Shuffle, Hand over, or Glued

[888 Tuning]

Having recently setup a wheel and cockpit and watched friends hack their way around the tracks, I notice some distinct differences in driving technique but the most obvious is the "wheel control"

I have always been a "2-hands fixed" kinda guy and really only a few corners in the game challenge this such as Eigers S's. Watching my mate through here he does the hand shuffle which works, yet he loses control through not being fluid in the wheel movements through other corners.

I had a quick google and find merits on the differing methods and am curious as to what most people use and if it makes a difference, ie have you conciously changed from one to the other and found improvement?

 

[peter_vod69]

Shuffling is for trucks and buses. The only reason your parents generation might have done it is for driving around in tanks with five hundred and seventy six turns lock-to-lock. In modern cars it is not only unnecessary, but its clumsy.

When I did driver training about nine years ago, they taught me to hold the wheel at "quarter to three" and hook my thumbs over the spokes (if you get my meaning). Once the wheel had gone around 180deg I'd take the hand that was underneath and swing it back over the top to grab hold again. But really that is only required for very tight, low speed stuff.

 

[Paulie]

Fixed hands for me, but in my Ute or any car in real life, it depends on the corner, if it's tight enough you don't really have a choice, but certainly in GT5 with its race car like steering it's always fixed hands.

 

[Dijital Majik]

Mainly glued at 3:45, but I find it uncomfortable to go full 180 like this, so lift my lower hand to anywhere up to the 12'o clock position depending on the rotation required.

Sort of like the Tsuchiya (NSX) and the CR-X driver in this vid (around the 1:00 to 1:20min mark):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=tRjyAxRkTeQ

It was a concious descision to do this after years of trying to stick through the uncomfort of a fixed position, and then seeing how some of the drivers on best motoring/hot version didn't always stick to it. Definitely an improvement for me.

 

[Leonidae]

hand over, although it's bit tricky with the small wheel of G25

 

[WolfRacer543]

For a racing game, I usually have my hands fixed for 90% of corners. The couple that actually require a decent amount of wheel turn I just grab the wheel at the bottom and wrench it around in one fluid motion.

 

[Paulie]

What exactly is hand over?

 

[888 Tuning]

Hand over hand.. ie how you used to get a VB commodore from lock to lock : )

 

[PAPAOSA]

YUP !! .........

 

[Paulie]

Hand over hand.. ie how you used to get a VB commodore from lock to lock : )

But how is it different to shuffle?

 

[Jay]

I keep two hands on the wheel, if I need more lock (not often) I will remove one hand but thats it. If I am drifting and need rapid wheel movement then I keep bother hands pretty loose so I can spin and catch the wheel as needed

Watching my mate through here he does the hand shuffle which works, yet he loses control through not being fluid in the wheel movements through other corners.

My nephew is much the same, he is a fast driver but he shuffles and sometimes he can't counter and straighten the wheel correctly as he sort of gets 'lost' to centre position and the car snaps back at him and spins. I have been teaching him to keep atleast one hand in the same position for quick accurate counters and the fact he doesn't need the amount of steering lock he puts in as the car understeers.

But how is it different to shuffle?

Your hands/arms cross

 

[in.s@ne]

I use a combination of both.
When I'm driving in the real world, I just do whatever comes. When it comes to racing, I'm generally fix handed, with the exception being really tight corners, in which case I go hand over.
The fix hands just let me feel what's going on better, and also I can flick the car back quickly when I get it wrong.

 

[DaveTheStalker]

IRL, I'll 'palm' in tight slow lock to lock turning. In GT5P, I'm 90% glued at 3 & 9 as a natural position. Even the G25 does not control EXACTLY like a real wheel. Electronic FFB is not perfect yet.

 

[SR-71_Blackbird]

Shuffle for me. Works well now that Im used to it and I find it makes me more comfterble in need of correcting. I also shuffle in real life and have not had problems.

 

[Ghost_drift]

Steer less. drift more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTj0tkrIP_I

 

[EL_ZISSOU]

Shuffling is for trucks and buses. The only reason your parents generation might have done it is for driving around in tanks with five hundred and seventy six turns lock-to-lock. In modern cars it is not only unnecessary, but its clumsy.

When I did driver training about nine years ago, they taught me to hold the wheel at "quarter to three" and hook my thumbs over the spokes (if you get my meaning). Once the wheel had gone around 180deg I'd take the hand that was underneath and swing it back over the top to grab hold again. But really that is only required for very tight, low speed stuff.

i would respond, but this guy said everything i would have said

 

[balang_479]

2 hands glued at all times and when a corner is sharp just take one hand of to extent the wheel.. but this is when driving in real life.. need to get a wheel.

 

[WolfRacer543]

Hand over hand.. ie how you used to get a VB commodore from lock to lock : )

What do you mean "used to", I still own a VB commodore Good old 186 red motor and 4 speed manual, awesome car. Everyone else rocks up in their Jazzes, Barinas or Tiidas, I'm proud to be rolling around in my now 30 year old commodore. The only thing I dont like about it is my Dad sold the now 40 year old HG premier which had a 308 V8 before I was old enough to buy it off him

 

[888 Tuning]

hehehe My first car was a 253 VB auto... followed by a 253 LX T'raana... red with black bonnet and 12 slotters

 

[Jay]

Haha my first car was a VC Commodore 202 (blue ) 4 speed which I converted to a 5 speed, had crow cam and made 88rwkw's, which wasn't bad for the 202. I also loved that car, got so much practice sliding around.

My second car (and still own it) was/is a 71 HG Monaro GTS 186S which I fitted a 307 Chev then a 350 Chev into. Glad I kept it as they're are worth some good money now

 

[Paulie]

hehehe My first car was a 253 VB auto... followed by a 253 LX T'raana... red with black bonnet and 12 slotters

And now you're for Ford? What happened man!?!?!

Go the VR Ute, with modifications on the way.

 

[888 Tuning]

Lol.. I thought I went over this with you before.. Im a holden man, but in creating a tuning garage I couldnt let there be Holden without Ford competition.. it would simply be un-Australian hence the birth of 888. I wasnt really a ford fan until I drove my friends 320kw XR6 Turbo...Impressived the hell out of me.

 

[Paulie]

Lol.. I thought I went over this with you before.. Im a holden man, but in creating a tuning garage I couldnt let there be Holden without Ford competition.. it would simply be un-Australian hence the birth of 888. I wasnt really a ford fan until I drove my friends 320kw XR6 Turbo...Impressived the hell out of me.

Hmm, I don't know, are you sure you're not completely blue (da ba dee da ba die)? We have a Holden Fan Club here you know.

 

[888 Tuning]

Hmm, I don't know, are you sure you're not completely blue (da ba dee da ba die)? We have a Holden Fan Club here you know.

hehe.. I'm loyal to no make.. after owning so many different makes of car (and bike) I've become rather indifferent to the whole Ford v Holden battle..
But if you lined the best from each up and said take your pick... it would be Ford... and a 6 at that !!

 

[Jay]

hehe.. I'm loyal to no make.. after owning so many different makes of car (and bike) I've become rather indifferent to the whole Ford v Holden battle..

Same, which is why I don't join any fan clubs (sorry Paulie). I started off driving Holdens in my young age but owned so many different makes, models and types of cars, I appeciate all makes.

 

[Paulie]

Don't get me wrong, I have huge respect for MOST makes of cars, and lots of attraction to many, but I do like Holden more every time.