores are pretty much where I would put them at.

GP4 (if that's Crammond's GP4) is the game that got me started and GTR2 got me hooked.

SHIFT 1 had its moment although I can't play the game for more than an hour before the flaws become readily apparent. As a game and by that I mean if you can overlook the basic and the most fundamental flaws in the driving physics, I would rate GRID higher than SHIFT 1. The way CM designed the gameplay was quite extraordinary. And the crash physics is still untouchable to this day.

Eurogamer IMO is full of ... they gave F1 CE a 6/10 and I m still playing it and enjoying the game a lot (it might even be my favority game of all times right next to GT4). I would score it a 9/10 but it is for sure a 8/10 game and f1 2010 is a 9/10 even though to me its a 8/10 game and GT5 to me is a 7/10 game but it might deserve a 8/10 not more...

I really dont trust reviewers all that much what I trust is metacritic combined review scores from reviewers and users - thats pretty much spot on-

F1 CE - metascore-74 user score-89
F1 2010 - metascore-84 user score-79
GT5 - metascore-84 user score-75
Shift - metascore-84 user score-73
FM3 - metascore-92 user score-79

Now to me thats pretty much spot on and tells me alot about the games and the reviews

 

[UkHardcore23]

Eurogamer IMO is full of ... they game F1 CE 6/10 and I m still playing it and enjoying the game a lot. I would score it a )7/10 but it is for sure a 8/10 game and f1 2010 IS A 9/10 even tough to me its a 8/10 game and GT5 to me is a 7/10 game but it might deserve a 8/10 not more...

I really dont trust reviewers all that much what I trust is metacritic conbined review scores from reviewers and users - thats pretty much spot on-

F1 CE - metascore-74 user score-89
F1 2010 - metascore-84 user score-79
GT5 - metascore-84 user score-75
Shift - metascore-84 user score-73
FM3 - metascore-92 user score-79

Now to me thats pretty much spot on and tells me alot about the games and the reviews

User score's mean nothing as alot of the time the person scoring has never played the game.

 

[tribolik]

User score's mean nothing as alot of the time the person scoring has never played the game.

I would say the same goes for the reviewer but in this case I must say that I dont agree with you because most user scores and reviews (yes I actualy read them not all but almost) reflect my opinions one way or the other, and if you bothered to read the user reviews you would see that most of them have bought and played the game...

 

[boxox]

Yeah, on the other hand, you do get coordinates strikes happening on these from various forums/fanbodys/defense forces. GT5 I'm sure has a chunk taken out of it by Forza 3 fans. Forza 3 I'm sure has a drop attributable to people who were dead set GT5 was going to be better. And I think Shift got beat up by both groups

 

[tribolik]

Yeah, on the other hand, you do get coordinates strikes happening on these from various forums/fanbodys/defense forces. GT5 I'm sure has a chunk taken out of it by Forza 3 fans. Forza 3 I'm sure has a drop attributable to people who were dead set GT5 was going to be better. And I think Shift got beat up by both groups

I know that and I agree but that balances off with the fanboyish reviews of 10/10 and in the end it almost adds up.

For example F1 CE I didnt want to buy it at first because of the bad reviews most of them where 6/10. the best review I read was from gamespot and it was a 7/10 but they bashed the game on the writen review, but I bought it because I bumped into metacritic page and read the user scores and reviews where they bashed the professional reviewers above all, and I most say (bought it 2 years ago for 25 euros) it was the best buy I made when it comes to video games so that makes me think that you cant only trust reviewers all that much.

 

[UkHardcore23]

I know that and I agree but that balances off with the fanboyish reviews of 10/10 and in the end it almost adds up.

For example F1 CE I didnt want to buy it at first because of the bad reviews most of them where 6/10. the best review I read was from gamespot and it was a 7/10 but they bashed the game on the writen review, but I bought it because I bumped into metacritic page and read the user scores and reviews where they bashed the professional reviewers above all, and I most say (bought it 2 years ago for 25 euros) it was the best buy I made when it comes to video games so that makes me think that you cant only trust reviewers all that much.

Reviewers and user reviews are the exact same - Someones opinion!

 

[tribolik]

Yeah and you know what they say about opinions, they are like B&% holes... everybody has got their own but most of them stink kidding

on a more serious note..

Maybe but not quite the same... some are honest opinions others are forced opinions...

 

[Silver-Sylph]

I'd rather wait for GTR3 for FIA GT racing. Also none of those reviews mean nothing. They review on graphics and gameplay. Not car physics and everything else that matters with a REAL sim.

 

[tribolik]

I'd rather wait for GTR3 for FIA GT racing. Also none of those reviews mean nothing. They review on graphics and gameplay. Not car physics and everything else that matters with a REAL sim.

Nobody here is talking about a real sim... there are no real sim for consoles that I know of... if you want to talk about real sims then you are in the wrong forum my friend.

 

[porsche 9146]

Nobody here is talking about a real sim... there are no real sim for consoles that I know of... if you want to talk about real sims then you are in the wrong forum my friend.

racePRO is the closest thing to a real sim on the current generation of consoles, if that's your thing. what I like to call the "factory teams", GT and FM, are pretty much tied for second most realistic. none of the three hold much of a candle to rFactor, GTR2 and iRacing.

 

[Luminis]

racePRO is the closest thing to a real sim on the current generation of consoles, if that's your thing. what I like to call the "factory teams", GT and FM, are pretty much tied for second most realistic. none of the three hold much of a candle to rFactor, GTR2 and iRacing.

Exactly. And, as far as I am concerned, one shouldn't expect to see anything (or, at least, not many games) that rivals games like GTR or iRacing on consoles, not in the near future at least.
Maybe on the next generation of consoles, but I kinda doubt it.
One of the main allures of a console is the accesibility and overall casual-friendly-ness. Not saying that there are no 'serious' games out there, but in my opinion, those are ther very minority and it'll stay that way. Add to that that a real sim would make owning a wheel even more of a necessity. Doesn't make it any more appealing to thee devs, I think.

There might be a pure-bred racing sim on the next PlayStation or XBox, but I certainly doubt that any of the bigger companies will put it out - simply because a game that labels itself as a simulation but is simcade at its core (like Gran Turismo, Forza and Shift) will probably appeal to a lot more people and, therefore, sell better.