Skyline Set Up (GTR S Tune)

[Canadian Speed]

Quick and easy to drive... Great on the ring, even without a wing for added downforce... As usual, the Skylines stability shines through... Fully done up, pushing 800+, this is a great car to tackle the ring with...

SR 7.0/10.0
RH 87/90
SB 5/6
SR 6/7
CA 3.0/1.2
TO 2/-3 (dispite the mis-information on this site and many others, this amount of toe angle will not destroy the tires as fast as you may be led to believe, and is critical in getting this car to drive properly... I get 1.75 laps on Nurb on S3s...)
ST 1/3

BR 3/5

LSD 10/10/5 10/20/5

VCD 20

Fin 3.595 AUTO 20

TCS 3

DF for other Skylines with wings (the S Tune can't have one) 30/33

Try this out... you won't be disapointed. It should also be noted that this set up will basicaly work on every Skyline... Gearing may change, as might the ride height, but other then that, this set up will work for you... I've now come to love the Skylines again... This will also work for the other NISMO variations of the Skyline as well... Hope this helps you guys out... Feel free to comment on this... Later

 

[-Cheezman-]

It looks like a good set-up. I'll be honest, I like this more than any of Ducks settings, they all seem to just understeer... and surprisingly, it's not just my driving!

Good work.

 

[zefff]

Looks stiff for the ring compared to my settings and it might be a bit unstable (like most of my settings ) but I will have a go.

Why the TCS though? I'd rather have a smaller turbo that produces 5-600 bhp with 0 driver aids myself.

 

[Canadian Speed]

Thanks guys...

The amount of turbo is only for top end... and the TCS keeps the wheels in check at the lower end of things... Any how, hope it helps you guys out. Later CS.

 

[zefff]

I just got around to testing these settings in direct comparison with Duck's and my own unfinished settings on a '02 GTR V-Spec II Nür @ Autumn Ring. The car had the same mods, tyres (R3's) and power (492bhp) for each run. All driver aids were disabled from each setting for the run and all had a maximum of 3 laps to achieve a best time. My car ran first, Duck's second and CS's third.

I dont know what Canadian Speed's aim was with these settings but I aim for fun, agility and control for momentum first and outright speed second in my own settings...and mine failed as it stands TBH . Duck's are for speed, ease of use and allround ability I'd imagine - going by the mission statement in his workshop thread.

Anyway here are my results out of a total of 6.0 (based on - Speed/Stability/Turn in/Agility/Fun):

Zasylum: -----------.7/.8/.6/.7/.6 ---Total:3.4 ---- Time: 1'14.928
Duck: ---------------.9/.9/.7/.7/.7 ---Total: 3.9 --- Time: 1'13.847
Canadian Speed: ---.6/.8/.7/.6/.6 ---Total: 3.3 --- Time: 1'15.472

As you can see although it pains me to say it, Duck's setting is superior, try it yourself and see. Its faster, more responsive and easier to control. CS's car was let down by lack of grip through bends and progressive understeer.

Mine was let down by poor initial turn in although it faired better on the larger diameter turns. I will rectify mine before publishing them me finks!

 

[Canadian Speed]

I'm sorry, but if you're going to test the car, please do so with the full power upgrades... I used a stage 5 turbo and intercooler... Hence the 800+Hp (this would also effect the gearing and the LSD settings). This car has little to no understeer and drives like a dream... I'm not sure you realy even tested this as is, due to the fact that anyone who tries this car out on this or any other site GTVault, GT4Tuninggarage and a few others, have realy liked it, mostly due to the fact that it doesn't understeer... I just find it funny that you're saying complete opposite about it... Also the fact that you knocked it even before trying it leads me to think perhaps you're being biased... Anyone else find this understeers a lot? If so, let me know... However, I don't think this is the case...

P.S. I notice a certain someone spends a lot of time in the best tunners forums...

 

[zefff]

Hahaha! If I was biased and knocked anything, I knocked my own settings too along with yours. TBH the only thing that stuck out to me was the ride height and Spring rates...but what do I know anyway?

Like you said these things are personal and maybe I would really like it on the S tune. I just didnt have one in my garage

Im sure Duck's setup wasnt made with a 492bhp car in mind either but I included his in the comparison to get a fairer, overall picture. I know you said fit a big turbo but I personally feel that too much power can mask merits as well as negative issues. Its not like the 800bhp would push it around corners anyway with the TCS on. I actually prefer my cars with less power. Its a personal preference.

I dont doubt that a lot of people really like your setting but you asked me so I did a quick test - 3 laps. Sorry but yours was slowest and I had least fun in yours even though your car was equal and even better than my own in some areas. Maybe Im just a crap driver.

edit to add: The reason I might appear to spend a lot of time somewhere in here is because I read this stuff while I'm working and I have 4 computers infront of me. 💡

Dont take it personal man. Im sure you know more about GT4 tuning than me! Why not go check one of my settings (in my sig) and pick that apart...I'd appreciate it, seriously! 👍

 

[Canadian Speed]

Sorry if it came across as snappy... I'm just getting off of night shifts and I tend to get a bit cranky... I also noticed that I never stated what power sources to use... Any how, thanks for your opinion... Later..

 

[Scaff]

You can't say this

Feel free to comment on this... Later

And then say this

Also the fact that you knocked it even before trying it leads me to think perhaps you're being biased...
P.S. I notice a certain someone spends a lot of time in the best tunners forums...

Without coming accross as a little biased yourself.

Fortunatly you then said this

Sorry if it came across as snappy... I'm just getting off of night shifts and I tend to get a bit cranky... I also noticed that I never stated what power sources to use... Any how, thanks for your opinion... Later..

Settings are a very personal area, as with real life driving a set-up that suits one person will not suit another. Duck and I are a very good example, Duck tends to favour a firmer more aggresive style of set-up, on the other hand I tend to prefer a slightly softer set-up with a degree of progresive understeer. Neither of us is wrong, we just favour a car set-up in a different way.

It's not particularly unknown to find situations like this, we post our settings and if they suit someones driving style then we have helped them out, if it doesn't suit them we just move on and hope that someone else can do the trick for them.

Its one of the reasons why I believe that BESTuners is liked by so many (but I am interested to know why you made the above comment), because we offer a very varied range of set-up and are more than open to any and all feedback.

You have to be prepared to take the good with the bad when you post up a set-up (and you need to provide full details of the cars mods as well), as another example I rarely comment on set-ups that use any driver aids as I don't personally feel they are needed and can mask the effects of tuning. No matter what the car I personally don't use them (and that included my TVR Speed 12 set-up).

Please don't take any of the above the wrong way, its just that posting a set-up and asking for feedback you should be ready to take the good with the bad and keep in mind that its never going to suit everyones driving style. The perfect set-up is a myth, no single set of values will ever work for every driver on every circuit. It doesn't work like that in the real world and it doesn;t work like that in GT4.

Regards

Scaff

BTW - I will give it a go myself if I can find the time, but please be aware I am very well known for what I consider to be constructive honestly when I test a set-up.

 

[Canadian Speed]

Gotcha! Hence why the appo my good man... Again, night shifts are killers for the mood... Later...

P.S. As a small note however, fi you're going to test it... test it as it's posted... fully done up.

 

[Scaff]

Gotcha! Hence why the appo my good man... Again, night shifts are killers for the mood... Later...

P.S. As a small note however, fi you're going to test it... test it as it's posted... fully done up.

No problem at all, hence the 'tongue in cheek' nature of my post and use of smillies. I know what silly shift patterns can do to the mind .

Don't worry if I get a chance to test it it will be as spec'd, it would be cool if you could post up a full list of the mods carried out on the car, just to be sure.

Regards

Scaff

 

[zefff]

Looking forward to your analysis Scaff.

CS, I am off to buy an S-tune now but a full spec list would really help me too. 👍

 

[Scaff]

OK I've had a chance to run these settings around Deep Forest (my mini 'ring testing area when I'm short of time). I ran with S3 tyres and no driver aids, I know you have TCS 3 in youre set-up but I never run with any driver aids.

On the plus side the car is quite well controlled for 800bhp on S3 tyres, yes it understeers if you get on the throttle to early or to quickly, but thats the power against the tyres. No way that can be tuned out.

A couple of areas did confuse me a little, the first is the rather abstract use of toe. I don't personally feel this is critical to the car at all, you're set-up has a stiff rear bias (big diff in springs and Antiroll bars with a rear brake bias) and the raer toe-in seems to be in place to keep this in check.

The second is the relationship between the gear ratios, which with auto 20 and a final of 3.595 are very long, around a track like Deep Forest you lose a lot of time simply from the gear ratios. If the aim was to maximise top speed it could have been managed to more effect by working on the top two gears and the final drive and not hurt the acceleration as much.

The LSD settings threw me totally, the diffs are wide open and as such while the car does benefit when cornering you can end up spinning a lot of the power away in the corners, which may explain the TCS setting. I found that an auto setting of around 14 and minimal work to the diffs still resulted in good control without the loss of power and any need for TCS.

The one area I did totally disagree with is in the Ride Height, if this car is supossed to run at the 'ring its far to low, It was grounding out at the front in places at Deep Forest and the 'rings going to hurt it a lot more in that regard.

Overall not a bad set-up, just not me cup of tea. Quite a bit that threw me as it seemed like set-up to resolve issues caused by other parts of the set-up (the toe settings and LSD/gearing), but these could just be quirks of the tuner themsleves.

A nice car, far to overpowered in this guise for my liking and as I say far to low form the 'ring.

My own settings were very close to CS's in some areas and very different in others. If anyone would like them just PM me, as I don't intend to put them in this thread as I do not want to start a 'who's setting is best' debate for the reasons I outlined in my last posts.

Regards


Scaff